"kony" <
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> They've been doing this for over a decade, it's a bit
late
> to be noticing it now.
I've noticed it before, just luckily don't encounter it often.
> If you'd never even seen how HP /etc cases are always a
> little proprietary, I contend that you have insufficient
> experience to know one way or the other how long it will
> take.
You don't remember our previous conversations?
> It's even possible the other case's wiring isn't
> compatible with the HP motherboard, meaning at least
you'd
> have to fiddle with wire positions or at worst
> solder/crimp/etc together and adapter
board/cable/whatever.
I'll use the HP power supply so shouldn't have any problems
with proprietry
ATX power connectors. That was a dell problem anyway wasn't
it?
> HP has been getting better at that though, particularly
when
> they used Asus boards... that was one of the best things
> about HP (over Compaq).
The model after the one I've got did seam a little better, for
example you
could break off the cd doors quite cleanly with only a little
bit of trouble
and the end result was quite neat.
> That's just it, _I_ do know.
> They don't "customize" implementations", it's a chip,
it's
> features are hardwired,
Have you ever worked with these chips, as in designing your
own boards to
use them? They are fairly flexible and allow the mobo
manufacturer to
enable/disable certain features. Some of them have inbuilt
flash so
manufacturers can customise some of the features of the chip.
> You have no idea because you've never tried it. I've
done
> it several times. It doesn't "always" work because some
> drive buttons are too far away, or it could be a problem
if
> you don't have plastic compatible with superglue. PVC
> cement works too, but it can be a risk to thinner case
> parts.
I've done enough dodgy fixes in my life to recognise and avoid
one. A new
case is a nice fix which should all bolt together. I must say
I really pity
your customers when they have to fix your glued together
computers.
> Just use a different drive. It's not worth the hassle
> really, look at it once and either fix it or move on.
Or a different case. I've tracked down a second hand case off
a friend which
should work nicely.
> You've alreay spent several minutes posting here, and
will
> spend (by your optimistic estimate) 30 minutes to
actually
> move it. That's multiple times as long.
By the time I make wood button for the floppy drive, find some
plastic and
cut and glue it, hack into the case with a drill and a hacksaw
and find that
everything didn't really work that well, I'll have spend a
*lot* longer than
30 minutes and got a *lot* worse job. Not to mention I'll have
a PC with a
newer and better looking case.
> True, but then again, it still goes against the idea of
not
> enough time.
That's true, I could spend all weekend on it if I wanted to,
but I don't
want to.
> Maybe, but then 2/3rd of those who bought a clone would
end
> up with a POS system.
That's true, although the big names put out some pretty bad
systems too.
Just like to say that the principals to repair a HP system are
similar to other computers.I don't understand a tech who
panics just because it is a proprietry machine even if it is a
Dell for that matter.
Piece of trivia is that it is in fact many Dell systems that
have their wiring for the power supply to the motherboard
different to regular ATX systems.
Just like to mention there is a simple remedy to enable the
use of an ATX power supply anyway,( Swap either two or four
wires around) with the Dell.
Also like to mention that that if you remove the face plate of
a generic floppy drive you will find it much easier to install
into one of the smart looking HP cases.
later
