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From the very first quote of mine you have taken,

"The big problem with the arguement is, people like Papajohn have their
web-sites, helping people for free, answer questions on the newsgroups,
charging for services etc....."

I said people like Papajohn, I didn't say Papjohn, and I didn't have to say
Rehan if I didn't want to. I was giving a explanation. You called me a liar
and I gave you facts to back up my post.

If you wouldn't mind saying you are sorry for calling me a liar again, as
this is the third time I have had to ask you to apologise for making remarks
about me which I have been able to disprove.

I am not talking about whether Rehan has made good or bad posts, or whether
you fell Papajohn is a liar, that's you trying to get out of the problem you
have gotten yourself into again, by calling me a liar, and then having no
proof for what you say about me, and not liking the fact I can give you
proof and facts to back up what I say.

So, please produce the proof for all the accusations below, or apologise.

Graham


--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
 
Al,

When I didn't have a website, my posts about problem-solving got longer and
longer... people started to complain: ".... why don't you just put it into
an FAQ rather than saying the same thing over and over?..."

When you post an FAQ document regularly like JK's... people either don't
check it, or they complain: ".... why do you need to post it so often?...."

So you put it on a website and point people to it....and people complain:
"....why don't you just say it here?...".

There isn't a right way to do it... those who complain if you do it one way
are the ones who complain if you change it to their way, They are probably
taking their frustrations about Movie Maker or life in general out on
others. I hope it relieves them, even if it doesn't help.

---
PapaJohn
Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org

tips and tricks - http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693
 
You're missing the point. Well actually I don't think you are missing the
point so much as avoiding the point.

The point isn't referral to a web site, even if it's yours. The point is
using MS NG's as a marketing tool by referrals to your for profit business
web site. For example, rather than providing a link direct to the content
you instruct people to navigate your site to the content, thus unnecessarily
subjecting them to advertisements for your business. But that's the
purpose, isn't it.

You are using MS news groups as a marketing tool for your business, plain
and simple. This should not be allowed, especially for an MS-MVP.

Yes there is a right way to do it. Drop the marketing of your business.
But of course you won't do that because it's the primary reason your here.

But do I think MS will do anything about it. Probably not. That would be
like expecting the teachers pet to be sent to detention.
 
I think I see your point in theory... I have a hard time figuring out how I
would implement it in a practical way... beyond what I already do.

Not posting isn't an option for me, when I have something helpful to say (it
would seem wrong not to help).. Pointing to a website page with answers and
ads on it is OK... the answers are free and the ads can be ignored... I see
lots of pointers to places like DVRHelp.com and other places, with much more
in advertisements than mine has.

Yes, I or anyone could abuse it by making posts simply to market their goods
and services.... I don't have a pattern of doing such, and given that
pattern there isn't any reason to think that would start now.... and if I
did start to abuse it, Microsoft and others would put me in my place.
--
PapaJohn
Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org

tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693

Online Newsletters: http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Index.aspx
 
PapaJohn (MVP) said:
I think I see your point in theory... I have a hard time figuring out how I
would implement it in a practical way... beyond what I already do.

No one gives a toos what you do. Nothing you say can be trusted...you have
been caught out with so many lies in the past it is truly mystifying why you
are still an mvp....or is that a qualification too.
Not posting isn't an option for me, when I have something helpful to say
(it

Re-phrase this into LOOK I MUST BE GOOD BECAUSE I APPEAR IN ALL THESE
THREADS
would seem wrong not to help).. Pointing to a website page with answers
and ads on it is OK... the answers are free and the ads can be ignored...
I see lots of pointers to places like DVRHelp.com and other places, with
much more in advertisements than mine has.

Your recent attacks on the best website in the world (One which you have
NO INPUT to) are on a par with your in-depth analysis of a program I once
(and still do) recomend called Perfect Disk by Raxco....your review claimed
it was slow and created thousands a fragments....either, you were lying and
had not done any tests with the program, or, your usualk incompetent methods
resulted in not running the program the way it is supposed to be run...hint,
you click one little biddy checkbox and it does all that it claims...Butr
Wait!! if it was only you disagring with me peopple might have ssaid...they
are falling out again...but hold on a second...MICROSFT have granted Perfect
Disk their HIGHEST AWARD for performance and such like.....THEIR HIGHEST
AWARD, and it gets better, its the ONLY software (or was at that time) that
could actually defragment totaly a disk.....I could mention your hopeless
knowledge on how to use basic windows tools here as well, but I think
PErfect Disk is a god all round example of your abilities...so, WHY do you
think anyone is going to believe what you say about videohelp.com or
dvdhelp.com ??? Hmmmmm
Yes, I or anyone could abuse it by making posts simply to market their
goods and services.... I don't have a pattern of doing such, and given
that pattern there isn't any reason to think that would start now.... and
if I did start to abuse it, Microsoft and others would put me in my place.

Yes, now then, "Please contact me at my email address to discus your
problem in private"....that was one of those times you used this newsgroup
to earn money wasn't it???? The newsletter you advertise....To gain a copy
you have to PAY FOR IT, and after paying for it you find ADVERTS...YOUR
ADVERTS...$50 to repair your complex movie maker problems....... FIFTY
DOLLARS !!!! For gods sake...are you burning it to gold plated disks and
fedex ing it back to them ????? No, that can't be it, because you recently
claimed that you had produced no more than 25 DVD's in your entire
life.....Even though you make regular claims about your testing!!!!!

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Papajohn an MVP is a LIAR He uses those LIES to con the public into
believing he has skills that in truth he does not possess. Trust him at your
Peril
 
Hello hughes,

Graham Hughes said:
From the very first quote of mine you have taken,

Again a LIE...I quoted the WHOLE MESSAGE9
"The big problem with the arguement is, people like Papajohn have their
web-sites, helping people for free, answer questions on the newsgroups,
charging for services etc....."

I said people like Papajohn, I didn't say Papjohn, and I didn't have to
say Rehan if I didn't want to. I was giving a explanation. You called me a
liar and I gave you facts to back up my post.

TOTAL DRIVEL...again an MVP trying to backpeddle...I said you were a
LIAR and I can now see that you are trying to re-phrase your basic LIE to
make you look as though you were not telling LIES
If you wouldn't mind saying you are sorry for calling me a liar again, as
this is the third time I have had to ask you to apologise for making
remarks about me which I have been able to disprove.

Sorry, LOLOL YOU ARE A LIAR...Got It ??? YOU ARE A LIAR and a fairly
pitifulkk one at that....
I am not talking about whether Rehan has made good or bad posts, or
whether you fell Papajohn is a liar, that's you trying to get out of the
problem you have gotten yourself into again, by calling me a liar, and
then having no proof for what you say about me, and not liking the fact I
can give you proof and facts to back up what I say.

Now what are you talkng about????? Still trying to drag someone else
in.....what a total fool you are...a bad one at that....
So, please produce the proof for all the accusations below, or apologise.

The only proof that is needed is for the reader to look at your
messages....you were caught out hughes, TOUGH

Lets just remember where this started Eh...I and others say that the
activities of he who you love so much are out of order...he uses his
position to enhance his financial state. I add to that be showing that he is
an amazing LIAR....much better at it than you I might add, but the problem
all liars have is two fold, They have to have a very good memory and they
have to be certain that no one can prove them wrong by accessing information
that is easy to get at (in this case)

In the case of pj we have a man who stumbled from one solution to
another and eventually got a pattern of faults which he could attach a
number of solutions to....MONKEYS can do that. Microsoft made him an
MVP...this was in the early days of the MVP program and he was probably the
only candidate around. He then had someone make him a website. There is no
doubt in my mind that he did not make it....because of the apalling lack of
knowledge he has in the past demonstrated.....I start to notice him when he
started stating that HE had written two books...LIE at that time he had been
helped by microsoft to create ONE book and he joined in as a junior partner
with another author to create the second book....This by the way is a
collection of "facts" from prior messages by papajohn....I am going to just
Love It he he tries to withdraw those remarks (hint)

He then progress's to CHARGING people for solving very basic
problems.....At this point I should point at that in a recent mesage he
tries to convince everyone that he has never advertised his services in
here...another LIE !! His next step is to create a newsletter which he also
advertises in here (dare him to denyy it) and he charges MONEY for
it...again his statement that he does nothing commercial is in this
newsgroup is a LIE

During all of this he tells LIES to everyone by stating that he posts to
52 nrewsgroups on issues all relating to media....52 newsgroups ???? Surely
thats not right...So I check....it was either 7 or 8, I forget which...and
out of thos it was 2 newsgroups that he mainly posted to and this newsgroup
was the main one. Untill someone points out that this man is a blatant LIAR
and that he is using those lies to bolster his position so that he can
charge for "services" that the very large number of regular posters in here
couls solve standing on their heads, this guy is ging to rip-off more and
more people.

Did it end their with the 52 newsgroups. NO. As I said in here to him
just after the next phase of lies, I had inntended to let the matter
drop.....but what did he do???? Its a scream...trully a SCREAM....he
produces one of his sly messages stating that Microsoft have produced
statistics showing he actually posts to 63 newsgroups...WHAT... SIXTY THREE
!!!!!...and he actually posted a link to the stats.....

I did a very quick analysis on those stats and used the inbuilt database
functions within those stats to discover that almost everyone of these
newsgroups he claimed to post into on a regular basis did in fact contain
only ONE...thats ONE message from him. With respect to those ONE messages
every one of them was a reply to a question that had been crossposted to a
large number of newsgroups...and by replying to that message probably in
ther movie maker newsgroup he caused his reply to appear in all those other
newsgroups.

When he discovered these stats he jumped in and shouted to the
world...SEE I ACTUALLY POST IN 63 NEWSGROUPS...the man is a complete LIAR, A
FRAUD...but its worse than that. He told a LIE (52 newsgroups) and fools
like you hughes and loads of idiots most of whom were mvp's all backed him
up...one of them publikly threatened that abuse aimed at me would continue
untill such time as I stopped showing this man up as a LIAR stopped. We even
had brown and eddy join in where possible all lending their weight to the
onslaught.......and then pj follewd it up with the lie about 63 newsgroups.

So, pj claims to be a database expert LOL. one of those who supported
him pointed him towards some stats and tell him ,"look you can show you
posted to 63" and the expert in databases papajohn takes those stats and
shouts it out over the roof tops...and idiots like you support him.

The final dark responce from the liar was along the lines of, "I guess I
LUCKED OUT" So there it is, an inadvertent admission.

Where does that leave you hughes ?????

You want an apology.....LOLOLOLOLOL

With regard to what you tried to turn this thread into....your still in
the childrens play area.

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
 
hughes, I see you are still hoping that if you use these expresions often
enough someone might believe you are actually owed an apology Sad Man

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Hate Liars, Hate those who support LIARS
 
Graham Hughes said:
Just like the last time, when proven that you were quite wrong in your
allegations against me, you just stopped replying, not even a sorry I got
it wrong....... funny from a man who spends most of his time bringing up
the fact theother people make a wrong comment or two.

Stop Replying, is their something wrong with your news reader...do you
too need a lesson on how to use it, can you read THIS????

Oh sorry, I see its because you are on Benefits...you expect everything
to be done to your time scale, YES???

As I have said elsewhere, Now that I understand the level of ability
needed to be an MVP (LOL) I also understand your ability....Didn't like
that??? Oh So Sorry hughes I will try and work to your time table from now
on...PRATT

I believe I have already dealt with your pathetic attempt at convincing
people that when you say "A" you really meant "Z" Your lessons from the
other LIAR papaerjohn are not going to well are they Hmmmmm

You Must Try Harder !!!

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Hate Liars, Hate those who support LIARS
 
P.S. I'm off out again in a short while...be back in a few days...thought I
would let you know...you can set your alarm clock...If you know how.

Joohn Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Hate Liars, Hote those who support LIARS & Instant Experts.
 
P.P.S.

LOL, still waiting for you to demonstrate how I am forever telling
everyone what my job was....it seems that when challenged to provide the
proof of your remarks, you demonstrate your Papajohn Idiots Guide to telling
LIES book is not helping you out at all

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Hate Liars, Hate those who suport LIARS
 
"I have a hard time figuring out how I would implement it in a practical
way"

I just told how. But you'd rather play dumb so as to have an excuse to
continue maximizing your exploitation of this NG for marketing your business
rather than making a good faith effort to minimize the same. This shines
brightly on your true primary purpose.
 
Hello,

Al Stu said:
"I have a hard time figuring out how I would implement it in a practical
way"

I just told how. But you'd rather play dumb so as to have an excuse to
continue maximizing your exploitation of this NG for marketing your
business rather than making a good faith effort to minimize the same.
This shines brightly on your true primary purpose.

Well Said Sir.

Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
 
Come on Come On hughes....where is your answer??? You really must stop
running away when you are shown up...Dam bad form you know...

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org

Hate Liars, Hate those who support Liars
 
Oh come on John,
Everyone knows someone who is caught out tries to turn the topic of
conversation away from the problem he has, so why don't you stick to the
topic of conversation here?

I have not turned this conversation anway. I have repeatedly asked for you
to say sorry for calling me a liar, or give me facts which show I am.

You have done neither of these.

Rest in-line.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


John Kelly said:
Hello hughes,



Again a LIE...I quoted the WHOLE MESSAGE9

You have mistaken what I wrote, I did not lie, and I am not saying you are
lieing. I purely used the first bit of my quote. Before you accuse me of
back peddling though, you can use my whole post if you like, it all has the
same meaning.
TOTAL DRIVEL...again an MVP trying to backpeddle...I said you were a
LIAR and I can now see that you are trying to re-phrase your basic LIE to
make you look as though you were not telling LIES

I have not rephrased anything, you quoted my post and I have also done the
same. How can I be lieing?
Sorry, LOLOL YOU ARE A LIAR...Got It ??? YOU ARE A LIAR and a fairly
pitifulkk one at that....

When will you learn, to do this you need facts. I must have an apology from
you. Where above are any lies? Please show me at least one to back up this
latest onslaught to my good name.
Now what are you talkng about????? Still trying to drag someone else
in.....what a total fool you are...a bad one at that....

I am talking about your rudness and the fact you have called me a liar and
have nothing to back up this allegation. Now will you apologise.
The only proof that is needed is for the reader to look at your
messages....you were caught out hughes, TOUGH
Where?


Lets just remember where this started Eh...I and others say that the
activities of he who you love so much are out of order...he uses his
position to enhance his financial state. I add to that be showing that he
is an amazing LIAR....much better at it than you I might add, but the
problem all liars have is two fold, They have to have a very good memory
and they have to be certain that no one can prove them wrong by accessing
information that is easy to get at (in this case)

In the case of pj we have a man who stumbled from one solution to
another and eventually got a pattern of faults which he could attach a
number of solutions to....MONKEYS can do that. Microsoft made him an
MVP...this was in the early days of the MVP program and he was probably
the only candidate around. He then had someone make him a website. There
is no doubt in my mind that he did not make it....because of the apalling
lack of knowledge he has in the past demonstrated.....I start to notice
him when he started stating that HE had written two books...LIE at that
time he had been helped by microsoft to create ONE book and he joined in
as a junior partner with another author to create the second book....This
by the way is a collection of "facts" from prior messages by papajohn....I
am going to just Love It he he tries to withdraw those remarks (hint)

He then progress's to CHARGING people for solving very basic
problems.....At this point I should point at that in a recent mesage he
tries to convince everyone that he has never advertised his services in
here...another LIE !! His next step is to create a newsletter which he
also advertises in here (dare him to denyy it) and he charges MONEY for
it...again his statement that he does nothing commercial is in this
newsgroup is a LIE

During all of this he tells LIES to everyone by stating that he posts
to 52 nrewsgroups on issues all relating to media....52 newsgroups ????
Surely thats not right...So I check....it was either 7 or 8, I forget
which...and out of thos it was 2 newsgroups that he mainly posted to and
this newsgroup was the main one. Untill someone points out that this man
is a blatant LIAR and that he is using those lies to bolster his position
so that he can charge for "services" that the very large number of regular
posters in here couls solve standing on their heads, this guy is ging to
rip-off more and more people.

Did it end their with the 52 newsgroups. NO. As I said in here to him
just after the next phase of lies, I had inntended to let the matter
drop.....but what did he do???? Its a scream...trully a SCREAM....he
produces one of his sly messages stating that Microsoft have produced
statistics showing he actually posts to 63 newsgroups...WHAT... SIXTY
THREE !!!!!...and he actually posted a link to the stats.....

I did a very quick analysis on those stats and used the inbuilt
database functions within those stats to discover that almost everyone of
these newsgroups he claimed to post into on a regular basis did in fact
contain only ONE...thats ONE message from him. With respect to those ONE
messages every one of them was a reply to a question that had been
crossposted to a large number of newsgroups...and by replying to that
message probably in ther movie maker newsgroup he caused his reply to
appear in all those other newsgroups.

When he discovered these stats he jumped in and shouted to the
world...SEE I ACTUALLY POST IN 63 NEWSGROUPS...the man is a complete LIAR,
A FRAUD...but its worse than that. He told a LIE (52 newsgroups) and fools
like you hughes and loads of idiots most of whom were mvp's all backed him
up...one of them publikly threatened that abuse aimed at me would continue
untill such time as I stopped showing this man up as a LIAR stopped. We
even had brown and eddy join in where possible all lending their weight to
the onslaught.......and then pj follewd it up with the lie about 63
newsgroups.

So, pj claims to be a database expert LOL. one of those who supported
him pointed him towards some stats and tell him ,"look you can show you
posted to 63" and the expert in databases papajohn takes those stats and
shouts it out over the roof tops...and idiots like you support him.

The final dark responce from the liar was along the lines of, "I guess
I LUCKED OUT" So there it is, an inadvertent admission.

Where does that leave you hughes ?????

This leaves me wondering why you have written all of this. I have asked for
an apology for you calling me a liar. I am only interseted in the claims you
have made against me, not those you have made against anyone else.

Please give back up your allegations with proof. Just in case you have
forgotten what proof you need to give, as I haven't even though you are
trying to steer the conversation away from it. It is proof that I am Under
somebodies control.

Graham
 
--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


John Kelly said:
Stop Replying, is their something wrong with your news reader...do you
too need a lesson on how to use it, can you read THIS????

Yes I can read this, I refer to the last time you made allegations about me,
you offerend no proof and instead of apologising stopped replying to the
thread. If you read my post properly, it says just like the last ime, it
does not say this time.
Oh sorry, I see its because you are on Benefits...you expect everything
to be done to your time scale, YES???

I don't understand what you are saying here. I take it you are saying I am
in receipt of state benefits, the standard UK meaning of teh term
"benefits". Please give me your proof for this or apologise to me.
As I have said elsewhere, Now that I understand the level of ability
needed to be an MVP (LOL) I also understand your ability....Didn't like
that??? Oh So Sorry hughes I will try and work to your time table from now
on...PRATT

Why does man like you have to revert ot name calling?
I believe I have already dealt with your pathetic attempt at convincing
people that when you say "A" you really meant "Z" Your lessons from the
other LIAR papaerjohn are not going to well are they Hmmmmm

I'm still waiting for the proof that someone controls me John, are you going
to produce this or are you going to apologise?

Graham
 
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