Need help with "reallocated sector count"?

[Rod Speed]

Really?

Yep, that dinosaur approach is WAY past its useby date now with SMART.

Where are you working or what are you working for? "Professional"

Another incomprehensible question.

Sure, but how many vendors take care SMART status inside warranty?

Most modern hard drive diagnostics use the SMART data now.

That's another important point.

It's not on your hands to judge my English.

Corse it is.

Don't conclude unless you're sure, if you feel
that you're sure, query yourself more than once.

Get stuffed.

If you're not tended to be helpful, do not post please.

Go and **** yourself.

This group is not English-teaching group.

You chose to post in this group and if what you say isnt comprehendable, that
needs to be pointed out to you so you can try again to say what you meant.

My native language is not English.

Thats always been obvious.

If it's yours, then try to learn different language and judje yourself how good you are.

I didnt choose to post in a language other than my native language.

I

If you hadn't understood what i've told you, search google
"head contact" or "head crash" then see what it means.

And how was I ever supposed to know that you even intended the
use of the word head, when you didnt even include that word ?

And I know what those terms mean without using google, thanks.

Its very unlikely that you actually heard a head crash.

You would have heard something else instead.

That's good news, thanks at least for hardware ECC and others.

Implict answer of you. Bad English for me ? :-( I don't think so.

That first sentence is very bad english, incomprehensible.

OK, close (do not append) the topic.

You get no say on what I post.

It's enough i think.

Your problem.

Still to many confusions.

Only if you cant comprehend the basics.

 

[kimiraikkonen]

Yep, that dinosaur approach is WAY past its useby date now with SMART.


Another incomprehensible question.

Just wondered what your job is. Nothing else (professional).

Most modern hard drive diagnostics use the SMART data now.


Corse it is.

Your opinion #1. Quizzes and formal documents would conclude better
than you with no doubt.

Get stuffed.


Go and **** yourself.

You'd better do it for yourself. I do not need.

You chose to post in this group and if what you say isnt comprehendable, that
needs to be pointed out to you so you can try again to say what you meant.

Yes, i chose, had very helpful posts, not only for group, there are
some others.I'm shy on saying the same things in order to avoid
message mess. I have a sensitive approach.

Thats always been obvious.

It's your opinion agian #2. I don't take care.

I didnt choose to post in a language other than my native language.

Try it to see how good you are.

And how was I ever supposed to know that you even intended the
use of the word head, when you didnt even include that word ?

And I know what those terms mean without using google, thanks.

Its very unlikely that you actually heard a head crash.

Not likely, exactly. Maybe drive retries to spin. The sound comes
definelty from drive, however i got the answer, again as long as full
physical integrity test is passed, no need to worry.

Anyway, except reallocated sectors count value, "spin/retry count" is
sometimes highlighted as in dangerous position by Smart software like
Hardware ECC recovered

You would have heard something else instead.

They aren't your ears, beleive me. Tested with several methods.
No, contact, but not always, rarely.

That first sentence is very bad english, incomprehensible.

Again...Your opinion #3. No need to say anymore.

You get no say on what I post.

I know, if it makes you feel better post for trash.

Your problem.

Only if you cant comprehend the basics.

I always try to do my best as long as the enviroment is enough clear
to understand.
Sometimes groups and post are helpful like previous posters, sometimes
reference website articles are more.
Depends.

 

[Rod Speed]

Just wondered what your job is. Nothing else (professional).

Been doing this stuff likely since before you were born.

Your opinion #1.

It isnt opinion, its fact. That anyone can see for themselves.

Quizzes and formal documents would conclude better than you with no doubt.

None of those are needed to realise that you have a problem with your english.

You'd better do it for yourself. I do not need.

Thats a colloquial way of saying that you dont get to tell anyone about how they can post, ever.

Yes, i chose, had very helpful posts, not only for group, there
are some others. I'm shy on saying the same things in order
to avoid message mess. I have a sensitive approach.

It's your opinion agian #2.

Nope, another fact.

I don't take care.

You should have said "I don't care" there.

And you clearly do care too.

Try it to see how good you are.

Dont need to. I decided long ago that anyone with a clue posts in english.

Because that is by far the most commonly used language in usenet.

Not likely, exactly. Maybe drive retries to spin. The sound comes
definelty from drive, however i got the answer, again as long as
full physical integrity test is passed, no need to worry.

That answer is just plain wrong.

Anyway, except reallocated sectors count value, "spin/retry count"
is sometimes highlighted as in dangerous position by Smart
software like Hardware ECC recovered

Yes, but Hardware ECC recovered isnt necessarily
a problem with some manufacturer's drives.

They aren't your ears, beleive me.

No thanks, it wouldnt have been a head crash.

Tested with several methods. No, contact, but not always, rarely.

What you actually heard was the drive recalibrating.

Again...Your opinion #3.

Nope, fact, again.

No need to say anymore.

Fraid so. You wont find anyone except a troll that would
say that that particular sentence is comprehensible english.

I know, if it makes you feel better post for trash.

Another with very bad english.

I always try to do my best as long as the enviroment is enough clear
to understand. Sometimes groups and post are helpful like previous
posters, sometimes reference website articles are more.
Depends.

No evidence that you have actually understood any of the basics, from any source.

 

[kimiraikkonen]

Been doing this stuff likely since before you were born.
Possible.


It isnt opinion, its fact. That anyone can see for themselves.

Your fact #1

None of those are needed to realise that you have a problem with your english.

Your conclusion.

Thats a colloquial way of saying that you dont get to tell anyone about how they can post, ever.

You shouldn't say it before, thus i had to answer.

Nope, another fact.

Your fact #2

You should have said "I don't care" there.

Sorry, mistyped.

And you clearly do care too.

You're just supposing it.

Dont need to. I decided long ago that anyone with a clue posts in english.

Because that is by far the most commonly used language in usenet.

It was known before you declared it.

That answer is just plain wrong.


Yes, but Hardware ECC recovered isnt necessarily
a problem with some manufacturer's drives.

Ok for this.

No thanks, it wouldnt have been a head crash.


What you actually heard was the drive recalibrating.

Possible, but you should have heard before you decide early.

Nope, fact, again.

Your fact #3

Fraid so. You wont find anyone except a troll that would
say that that particular sentence is comprehensible english.

Your fact #4

Another with very bad english.

Your fact #4

No evidence that you have actually understood any of the basics, from any source.

Or couldn't explain enough clear to make you understand that basis.

Your facts are yours.

BTW, sorry for your fame:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp...read/thread/c4ea774e304aef58/ad32331015efb66a

Bye

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rita_=C4_Berkowitz?=]

BTW, sorry for your fame:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp...read/thread/c4ea774e304aef58/ad32331015efb66a

Bye

LOL! I see you finally figured out what Rod (Corncob) Speed really is all
about.





Rita

 

[chrisv]

LOL! I see you finally figured out what Rod (Corncob) Speed really is all
about.

Says the "Rita" troll, fresh from making a complete jackass of
"herself" in the video group.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Most of the computer users, including professionals, don't look at or
take care SMART's "reallocated sectors count" value, they usually take
care full / surface scans against data loss unless SMART reaches to a
critical level with alerting.

Sounds pretty foolish to me. For example the smartd SMART monitor
does report any changes in pre-fail attributes per default, so at
least Linux users will typically do better, if they do SMART
monitoring.

I have e-mailed Seagate to ask about the topic title, they haven't
replied with a satisfactory answer so far. Maybe they know or not. Who
knows?

Even sometimes, i hear contact noise, i detailed it them, they said:
if the drive passes long test, i shouldn't worry. As i'm not an
amateur, i usually watch SMART values to see what goes on.

My other SMART values are those (latest):

Are they any value that should make me concerned? (no pending or
uncorrectable sectors)

Looks all fine to me, ecept for the reallocation count.

Arno

Attribute Name Threshold Value
Worst Raw value
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 (01) Raw Read Error Rate 34 63
53 2778681
3 (03) Spin Up Time 0
70 70 0
4 (04) Start/Stop Count 20
100 100 692
5 (05) Reallocated Sectors Count 36 98
98 98
7 (07) Seek Error Rate 30
81 60 158998323
9 (09) Power-On Hours 0
93 93 6591
10 (0A) Spin Retry Count 97 100
100 0
12 (0C) Device Power Cycle Count 20 98
98 2602
194 (C2) Temperature 0
21 51 21
195 (C3) Hardware ECC recovered 0 61
53 2778681
197 (C5) Current Pending Sector Count 0 100
100 0
198 (C6) Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100
100 0
199 (C7) UltraDMA CRC Error Count 0 200
200 0
200 (C8) Write Error Rate (Multi Zone Error Rate) 0 100
253 0
202 (CA) Data Address Mark Errors 0 100
253 0

 

[Rod Speed]

Certain.

Your fact #1

Your conclusion.

One which everyone else reaches too.

You shouldn't say it before,

You get no say what so ever what anyone else should say, ever.

thus i had to answer.

No you didnt.

Your fact #2

Sorry, mistyped.

That isnt a mistype.

You're just supposing it.

Nope, its obvious to everyone that you do care.

It was known before you declared it.

Duh. I only said that because of your stupid line about me posting in any other language.

You should have chosen your parents more carefully.

Ok for this.

Possible, but you should have heard before you decide early.

Nope, if you were actually getting head crashes, the
SMART report would be nothing like what you are getting.

Your fact #3

Your fact #4

Your fact #4

Cant even count to 5.

Or couldn't explain enough clear to make you understand that basis.

I understood the basics since before you were born thanks.

Your facts are yours.

Nope, they're obvious to anyone with a clue.

BTW, sorry for your fame:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp...read/thread/c4ea774e304aef58/ad32331015efb66a

You're lying now.

Thats just another silly little child that got done like a ****ing dinner, just like you did, child.

Bye

Good riddance.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Most of the computer users, including professionals, don't look at or
take care SMART's "reallocated sectors count" value, they usually take
care full / surface scans against data loss unless SMART reaches to a
critical level with alerting.

I have e-mailed Seagate to ask about the topic title, they haven't
replied with a satisfactory answer so far. Maybe they know or not. Who
knows?

Even sometimes, i hear contact noise, i detailed it them, they said:
if the drive passes long test, i shouldn't worry. As i'm not an
amateur, i usually watch SMART values to see what goes on.

My other SMART values are those (latest):

Are they any value that should make me concerned? (no pending or
uncorrectable sectors)

Attribute Name Threshold Value
Worst Raw value
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 (01) Raw Read Error Rate 34 63
53 2778681
3 (03) Spin Up Time 0
70 70 0
4 (04) Start/Stop Count 20
100 100 692
5 (05) Reallocated Sectors Count 36 98
98 98
7 (07) Seek Error Rate 30
81 60 158998323
9 (09) Power-On Hours 0
93 93 6591
10 (0A) Spin Retry Count 97 100
100 0
12 (0C) Device Power Cycle Count 20 98
98 2602
194 (C2) Temperature 0
21 51 21
195 (C3) Hardware ECC recovered 0 61
53 2778681
197 (C5) Current Pending Sector Count 0 100
100 0
198 (C6) Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100
100 0
199 (C7) UltraDMA CRC Error Count 0 200
200 0
200 (C8) Write Error Rate (Multi Zone Error Rate) 0 100
253 0
202 (CA) Data Address Mark Errors 0 100
253 0

Sorry, if the lines slide out of the page, i use Google to access
newsgroups, don't know how you get here :-(

Thanks.

From what I've seen, good Seagate drives normally have large numbers
for Raw Read Error Rate, Seek Error Rate, and Hardware ECC Recovered.
In any case I don't believe the numbers necessarily reflect errors.

For example, based on my testing, Seagate's "Seek Error Rate" stat
appears to be a count rather than a rate, and it appears to count
seeks rather than seek errors.

See this old thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp...a561a397493c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#14f4a561a397493c

Here are some examples of SmartUDM reports.

Seagate 120GB HD:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/120GB.RPT

Fujitsu 6GB HD:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/6GB.RPT

Seagate 13GB HD (with 119 reallocated sectors):
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SmartUDM/13GB.RPT

- Franc Zabkar

 

[John Turco]

kimiraikkonen wrote:

Sorry, if the lines slide out of the page, i use Google to access
newsgroups, don't know how you get here :-(

Thanks.

Hello,

A free NNTP server (aioe.cjb.net) allows me to both read, and to
post to, various Usenet (non-binary) newsgroups.

Please, go here, for further information:

Aioe.org Home Page <http://www.aioe.org>

Good luck!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>