mozilla email housekeeping

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I quit using my ISP's spam filter because I noticed legit mails in it.
I prefer viewing them before deleting them.
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Mailwasher isn't affected by your ISP's spam filters. Mailwasher is a program that lets you
view your emails directly on your ISP's mail server - you can then delete the ones you don't
want before downloading the rest.

You can get the last freeware version to support multiple pop3 accounts at
http://www.comcen.com.au/~scottford/_sgt/m2m1s2_1.htm .
 
Mailwasher isn't affected by your ISP's spam filters. Mailwasher is a program that lets you
view your emails directly on your ISP's mail server - you can then delete the ones you don't
want before downloading the rest.
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I know. With wideband service I see no point in it. I prefer to d/l
all mail and work with it in Moz.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
[email protected] said:
[SNIP problem with Moz not reducing mailbox file sizes...]
Not seen here with Moz 1.7.2 on W2K, all files shrink when compacted.
Compacting isn't the issue. Read my posts carefully.
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Fair enuff - I re-read the thread - as I don't use the Junk folder it
doesn't grow on me, and Inbox, Trash and Sent are only as large as the
messages stored in them,
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Not on my PC they aren't. Clean out the inbox in moz and then check
the size of the inbox file on the h.d.
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I can't reproduce this, took a copy of my inbox, all 15 Megs, deleted
the content, hit "Compact Folders" and it all went away.

Ahah! Here we have a difference, I only expect it to shrink when I
compact the folder... What happens when you compact manually?
Some small percentage is all.
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A _big_ percentage in my case, all 15Meg, i.e. 100%.
I quit using my ISP's spam filter because I noticed legit mails in it.
I prefer viewing them before deleting them.
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Well, I'd consider that a problem too, my ISP just flags SPAM or virii
(isolating the virii) but the message still appears in my mailbox, and I
can then override it.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
I can't reproduce this, took a copy of my inbox, all 15 Megs, deleted
the content, hit "Compact Folders" and it all went away.
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You mean the inbox file shrunk to zero size strictly from your actions
in Moz? That's not what I'm seeing at all. I can't find any way to
shrink the inbox file size down to zero within Moz. I have to do it
manually outside of Moz.
Ahah! Here we have a difference, I only expect it to shrink when I
compact the folder... What happens when you compact manually?
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Doesn't matter. The only file that shrinks to zero size is trash when
I check the option to clear it on exit. Compacting doesn't clear out
the junk and inbox files ... no way no how :)


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
So apparently you haven't set up filters to various folders you can
create, then. You see, in most cases, people will empty their inboxes
both automatically through filters and manually to a "main" folder (or
whatever).


It's always been like that through various versions and reinstalls.
You just don't understand the problem :)
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I don't either. When you delete messages from a folder from within
Thunderbird or Mozilla, the size of the folder does not change. As
Susan said, all it does is remove the message from the index (the .msf
file) so it doesn't appear to be there and cannot be accessed.

When you compact the folder, the messages are physically removed and the
folder size is reduced.
 
As I posted, the trash file is now no problem It's the inbox and junk
files that accumulate/retain everything even though the user might
think they're emptied out. Apparently, you've seen this with TB then
as well.

You mention the sent file. I see mine is 7.5 meg. Far less of a
cumulative problem there for me than inbox and junk. My wife is on
many genealogy lists, accounting for the largest volume of email we
receive. Spam mail is also quite large, accounting for the huge
cumulative junk file size we wind up with over a period of just weeks.
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Do you file your messages in folders, or leave them all in your sent folder?
 
Gord said:
Do you file your messages in folders, or leave them all in your sent
folder?
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I don't keep anything in my inbox. It goes to Saved or Trash.

Trash...Trash.msf
Sent....Sent.msf
Junk....Junk.msf
and so on.

the and so on includes
Inbox...and Inbox.msf

Open them delete everything, close, When you restart Thunderbird they
are empty.
 
I don't either. When you delete messages from a folder from within
Thunderbird or Mozilla, the size of the folder does not change. As
Susan said, all it does is remove the message from the index (the .msf
file) so it doesn't appear to be there and cannot be accessed.

When you compact the folder, the messages are physically removed and the
folder size is reduced.
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That's not what I'm seeing. As I've said here repeatedly, the inbox
file just keeps on growing. So does the junk file. I've seen them near
100 meg before I manually truncate them using a hex editor. I can't
find any way to truncate them within Moz.

Insosofar as my routine use of Moz email, most legit email are
automatically routed to various genealogy folders through the use of
filters. So they don't then appear in the inbox while in Moz. Other
legit email I usually transfer to the main folder. So the inbox folder
is usually empty. But not the inbox file, which seems to retain
everything that's passed through it. The "compact folders" message
pops up each time I start Moz and I always answer "Yes". I also have
tried compacting under the File menu.

Similarly, most spam are auto-filtered into the junk folder. If not, I
train the filter by marking them and they are moved. I never leave
more than 15 or 20 in the junk folder before I clean it out. But the
junk file just keeps on growing. accumulating everything that's been
in it (apparently) unless I go out of Moz and manually truncate the
file.

The same thing was happening with trash until I selected the option to
empty trash on exit. Now, at least the trash file remains empty.

If other users aren't seeing the problem of cumulative growth of their
inbox and junk folders, it may be that somehow I've created the
problem (in a way) by not using the default location for Moz email. I
moved it all away from under Windows using the prefs at one point,
and editing the locations. And NO! it's not going back :) I have my
reasons.

That's the only thing I can think of that's unusual in my case.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
If other users aren't seeing the problem of cumulative growth of their
inbox and junk folders, it may be that somehow I've created the
problem (in a way) by not using the default location for Moz email. I
moved it all away from under Windows using the prefs at one point,
and editing the locations. And NO! it's not going back :) I have my
reasons.

That's the only thing I can think of that's unusual in my case.
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Now we have something! You have told us that your user data is not in
the default location, potentially a _big_ difference!

Mine is where it should be under WinNT/2K/XPPro, in:
C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\{username}\{interesting.string}

And, as you said "away from under Windows" I've just deduced that you
are running on Win9x/ME. Is that so?

If you are, that may be the entire problem, there are some subtle
differences in strange and delicate places between the NT-based Windows
and the "Consumer-oriented" Win9x.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

P.S. You can tell that I no longer do front-line support, I keep
forgetting to ask those all important questions: "What Operating System
are you using?" "What version of that OS are you using?" And "Is it
patched up to the current date?"
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote:
[SNIP]
If other users aren't seeing the problem of cumulative growth of their
inbox and junk folders, it may be that somehow I've created the
problem (in a way) by not using the default location for Moz email. I
moved it all away from under Windows using the prefs at one point,
and editing the locations. And NO! it's not going back :) I have my
reasons.

That's the only thing I can think of that's unusual in my case.
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Now we have something! You have told us that your user data is not in
the default location, potentially a _big_ difference!

Mine is where it should be under WinNT/2K/XPPro, in:
C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\{username}\{interesting.string}

And, as you said "away from under Windows" I've just deduced that you
are running on Win9x/ME. Is that so?
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Yes. Win ME.
If you are, that may be the entire problem, there are some subtle
differences in strange and delicate places between the NT-based Windows
and the "Consumer-oriented" Win9x.
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You make it sound as if Moz isn't compatible with Win 9x/ME :)

So the question I have is whether or not other 9x/ME users see the
problem. Or is it somehow weirdly related to my relocation of Moz
email data folders and files. Odd if it is, since everything works ok
except for this glitch, and the trash file now does get cleared to
zero.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
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