Merged AMD-ATI monster embarks on monopoly-busting

[Walter Mitty]

Then it screwing up my logon and desktop was my imagination? Yeah,
right.


Not on my system and I have all the programs I want.


Try checking it out. Don't worry. Your computer won't be harmed.


I know I don't want it on my system. Do you work for Microsquash?

You see, it didnt take long. This is nothing more than yet another rabid
anti-ms idiot that hates Bill Gates yet is quite happy to use his OS and
play games. Ive never understood this people. Dont like it? Dont use it.

 

[EDM]

Integrataion support. Easy.

Is like asking why people bothered with COM.

I'm still trying to understand what point you're making.
There are very good reasons why no one except MS
bothered with COM, and the same is true for .NET.

 

[Walter Mitty]

I'm still trying to understand what point you're making.
There are very good reasons why no one except MS
bothered with COM, and the same is true for .NET.

They are/were MS proprietary designed to give them the edge. For some
reason they insisted on reinventing the wheel. Interface layers were
produced for other OSs to talk via COM or even .net.

Thousands of 3 rd party apps use both.

I dont understand your angle here.

ATIs developers made use of the .net framework to simplify their driver
intregration. Its what its for. This idea that they are just "lazy" is
complete bullshit. They saved unnecessary time and effort : there is a
HUGE difference.

 

[EDM]

You see, it didnt take long. This is nothing more than yet another rabid
anti-ms idiot that hates Bill Gates yet is quite happy to use his OS and
play games. Ive never understood this people. Dont like it? Dont use it.

Tell you what, Walter. Save this post, then come back
and read it in about two years -- IF your subscription to
Live Mail is paid up.

 

[EDM]

They are/were MS proprietary designed to give them the edge. For some
reason they insisted on reinventing the wheel. Interface layers were
produced for other OSs to talk via COM or even .net.

Thousands of 3 rd party apps use both.

I dont understand your angle here.

ATIs developers made use of the .net framework to simplify their driver
intregration. Its what its for. This idea that they are just "lazy" is
complete bullshit. They saved unnecessary time and effort : there is a
HUGE difference.

Now *that* is some serious bullshit. You're claiming MS
hasn't spent 10x as much time and money dealing with COM's
problems as they've gained in business because of it? COM
was without question the biggest white elephant in MS history.
And you're claiming junking up people's computers with a
bloated, resource sucking piece of garbage for no added
functionality whatsoever qualifies as "necessary" for ATI?
That's nothing short of astonishing.

 

[J. Clarke]

* shegeek72:


What a reason. Who cares about 3D performance or game compatibility when
one can avoid .NET which is nothing the uninformed crowd believes it
is ;-)

And of course you have a monopoly on the Truth.

Of course there will be users fiddling around in system innards without
having a f***ing clue what the things he plays around do and of course
which will blame the resulting problems to MS alone...

Projecting a bit?

 

[J. Clarke]

Then it screwing up my logon and desktop was my imagination? Yeah,
right.


Not on my system and I have all the programs I want.


Try checking it out. Don't worry. Your computer won't be harmed.

I got a certificate mismatch. In any case I can't see how the issuance of a
patch for an obsolete version indicated any kind of unusual security risk.
If you think that that is a problem then you should not be using Windows at
all.

I know I don't want it on my system. Do you work for Microsquash?

If you hate them so much then why are you using their software?

 

[J. Clarke]

Like the rest of the OS. .net is nothing special in this regard.


Did it? How?


Hardly obsolete though.


As can all web services.


There obviously is or you wouldnt need it. The question is more why the
hell it *is* needed? Are you sure its not just needed for the
installation? I dont recall it being needed to ftp the driver down ...

It's not needed to download. It's needed to run the new control panel. The
reason, most likely, is that ATI just upgraded their compilers and took the
defaults without thinking about what they were doing and hasn't seen fit to
configure defaults that don't link the .NET libraries.

My impression is that the inmates are running the asylum.

 

[J. Clarke]

I'm still trying to understand what point you're making.
There are very good reasons why no one except MS
bothered with COM, and the same is true for .NET.

Funny, I seem to have quite a lot of software that supports COM that die not
come from Microsoft.

 

[J. Clarke]

AMD needs chipset design and foundry... from ATI?? Where did you pull
that
from? First AMD knows how to do chipsets -- uhh, they've done it -- and
Ruiz has already stated "there are no plans in the near future to combine
the manufacturing of AMD and ATI chips into an integrated foundry".

AMD has produced chipsets in the past that were uniformly dogs, which is why
they finally gave up.

 

[Walter Mitty]

Now *that* is some serious bullshit. You're claiming MS
hasn't spent 10x as much time and money dealing with COM's
problems as they've gained in business because of it? COM

Err no. Where did I claim that? Developing this stuff costs serious money.

was without question the biggest white elephant in MS history.

Active X certainly was.

And you're claiming junking up people's computers with a
bloated, resource sucking piece of garbage for no added
functionality whatsoever qualifies as "necessary" for ATI?
That's nothing short of astonishing.

There is added functionality : it eases integration of other apps. What
point do you refuse to recognise? Why do you think ATI used it?

 

[Walter Mitty]

It's not needed to download. It's needed to run the new control panel. The
reason, most likely, is that ATI just upgraded their compilers and
took the

I know it isnt. It was a rehetorical question to hilite the previous
bullshit. And the control panel *isnt* needed.

 

[Walter Mitty]

Funny, I seem to have quite a lot of software that supports COM that die not
come from Microsoft.

And loads of the distributed stuff with COM previous known as DCOM. He's
talking though his hole : pure & simple. There even exist COM-CORBA
gateways to interface MS crap with big distributed systems.

 

[EDM]

Err no. Where did I claim that? Developing this stuff costs serious money.


Active X certainly was.

ActiveX was not the biggest. Not by a longshot. Do we need
to start talking about MS-Blaster/port 135 exploits etc etc etc?
COM singlehandedly and permanently infected most of the
world's computer networks, including those of most major
ISPs around the globe.

There is added functionality : it eases integration of other apps. What
point do you refuse to recognise? Why do you think ATI used it?

I know ATI's claimed reasoning for using it, and I also know
why they used it. They can't write a decent Windows driver
to save their freaking lives. They haven't been able to for 15+
years. They won't even attempt a *nix driver. And they're
doing everything they can to suck Ballmer's dick as hard as
they can. If that includes trashing their own customers' XP
and 2K installations, tough luck.

 

[Walter Mitty]

ActiveX was not the biggest. Not by a longshot. Do we need
to start talking about MS-Blaster/port 135 exploits etc etc etc?
COM singlehandedly and permanently infected most of the
world's computer networks, including those of most major
ISPs around the globe.

I must admit that this *is* news to me. I have no doubts as to the
weaknesses of (any) services between networks/peers, but to deny that
COM serves a purpose is plain wrong.

I know ATI's claimed reasoning for using it, and I also know

*claimed* eh? Do tell more.

why they used it. They can't write a decent Windows driver
to save their freaking lives. They haven't been able to for 15+

They never used to be able to : who will ever forget Derek Smart and ATI.

years. They won't even attempt a *nix driver. And they're

They have rapidly improving Linux drivers. Even if I cant get HW
acceleration working. Unix? I dont know about that.

doing everything they can to suck Ballmer's dick as hard as
they can. If that includes trashing their own customers' XP
and 2K installations, tough luck.

I have an ATI card (X800pro) and it works great. What did they do to
make you hate them so? Steal your toys?

 

[George Macdonald]

AMD has produced chipsets in the past that were uniformly dogs, which is why
they finally gave up.

Sounds to me like the voice of err, inexperience talking. Their chipsets
worked fine as do the ones they make now... including the "north Bridge"
components in the K8 core. Unlike Intel, AMD does not announce some new
"Doohickey Technology" to describe some "advanced" new feature - it's just
umm, in there.

 

[J. Clarke]

I must admit that this *is* news to me. I have no doubts as to the
weaknesses of (any) services between networks/peers, but to deny that
COM serves a purpose is plain wrong.


*claimed* eh? Do tell more.


They never used to be able to : who will ever forget Derek Smart and ATI.


They have rapidly improving Linux drivers. Even if I cant get HW
acceleration working. Unix? I dont know about that.


I have an ATI card (X800pro) and it works great. What did they do to
make you hate them so? Steal your toys?

Maybe they fired him for having a bad attitude?

 

[NuQ]

It required a password to logon to XP, when I'd set the password
function off. Also, "removed" my custom desktop / theme (custom
background, icons, etc.) and replaced it with Windoze default desktop.

To Login automatically to a user account, follow the instructions below:

1) Click on Run
2) Type in the following command and click OK

control userpasswords2

3) Highlight the user you want to log into automatically, then uncheck
the box for

"Users must enter a username and password to use this computer"

4) Click on Apply and you'll be asked to verify the username and
password to log in automatically
5) Click OK and the next time you restart your computer, you'll
automatically be logged in without having the classic prompt or Welcome
Screen.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

* Walter Mitty:

You see, it didnt take long.

Right, but most of these cocks will continue whining around because of
something they simply don't understand. Besides that, flaming MS seems
still to be politically correct these days.

But to their defense, MS has caused at least a part of this confusion.
..NET 1.0 arrived at a time the discussions about TCPA were very intense,
so some people considered .NET part of TCPA. Of course this misbelieve
could have been resolved easily by doing some research and reading about
what .NET really is and does but that is something which most morons are
simply not able to do.

This is nothing more than yet another rabid anti-ms idiot that hates
Bill Gates yet is quite happy to use his OS and play games. Ive never
understood this people. Dont like it? Dont use it.

Exactly. No-one forces them to use Windows, and there are many
alternatives which also leaves them enough room for complaining ;-)

Benjamin

 

[EDM]

* Walter Mitty:


Right, but most of these cocks will continue whining around because of
something they simply don't understand. Besides that, flaming MS seems
still to be politically correct these days.

Screw you. No need to believe me or anyone. Just wait and watch.