*MAJOR* zone alarm issue *HELP*

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any version of sygate located here:

http://www.oldversion.com ?




In_Parentheses said:
Hi PT!

Depends on a few of factors in the equasion:

* How fast is the system (IOW "How old is it")
* How much RAM is available?
* What level of protection would you agree to?
* Is the system behind a NAT-router while on the Internet?

My config for the three systems here:

* W98 box, 70 MB RAM ---> Outpost 1
* W2KPro system 1, 366 MHz, 160 MB RAM --> Outpost again (*)
* W2KPro system 2, 667 MHz, 256 MB RAM --> Sygate SPF

(*) Necessary since this is a laptop and Sygate slows the system down
way too much for my liking, and second because it crashes the system
when on. DUN... I would have prefered SPF here too, though!

As for TPFW (Tiny Personal Firewall); from the Last Freeware version
page at:

http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page3.html

<quote>
While you are formally correct that this is the last free version
under the name of "Tiny", the story is that the original developers
of Tiny Personal Firewall splitted from TinySoftware, and opened a
new company named Kerio. The rights of the source code of Tiny
Personal Firewall 2, remained with them, and the continued to develop
it, but under the name "Kerio Personal Firewall 2", rather than "Tiny
personal Firewall 2". Thus you may see that Kerio 2, is really the
same as Tiny 2, and is still free for home on- commercial use (just
as Tiny 2 was). It has a different icon, and they added an internal
help, but the interface and features are the same, and so is the
engine. Kerio 2 can still be downloaded from Kerio's site. Last free
version is 2.1.5 (they no longer develop version 2, version 3, has
not publically released, and version 4, is written from the scratch.
</quote>

This IMO also answers the Kerio question for that matter. "Which
version" you ask regarding Kerio; well, if you're in for the freeware
version then Kerio 2.1.5 is your last resort, all others are $-ware
(and therfore OT here.)
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Hi PT!

SPF because it protects more than suffiently right out of the box, for
those willing to (and able) to dive into "Advanced rules" it offers
enough options through an easy to use interface. Also I want to mention
the logging and traceback option in this firewall.

I haven't seen any "baddies" going out, or coming in, on any system SPF
had been installed on (except in one case where a moron of a computer
salesman, without any knowledge about the internet today, uninstalled SPF
because some game wouldn't run; but you hardly can blame that on SPF
IMO!).

320 Meg RAM, 1 Gig processor, you wouldn't even notice SPF being there,
untill it pops up that is!

One tip: Turn off "Notification" in the settings after you rebooted...
otherwise you will go bonkers over the notification window after a
(short) while; turning them off doesn't influence the FW's work, nor does
it turn off the pop-up window when a program attempts to go to the
Internet.
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In_Parentheses said:
Hi (e-mail address removed)!

Yes they do uninstall,
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ZoneAlarm literally woudln't uninstall! It didn't just leave something
behind.
and then try to install another firewall and run
into problems because the "left something behind" during uninstall
(before you ask: Yes, I did shutdown the firewalls, disabled them from
restarting with the OS and rebooted the systems.)

Not just ZA had those problems.
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ZA was worse. as mentioned. It literally reappeared after uninstall.
Uninstall just wouldn't remove any of it at all.

Regarding those other FWs, did you have to format to remove the traces
left behind?
In ZA's early days there was a realy messed up version released, and
there were two - or three - versions later that had problems.

I agree with you on Sygate (SPF), but it has its quirks as well (why does
it run on system A with W2KPro SP4, and not on system B with the same
configuration, for example..., or why does a system on which it was
installed screwed up so badly that it wouldn't run in normal mode
anymore, and SPF had to be uninstalled in "Safe Mode"...)
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at least it had a reasonably simple procedure to uninstall it. A minor
nuisance perhaps, but an easy solution. No need to reformat.

Funny, searching on those two keywords in Google Groups brought up no
less than 6.640 results in ACF only...
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6.6 ?!! or 6640?!

I got 255 results for kerio problems (no quotes there. otherwise we
just get this post)!
how many of those posts claim that kerio didnt' uninstall. I'll bet 0 ,
maybe 1. certainly less than 5. Yet with zonealarm it was a famous
problem recognized by the wollies that made it
 
ZoneAlarm literally woudln't uninstall! It didn't just leave
something behind.
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Never had a problem with it so far, and given the fact that I am quite
satisfied with what I have I'm not too eager to try new ones...
ZA was worse. as mentioned. It literally reappeared after uninstall.
Uninstall just wouldn't remove any of it at all.
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Huh? That is quite odd behavior!
Regarding those other FWs, did you have to format to remove the traces
left behind?
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One might do that if it isn't known how to remove those traces in a
different way; and sometimes you realy have to dig deep to get everything
removed, but it can be done. Believe it or not, I found traces of all
firewalls I had installed for testing, and I had to remove them the way I
described in a reply here to John Jay and PT... and boy was I mad ;-)

at least it had a reasonably simple procedure to uninstall it. A minor
nuisance perhaps, but an easy solution. No need to reformat.
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But uninstall SPF and search for traces in the hidden hardware section,
and you'll be amazed what you will find there, unfortunately. But you are
right, there was a fairly easy solution to the problem!
6.6 ?!! or 6640?!
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Sorry; 6 said:
I got 255 results for kerio problems (no quotes there. otherwise we
just get this post)!
how many of those posts claim that kerio didnt' uninstall. I'll bet 0
, maybe 1. certainly less than 5. Yet with zonealarm it was a famous
problem recognized by the wollies that made it
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Like I wrote before, I know of enough systems on which ZA runs without
any problems; I guess it's difficult to write a program that runs
flawlessly on all possible configurations (see my problems with SPF on
the older laptop!)

Of course I didn't read all posts, there are way too many to do so, so
let's agree on the fact that some have problems with ZA, some have them
with SPF, some have them with ..... (fill in the PFW of your choice.)
 
In_Parentheses said:
You'r welcome!
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Running Sygate (last version) for 3 days now. So far no problems. I
used Keiro before but ran into issues (started to get to complicated to
maintain lol).
 
Running Sygate (last version) for 3 days now. So far no problems. I
used Keiro before but ran into issues (started to get to complicated to
maintain lol).
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Hi PT,

You will find out (or already did so) that SPF is fairly easy to
maintain; the only problem you could have is when you'd for instance like
to run an FTP-server from your system while the firewall is active; then
you would have to go into the "Advanced" rules in the Applications
window, but for normal use this is not necessary!
 
In_Parentheses said:
Hi PT,

You will find out (or already did so) that SPF is fairly easy to
maintain; the only problem you could have is when you'd for instance like
to run an FTP-server from your system while the firewall is active; then
you would have to go into the "Advanced" rules in the Applications
window, but for normal use this is not necessary!
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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
 
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