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MSFT is staying the course despite all clinical signs on the ground just as
its native country is doing so with 3 billion spent a week and a total
fiasco beyond all imagined proportions. Both are trying to do an incredible
selling job of black as white.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39283752,00.htm

For one arena we have Woodward's book and the contorted posturing to deny
the trainwreck in the war to preserve oil addiction in the United States

http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

Redmond is conducting a parallel state of denial--and by the way the Upgrade
Advisor is patently wrong in many many hardware assessment situations--just
flat out wrong in saying drivers will not work and that hardware will not
run Vista superbly and exremely fast and faster on the same box than XP.

Maybe Condi Rice now caught in scores of lies and totally out of her depth
should work with Sinofsky and Brad Goldberg--they'd be comfortable in
selling delusions.

News > Software > Windows Tuesday 3rd October 2006





Microsoft predicts Vista stampede


Joris Evers
CNET News.com
October 02, 2006, 08:50 BST


Tell us your opinion

Software giant claims businesses will rush to upgrade to Vista,
but analysts paint a different picture





Microsoft is predicting that Windows Vista will be adopted by
companies twice as fast as its predecessor, Windows XP.


Twelve months after the release of Vista, Microsoft expects that
usage share of the oft-delayed operating system in businesses will be double
that of XP a year after it shipped, said Brad Goldberg, general manager for
Windows product management at the software maker.


"Vista is built for businesses," Goldberg said. "We're giving
businesses the tools they need to get out of the gate faster with Vista...
Our goal is to have twice as fast deployment of Vista than for any other
operating system."


Microsoft declined to give its own figures on Windows XP's usage
percentages, and instead referred to research by IDC. According to the
analyst company, XP was installed on about 10 percent of enterprise PCs
after a year. That would put the goal for Vista at 20 percent.


"For them to do 20 percent in the first 12 months of
availability is almost impossible," said Al Gillen, an analyst at IDC. "They
have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven by
corporate adoption and deployment cycles, more so than by whether Microsoft
has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster."


IDC expects a healthy adoption of Vista, Gillen said. "But we're
not expecting it to be fundamentally different from previous releases of
Windows," he said. IDC's projections suggest that 11 percent of business PCs
that run Windows will be running Vista at the end of next year, Gillen said.


Rival analyst company Gartner expects the installed base of
Vista in large enterprises to be about 10 percent a year and a half after it
ships. "We're not hearing companies say they're in a rush to get their users
to Vista," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver.


Vista, the first major upgrade to Windows since XP shipped in
late 2001, is slated to become available to businesses in November. Broad
availability is scheduled for January.


Help and hindrance
Microsoft has said that corporate adoption of Windows XP was
slower than it would have liked.


XP was slow to gain traction among enterprise customers, in part
because it came on the heels of Windows 2000, Goldberg said. Additionally,
Microsoft was late with tools to support its adoption. For example, a kit to
test the compatibility of applications with XP was released nine months
after the operating system, and documented deployment guidance took two
years, he said.


With Vista, those tools, as well as people trained to help
businesses move to the Windows update, will be available as soon as it ships
or shortly thereafter, Goldberg said.


Furthermore, Vista should make it easier and cheaper for
organisations to manage PCs that run the new operating system, Goldberg
said. "Vista has business customers at the centre of everything we've done,"
he said. "In some cases, it will be cheaper for an organisation to upgrade
to Vista than to keep their current configuration."


Microsoft has addressed many of the key adoption blockers, but
that alone isn't enough, Silver said. A lot will hinge on the availability
of third-party software that supports the update. "That's the biggest
inhibitor to deploying a lot of Vista very soon after it ships," he said.


One Microsoft customer plans to upgrade to Vista at a pace even
quicker than its maker predicts — but not for the sake of getting a new
operating system. Instead, the operating system will come in as part of its
upgrade cycle for computers.


"When we replace our PCs, they will run Vista, and we will
replace a third of our PCs over the next year," said Thomas Smith, the
manager of client services at a large Houston company.


Smith, who is responsible for about 9,000 PCs, doesn't buy
Microsoft's argument that Vista is cheaper to run.


"It takes more hardware, the learning curve is costly, the help
desk calls are going to escalate, we'll have to manage both XP and Vista, I
think you're actually going to increase cost, at least in the short term,"
he said.



Time will tell. Stay the course with the actual Beta 1 that is going to RTM
in 21 days. In case after case, MSFT Vista team members have been directly
emailed major bugs and they pretend ***not to see them.

They won't get fixed come Sp1 either. It must be wonderful to be able to
sustain such arrogance while Rome burns.

CH
 
Chad Harris said:
MSFT is staying the course despite all clinical signs on the ground just
as its native country is doing so with 3 billion spent a week and a total
fiasco beyond all imagined proportions. Both are trying to do an
incredible selling job of black as white.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39283752,00.htm

For one arena we have Woodward's book and the contorted posturing to deny
the trainwreck in the war to preserve oil addiction in the United States

http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

Redmond is conducting a parallel state of denial--and by the way the
Upgrade Advisor is patently wrong in many many hardware assessment
situations--just flat out wrong in saying drivers will not work and that
hardware will not run Vista superbly and exremely fast and faster on the
same box than XP.

Maybe Condi Rice now caught in scores of lies and totally out of her depth
should work with Sinofsky and Brad Goldberg--they'd be comfortable in
selling delusions.

News > Software > Windows Tuesday 3rd October 2006





Microsoft predicts Vista stampede


Joris Evers
CNET News.com
October 02, 2006, 08:50 BST


Tell us your opinion

Software giant claims businesses will rush to upgrade to Vista,
but analysts paint a different picture





Microsoft is predicting that Windows Vista will be adopted by
companies twice as fast as its predecessor, Windows XP.


Twelve months after the release of Vista, Microsoft expects
that usage share of the oft-delayed operating system in businesses will be
double that of XP a year after it shipped, said Brad Goldberg, general
manager for Windows product management at the software maker.


"Vista is built for businesses," Goldberg said. "We're giving
businesses the tools they need to get out of the gate faster with Vista...
Our goal is to have twice as fast deployment of Vista than for any other
operating system."


Microsoft declined to give its own figures on Windows XP's
usage percentages, and instead referred to research by IDC. According to
the analyst company, XP was installed on about 10 percent of enterprise
PCs after a year. That would put the goal for Vista at 20 percent.


"For them to do 20 percent in the first 12 months of
availability is almost impossible," said Al Gillen, an analyst at IDC.
"They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
by corporate adoption and deployment cycles, more so than by whether
Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster."


IDC expects a healthy adoption of Vista, Gillen said. "But
we're not expecting it to be fundamentally different from previous
releases of Windows," he said. IDC's projections suggest that 11 percent
of business PCs that run Windows will be running Vista at the end of next
year, Gillen said.


Rival analyst company Gartner expects the installed base of
Vista in large enterprises to be about 10 percent a year and a half after
it ships. "We're not hearing companies say they're in a rush to get their
users to Vista," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver.


Vista, the first major upgrade to Windows since XP shipped in
late 2001, is slated to become available to businesses in November. Broad
availability is scheduled for January.


Help and hindrance
Microsoft has said that corporate adoption of Windows XP was
slower than it would have liked.


XP was slow to gain traction among enterprise customers, in
part because it came on the heels of Windows 2000, Goldberg said.
Additionally, Microsoft was late with tools to support its adoption. For
example, a kit to test the compatibility of applications with XP was
released nine months after the operating system, and documented deployment
guidance took two years, he said.


With Vista, those tools, as well as people trained to help
businesses move to the Windows update, will be available as soon as it
ships or shortly thereafter, Goldberg said.


Furthermore, Vista should make it easier and cheaper for
organisations to manage PCs that run the new operating system, Goldberg
said. "Vista has business customers at the centre of everything we've
done," he said. "In some cases, it will be cheaper for an organisation to
upgrade to Vista than to keep their current configuration."


Microsoft has addressed many of the key adoption blockers, but
that alone isn't enough, Silver said. A lot will hinge on the availability
of third-party software that supports the update. "That's the biggest
inhibitor to deploying a lot of Vista very soon after it ships," he said.


One Microsoft customer plans to upgrade to Vista at a pace even
quicker than its maker predicts - but not for the sake of getting a new
operating system. Instead, the operating system will come in as part of
its upgrade cycle for computers.


"When we replace our PCs, they will run Vista, and we will
replace a third of our PCs over the next year," said Thomas Smith, the
manager of client services at a large Houston company.


Smith, who is responsible for about 9,000 PCs, doesn't buy
Microsoft's argument that Vista is cheaper to run.


"It takes more hardware, the learning curve is costly, the help
desk calls are going to escalate, we'll have to manage both XP and Vista,
I think you're actually going to increase cost, at least in the short
term," he said.



Time will tell. Stay the course with the actual Beta 1 that is going to
RTM in 21 days. In case after case, MSFT Vista team members have been
directly emailed major bugs and they pretend ***not to see them.

They won't get fixed come Sp1 either. It must be wonderful to be able to
sustain such arrogance while Rome burns.

CH

What a load of crap.
 
I agree with you on this Rock and it seems to be that Microsoft is
trying hard to do what is right in the case of Vista. I have been
continually reporting issues with Vista to Microsoft and have been on
the telephone several times with talks about Vista.
 
:

In case after case, MSFT Vista team members have been directly
emailed major bugs and they pretend ***not to see them.

I hope so! I prefer that they spend their time fixing bugs that were
submitted via the authorized process instead of being distracted with direct
e-mail.

For those that choose to give Paul Thurrott credibility, he reports that
Vista had 2479 bugs on 9/22, over 1400 bugs at this time, and will have 500
or fewer before RTM (see link below). If true, the developers *are* hard at
work and on track.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windows...rticleID/93715/windowspaulthurrott_93715.html
 
They have received a number of problems with a quintissential tin ear
pretending they didn't hear about them as a matter of fact with about 19
days to go to RTM and a hastily thrown out RC2 in 3.

They continue to block access to their "public customers" and so-called
CPPers to any meaningful bug information on Connect--that's how concerned
with feedback they are.

And Dan you have had conversations on precisely what that you have ID'd and
the fixes have been precisely what. The devil is in the details.

Reading your syncophantic accolade gives no clue as to what you got fixed,
modded or innovated at Redmond as to 22 or so days and counting RTM Vista.

I hear "doing the right thing" a lot with the stay the course lemmings as to
Iraq with disastrous results.

CH
 
Articulate as it was elegant Rock. But I have lots of MVP company mah man
and lots of analysis to support me--and I linked many of them previously.
Not just as to unrealistic sales projections of the slide I'm looking
at--but feature by feature. It's not my job to sell Vista. I'm more
interested in what's shipping.

Needs 6 more months at least just to CPR the broken features left not to
mention the ones on the cutting room floor--ain't gonna get it.

Yo Rock crank up that Device Manager and tell me why I can trash several of
your drivers and it will still say they are A-okay? Cause Dev Manager
birthed with the Windows '95 Launch on August 25, 1995. So would it have
been rushing any Windoz teams to fix Device Manager by 10/3/06? Jist
wondrin?

And the fact that Office 2007 on Vista and on XP sometimes has to
re-mini-install --that's going to impress a lot of enterpise and small
businesses fer sure?

Or perhaps you meant how splendidly organized the Iraq affair is with
Bremmer now all over TV saying that he was stupid for doing what he did but
Rummy and Condi made him?

Or the now serial clips of Condi on a split screen calling her self a she
said she said liar?

It's only 3000 dead Iraquis per month and 3 billion dollars a week and how
about that graph of deaths by the insurgency growing exponentially from
2002-2006 or is that graft by Kellogg-Brown-Root?

Oil Graft Fuels the Insurgency, Iraq and U.S. Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/i...tml?ex=1296795600&en=0b5e95f746f96fa6&ei=5088

State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

CH

A big shoutout for Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell who have no skin
in the game who are dynamically and insightfully pushing "stay the course"
with other peoples' children--you non-sistahs is doin' Seattle proud.
 
PNutts lol--

Pretty nebulous.

The exact same refers to authorized bug processes. I know all of them as
well if not better than you do TBT or non-TBT--and I'm willing to bet I've
been a part of as many.

And they were so interested in their public program that they hid the chats,
the Live Meetings, bug access on Connnect--and I can show you scores of TBT
messages where they are frustrated and ticked off that their bug reports
were ignored or closed with no resolution as by design when things are
shipping broken.

Let me know how fast you see Device Manager fixed--cause it ain't gonna
happen this side of Blackcomb/Vienna if then according to the device and
driver related teams.

Device Manager is that little utility that purports to tell you a driver is
working but doesn't. Check it out some day--devmgmt.msc in your run
box>enter.

Check the chat on that several months ago since you're so familiar with the
process.

No one said developers including scores of outsiders debugging Vista aren't
hard at work--but a lot of serious Windows authors say they aren't on track
and what's shipping is horrendous compared to what it could have been and
ought to be.

CH
 
If you have something relevant to say, keep it reasonably on topic.
If you can not stay on topic, your true motive is apparent..

There is no reason to bring politics to this newsgroup.
The comparison is a feeble attempt to interject your politics into this non
political newsgroup.

The drivers you refer, are they designed specifically for Windows XP?
If not, that is the reason, use at your own risk and the user can blame no
one but himself if there are issues.

Your intermittent use of quotes makes it difficult to know what you wrote
and what are quotes from others.
Can we ASSUME anything not in quotes is your own rants?
That would be the general understanding if you wrote correctly.

Get rid of the irrelevant politics and post back or continue on your path to
be marked a troll with off topic posts.
 
Tell it to somebody who cares.


Chad Harris said:
MSFT is staying the course despite all clinical signs on the ground just
as its native country is doing so with 3 billion spent a week and a total
fiasco beyond all imagined proportions. Both are trying to do an
incredible selling job of black as white.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39283752,00.htm

For one arena we have Woodward's book and the contorted posturing to deny
the trainwreck in the war to preserve oil addiction in the United States

http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

Redmond is conducting a parallel state of denial--and by the way the
Upgrade Advisor is patently wrong in many many hardware assessment
situations--just flat out wrong in saying drivers will not work and that
hardware will not run Vista superbly and exremely fast and faster on the
same box than XP.

Maybe Condi Rice now caught in scores of lies and totally out of her depth
should work with Sinofsky and Brad Goldberg--they'd be comfortable in
selling delusions.

News > Software > Windows Tuesday 3rd October 2006





Microsoft predicts Vista stampede


Joris Evers
CNET News.com
October 02, 2006, 08:50 BST


Tell us your opinion

Software giant claims businesses will rush to upgrade to Vista,
but analysts paint a different picture





Microsoft is predicting that Windows Vista will be adopted by
companies twice as fast as its predecessor, Windows XP.


Twelve months after the release of Vista, Microsoft expects
that usage share of the oft-delayed operating system in businesses will be
double that of XP a year after it shipped, said Brad Goldberg, general
manager for Windows product management at the software maker.


"Vista is built for businesses," Goldberg said. "We're giving
businesses the tools they need to get out of the gate faster with Vista...
Our goal is to have twice as fast deployment of Vista than for any other
operating system."


Microsoft declined to give its own figures on Windows XP's
usage percentages, and instead referred to research by IDC. According to
the analyst company, XP was installed on about 10 percent of enterprise
PCs after a year. That would put the goal for Vista at 20 percent.


"For them to do 20 percent in the first 12 months of
availability is almost impossible," said Al Gillen, an analyst at IDC.
"They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
by corporate adoption and deployment cycles, more so than by whether
Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster."


IDC expects a healthy adoption of Vista, Gillen said. "But
we're not expecting it to be fundamentally different from previous
releases of Windows," he said. IDC's projections suggest that 11 percent
of business PCs that run Windows will be running Vista at the end of next
year, Gillen said.


Rival analyst company Gartner expects the installed base of
Vista in large enterprises to be about 10 percent a year and a half after
it ships. "We're not hearing companies say they're in a rush to get their
users to Vista," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver.


Vista, the first major upgrade to Windows since XP shipped in
late 2001, is slated to become available to businesses in November. Broad
availability is scheduled for January.


Help and hindrance
Microsoft has said that corporate adoption of Windows XP was
slower than it would have liked.


XP was slow to gain traction among enterprise customers, in
part because it came on the heels of Windows 2000, Goldberg said.
Additionally, Microsoft was late with tools to support its adoption. For
example, a kit to test the compatibility of applications with XP was
released nine months after the operating system, and documented deployment
guidance took two years, he said.


With Vista, those tools, as well as people trained to help
businesses move to the Windows update, will be available as soon as it
ships or shortly thereafter, Goldberg said.


Furthermore, Vista should make it easier and cheaper for
organisations to manage PCs that run the new operating system, Goldberg
said. "Vista has business customers at the centre of everything we've
done," he said. "In some cases, it will be cheaper for an organisation to
upgrade to Vista than to keep their current configuration."


Microsoft has addressed many of the key adoption blockers, but
that alone isn't enough, Silver said. A lot will hinge on the availability
of third-party software that supports the update. "That's the biggest
inhibitor to deploying a lot of Vista very soon after it ships," he said.


One Microsoft customer plans to upgrade to Vista at a pace even
quicker than its maker predicts - but not for the sake of getting a new
operating system. Instead, the operating system will come in as part of
its upgrade cycle for computers.


"When we replace our PCs, they will run Vista, and we will
replace a third of our PCs over the next year," said Thomas Smith, the
manager of client services at a large Houston company.


Smith, who is responsible for about 9,000 PCs, doesn't buy
Microsoft's argument that Vista is cheaper to run.


"It takes more hardware, the learning curve is costly, the help
desk calls are going to escalate, we'll have to manage both XP and Vista,
I think you're actually going to increase cost, at least in the short
term," he said.



Time will tell. Stay the course with the actual Beta 1 that is going to
RTM in 21 days. In case after case, MSFT Vista team members have been
directly emailed major bugs and they pretend ***not to see them.

They won't get fixed come Sp1 either. It must be wonderful to be able to
sustain such arrogance while Rome burns.

CH
 
Agreed. There are plenty of political groups and blogs to rant about
whichever side of the fence you prefer. This ain't one of them.
 
The analogies are relevant and that's why they come in. It must pain an
AFB retired to see the waste and complete lies in Iraq which are killing
Canadians as well.

Make no mistake this is not confined to drivers that are not XP approved and
written and if an MVP is realizing for the first time that Device Manager
has been broken since birth, than I'm delighted to educate you Jupiter.

The Device/Driver personnel including Richard Dominguez [MSFT] on the
intutivively named Core Storage/Audio/Biometrics team agreed with me this
exists and that they can't fix it. Look it up on the Beta Chats 2006. MSFT
is not bright enough to post the chats in one convenient place where they
can be retrieved.

If I were you I'd come off the idea that you can mark anyone as anything
because you believe it. Right now I'm helping easily as much as you are in
this group and many others. The MVP has given you delusions of granduer.
Many people sign with quotes expressing their opiions, and what I do is no
different.

"Stay the course and remain in denial over device manager and many other
broken components of Vista. A lot of the MVPs are syncophants. They like
that trip to Redmond--the illusion that they are the chosen intelligentsia
with the only and all the answers, and that MSFT can do no wrong. But ranks
have sure been broken on the crappy job done thus far with Vista and the
dropping of standards to ship crap in a box soon.

MSKB work arounds are no substitute for fixing things prior to RTM and there
are a litinany of things they can't fix or need more competent personnel to
get the job done.

CH
 
Obviously. It's apathetic individuals like you that get a crap Vista and
endless killing. Have you found anyone on the planet that takes your
orders, cause it ain't here. Stay the course. LOL

State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

July 31, 2006 - 4:44 pm Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
by Ed Bott Author of Microsoft Press Windows Vista Inside Out (900 thousand
snd counting pre-sold to date
due January or if the Vista team coordinators get a brain that has common
sense in any of its lobes, perhaps in Spring 2007))
Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1414

http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-6100866.html

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/

http://www.longhornblogs.com/

http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mclaws-is-right-on-windows-vista-ship-date/

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/08/01/windows-vista-just-aint-gonna-be-ready/

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/28/65-more-windows-vista-mistakes/

Perillo's Critique After Allchin Interview and Request from Allchin
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/24/windows-vista-feedback/

Robert [McLaws] and Robert[Scoble] Duh!
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/robert-and-robert-duh/

McLaws is Right on Windows Ship Date
July 31, 2006
Robert Scoble MSFT's Most Well Known Blogger on the Planet
VB MVP
MSDN Radio 9 Film Maker


Windows Vista Lipstick on a Pig
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/07/18/windows-vista-lipstick-on-a-pig/

Groundswell of MSFT MVPs and Major Book Authors --Yo Wakeup Redmond Campus
Vista Teams--Take the several months you need to get this turkey out of
intensive care
or it will die.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Orchant/?p=173

Vista Needs More Time: The Entry I Didn't Want To Write
http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/07/31/Windows_Vista_Needs_a_Beta_3.aspx


CH
 
I'm hardly the Long Ranger. Many MVPs have analyzed Broken Vista. Continue
to be a MSFT syncophant and wear the Blinders if that's what you have to do
to get the MVP and the once a year gifts and the illuson you're steering the
course:

July 31, 2006 - 4:44 pm Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
by Ed Bott Author of Microsoft Press Windows Vista Inside Out (900 thousand
snd counting pre-sold to date

due January or if the Vista team coordinators get a brain that has common
sense in any of its lobes, perhaps in Spring 2007))
Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1414

http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-6100866.html

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/

http://www.longhornblogs.com/

http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mclaws-is-right-on-windows-vista-ship-date/

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/08/01/windows-vista-just-aint-gonna-be-ready/

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/28/65-more-windows-vista-mistakes/

Perillo's Critique After Allchin Interview and Request from Allchin
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/24/windows-vista-feedback/

Robert [McLaws] and Robert[Scoble] Duh!
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/robert-and-robert-duh/

McLaws is Right on Windows Ship Date
July 31, 2006
Robert Scoble MSFT's Most Well Known Blogger on the Planet
VB MVP
MSDN Radio 9 Film Maker


Windows Vista Lipstick on a Pig
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/07/18/windows-vista-lipstick-on-a-pig/

Groundswell of MSFT MVPs and Major Book Authors --Yo Wakeup Redmond Campus
Vista Teams--Take the several months you need to get this turkey out of
intensive care
or it will die.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Orchant/?p=173

Vista Needs More Time: The Entry I Didn't Want To Write
http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/07/31/Windows_Vista_Needs_a_Beta_3.aspx


Stay the Course/Keep up the Denial.

State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/0743272234

CH
 
What a useless rant.
You have many assumptions and not all are true.
But we already know what often happens when we assume as you have...

Keep the irrelevant politics out of here, this is NOT the place .
If politics is the only way you can give an analogy, you need to take off
the blinders so you see a little more.

I made no mistake, but your ASSUMPTIONS may have mistakenly led you to that
conclusion.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


Chad Harris said:
The analogies are relevant and that's why they come in. It must pain an
AFB retired to see the waste and complete lies in Iraq which are killing
Canadians as well.

Make no mistake this is not confined to drivers that are not XP approved
and written and if an MVP is realizing for the first time that Device
Manager has been broken since birth, than I'm delighted to educate you
Jupiter.

The Device/Driver personnel including Richard Dominguez [MSFT] on the
intutivively named Core Storage/Audio/Biometrics team agreed with me this
exists and that they can't fix it. Look it up on the Beta Chats 2006.
MSFT is not bright enough to post the chats in one convenient place where
they can be retrieved.

If I were you I'd come off the idea that you can mark anyone as anything
because you believe it. Right now I'm helping easily as much as you are
in this group and many others. The MVP has given you delusions of
granduer. Many people sign with quotes expressing their opiions, and what
I do is no different.

"Stay the course and remain in denial over device manager and many other
broken components of Vista. A lot of the MVPs are syncophants. They like
that trip to Redmond--the illusion that they are the chosen intelligentsia
with the only and all the answers, and that MSFT can do no wrong. But
ranks have sure been broken on the crappy job done thus far with Vista and
the dropping of standards to ship crap in a box soon.

MSKB work arounds are no substitute for fixing things prior to RTM and
there are a litinany of things they can't fix or need more competent
personnel to get the job done.

CH

Jupiter Jones said:
If you have something relevant to say, keep it reasonably on topic.
If you can not stay on topic, your true motive is apparent..

There is no reason to bring politics to this newsgroup.
The comparison is a feeble attempt to interject your politics into this
non political newsgroup.

The drivers you refer, are they designed specifically for Windows XP?
If not, that is the reason, use at your own risk and the user can blame
no one but himself if there are issues.

Your intermittent use of quotes makes it difficult to know what you wrote
and what are quotes from others.
Can we ASSUME anything not in quotes is your own rants?
That would be the general understanding if you wrote correctly.

Get rid of the irrelevant politics and post back or continue on your path
to be marked a troll with off topic posts.
 
Chad Harris said:
Articulate as it was elegant Rock. But I have lots of MVP company mah man
and lots of analysis to support me--and I linked many of them previously.
Not just as to unrealistic sales projections of the slide I'm looking
at--but feature by feature. It's not my job to sell Vista. I'm more
interested in what's shipping.
What a load of crap.
Rock [ MVP User/Shell]

In the first place your political views don't belong in this newsgroup.

Second I recollect you coming into windowsxp.general and ranting about MS.
I don't remember exactly what it was all about, but this current rant of
yours I characterize as new time, new place, same old Chad.
 
They continue to block access to their "public customers" and so-called
CPPers to any meaningful bug information on Connect--that's how concerned
with feedback they are.

<snip>

Still pursuing your own personal agenda, eh? What happened, did you get
snubbed somewhere along the way?
 
Rock you projecting now as well? LOL

I'll match my help on here to yours any day.

CH
 
Rock;
Is this the same that ranted a while back that Microsoft should open the
private chats and newsgroups because he felt they were under utilized by the
Beta testers?
If so, this is the same that came across to me as jealous was not a beta
tester.
If so, your comment about agenda is right on.
That individual clearly had no understanding of the Beta process.

Now he seems to be fixating on comparing the help he does with others almost
as if it is a competition.
I doubt he understands at all.
 
Rock you projecting now as well? LOL

I'll match my help on here to yours any day.

CH


"Rock" wrote

I was wondering how long it would take you to drop to that argument - you
always do - it seems - your protective blanket. My big brother can beat
up your big brother grade school kind of thing.

Why do you think that answering questions confers upon you some aura of
greatness? That it thus provides justification for your rants? Why jump on
Dan's post? You're beef isn't with him, yet you feel compelled to do so.

Sometimes I wonder if there isn't some underlying element of manic
depressive illness.

Whatever is being projected comes from your looking in the mirror.
 
Rock;
Is this the same that ranted a while back that Microsoft should open the
private chats and newsgroups because he felt they were under utilized by
the Beta testers?
If so, this is the same that came across to me as jealous was not a beta
tester.
If so, your comment about agenda is right on.
That individual clearly had no understanding of the Beta process.

Now he seems to be fixating on comparing the help he does with others
almost as if it is a competition.
I doubt he understands at all.
"Rock" wrote

Yes it's one and the same poster.
 
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