MailWasher is crashing my system

[Jan Il]

Hi

Hi ;-)

Jan Il wrote:

[snip]

Just one last thing (please): could you post the link to the mozilla binary you
dl'ed?

I first downloaded the 1.5 version at http://www.mozilla.org/, but, it just
crashed my system when I tried to open it.

I'm sorry, in re-checking the download file, I found I mis-stated the
version before, it was the 1.0.2 that I subsequently downloaded at
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0.2.html and installed.

Oh! That's a tight spot . . . but 1.0.x is a year old! And has multiple
security 'issues', to-boot!

Oh...well...I didn't know that....but, then, I don't know anything at all
about Mozilla. The version said it would be compatible with ME.

If you ever do entertain using it again, go with (at least)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/

I will try the 1.4.1 as you suggest. I did see this version, but, was not
sure if it would be ok to use with ME.

[caveat: I'm a pseudo-amateur software-end-user . . . I've just been
"here-and-there", and "done that" more often than not ;-) ]

Hmm...'k...I promise I won't hold you responsible for any left turns I make
from a right turn lane only. But, f'I were you, I'd wouldn't want to be
driving on either side of me just in case. ;-))
!

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/stable.html

There are always 'Release Notes' available (installation instructions, system
requirements, what's new, and a list of known issues that you should review
before reporting a new bug).

Report a new bug? There's bugs? Ahmm..now..in keeping with the AV theme
and topics here, we've discussed migrating, emigrating and emanating worms,
maggots of the Advant artistic persuasion, and now....bugs. <sigh>

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/about.html

One thing I really love about mozilla.org is that every bug (and there /are/ a
lot of them) is in the open

Bugzilla?? Oh... well...yeah..guess that's pretty out in the open ok...
;-)))

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/guide/get-started.html#before-installin
g-mozilla
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.4.1/mozilla
-win32-1.4.1-installer.exe

You might be pleasantly surprised--both versions function in almost the exact
same manner.

Only problem (I think) is that certain plugins use the registry to get the info
on how to make their hooks.

Is this not good??

Exactly!

Glad to know that I was clear on that ....wasn't sure...

Precisely!

Good....never was that sure about hats...some areas are fussy about what
kind you wear after 5:00p ???

So, I get the feeling you're not a 'tinkerer' . . . ?

Well...yeah...sorta...kinda...to a degree...but.. only when I have an idea
of what I'm tinkering with. See...I don't do electrical, or digital cell
phones....all else is fair game. I tinker now and then with a new kind of
virus, Lego's..or my Gobot erector set (totally coool!)...yeah, things like
that..

Good plan.

Think I'll look at the Firebird more closely and compare. Kinda like a Limo
to a sports model..sorta...maybe...?

Be careful with that OE, though . . . .

'k...but, since I now have MailWasher, I actually don't use the OE for
anything more than my ng's, reading and sending e-mails, but, I only get the
e-mails I want now...I don't have to worry about the garbage anymore. ;-))

Aye; vetting's a good thing . . . especially since dl'ing a bunch of 143K emails
is a real bummer, at times.

My favo(u)rite vetter is pop3browser:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/pop3browser.html

but "Windows !=Debian", so . . . .

Don't know 'bout this...but...I'll check it out ;-)

Aye; same here. Pan (UNIX) gives me the same feelings . . . .


Same idea with anti-virus software: a person can have utter faith in their
mindfulness and restraint; but, in the end (especially when magnetic storage
media and precious digital content are concerned), it is good to have a pillow
on which to land.

All it takes is one, little mistake, and . . . BOOM!

I think that with all things, one really needs to consult the gray-matter
between the ears along with whatever electronic amour they may have in
effect. No matter what AV program one has, it will depend on making a human
decision at some point. Education truly is the very best defense. Even the
best AV program can't do the job right if they user does not know what to
tell it to do. Bummer....even one that could read my mind wouldn't be of
much help. But, tomorrow is another day...they could come up with a system
that could read my mind, then process the info and be able to determine what
it is I really mean.... ;-))

I think I do . . . I worked hard to get my BS from hardknocks.edu: yet, it
often takes making the same mistake three, or twelve, times for me to really
understand ;-)

Yeah...I understand...I also get a lot of BS from some of my mistakes too,
no matter how hard I try, and it seems I sometimes wind up making the same
mistakes a time or two. Really...twelve times...? Ahmm...maybe you should
read the directions first...??

Very interesting, indeed.

The Free version only supports one account (I have 9), but that seems
reasonable: if I wanted to actually 'use' it, I would need the Full version.

I may try it to see what it can do . . . worth a try, I guess ;-)

9?...you have 9 accounts? Do you have a cat?

<sigh>I can re-install Windows in my sleep, nowadays</sigh>

Hmm.....in your sleep? Well...that is a feat. I need at least 4 pots of
strong coffee, 1 white, 3 black and 2 Puce candles, 2 boxes of salt, and
1 red and one speckled chicken, in order to get Windows ME reinstalled with
all the patches, SP's, and the required needed, gotta haves, must haves and
Uncle Bills Critical updates. And, afterward when all comes up A-OK...a
large

Ever read "Neverending Story"? ". . . but that's another story, for

another day."

.....it's one of my favorites...
Jan

 

[Jan Il]

I forgot. I'll keep you in my prayers.

Thank you very much, I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness. Like many,
many others, we can sure use them all.

Jan

 

[ah]

Hi

Hi ;-)

Jan Il wrote:

[snip]

mozilla

There's bugs?

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/about.html

One thing I really love about mozilla.org is that every bug (and there

/are/ a lot of them) is in the open

Bugzilla?? Oh... well...yeah..guess that's pretty out in the open ok...
;-)))

http://bugzilla.mozila.org/

As good as Greek to an English-speaking-only individual . . . "bogged-down on
the details" would be a good description.

[snip]

Only problem (I think) is that certain plugins use the registry to get the info
on how to make their hooks.

Is this not good??

Well, if the plugin install-a-whatever knows where/what to find, it's good.

But, for example, SUN's JAVA won't find a version of Mozilla gotten from a .zip

[snip]

Exactly!

Glad to know that I was clear on that ....wasn't sure...

Well, it's not exactly about 'simplicity' (though there is some of that, wrt the
end-user 'experience', and for the software engineers): it's mostly about
"user-choice" . . . I know what you mean, though.

[snip]

Precisely!

Good....never was that sure about hats...some areas are fussy about what
kind you wear after 5:00p ???

Yes, probably so. And, some areas are fussy about hats, in general (like "if
you don't wear one, you're not one of 'us'")

[snip]

So, I get the feeling you're not a 'tinkerer' . . . ?

Well...yeah...sorta...kinda...to a degree...but.. only when I have an idea
of what I'm tinkering with. See...I don't do electrical, or digital cell
phones....all else is fair game. I tinker now and then with a new kind of
virus, Lego's..or my Gobot erector set (totally coool!)...yeah, things like
that..

Aye!

[YIP: "tinker now and then with a new kind of virus" . . . you /do/ like to
live dangerously!]

But, you don't get, for example, the urge to change some thing (or things) in
the Registry on a whim? Or (like I did, once): try installing some software in
a manner another individual suggested was a way to completely break the
usability of that piece of software?

Think I'll look at the Firebird more closely and compare. Kinda like a Limo
to a sports model..sorta...maybe...?

Indubitably!

Yet, the software is more of a 'developmental' model at this point in time,
relative to the Mozilla Suite (though Firebird is virtually a direct
replacement: no real problems noticed, so far).

Thunderbird is quite a bit more raw--I get erroneous functionality (roughly)
1-out-of-30 X.

'k...but, since I now have MailWasher, I actually don't use the OE for
anything more than my ng's, reading and sending e-mails, but, I only get the
e-mails I want now...I don't have to worry about the garbage anymore. ;-))

! And this scope has narrowed from what?

Does OE have an automatic back scratcher? ;-)

[snip]

Aye; vetting's a good thing . . . especially since dl'ing a bunch of 143K emails
is a real bummer, at times.

My favo(u)rite vetter is pop3browser:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/pop3browser.html

but "Windows !=Debian", so . . . .

Don't know 'bout this...but...I'll check it out ;-)

On a scale of "crawl; walk; run; jump; fly", I'd rate the change from Windows to
GNU/Linux (of which Debian is an extremely efficacious variant) to be in the
"jump; fly" range ;-)

Tread carefully, but (please) tread!

". . . but that's another story, for another day"

[snip]

Same idea with anti-virus software: a person can have utter faith in their
mindfulness and restraint; but, in the end (especially when magnetic storage
media and precious digital content are concerned), it is good to have a pillow
on which to land.

All it takes is one, little mistake, and . . . BOOM!

I think that with all things, one really needs to consult the gray-matter
between the ears along with whatever electronic amour they may have in
effect. No matter what AV program one has, it will depend on making a human
decision at some point. Education truly is the very best defense. Even the
best AV program can't do the job right if they user does not know what to
tell it to do. Bummer....even one that could read my mind wouldn't be of
much help. But, tomorrow is another day...they could come up with a system
that could read my mind, then process the info and be able to determine what
it is I really mean.... ;-))

Aye; I don't run 'stateful-inspection' AV, and scan my system (at most)
intermittently (still get just a notification on the few infected emails I
forgot to delete before scanning)--never been bitten, and have faith I never will.

I do use hardware+software and software firewall, and have the (Windows)
software one set to 'defiantly-paranoid' mode: nothing gets in/out without me
knowing.

And, I access the Internet with this Windows while in a very restricted User
account: whatever might get-by the first few lines of defense won't get far, at
all ;-)

[snip]

I worked hard to get my BS from hardknocks.edu: yet, it
often takes making the same mistake three, or twelve, times for me to really
understand ;-)

Yeah...I understand...I also get a lot of BS from some of my mistakes too,
no matter how hard I try, and it seems I sometimes wind up making the same
mistakes a time or two. Really...twelve times...? Ahmm...maybe you should
read the directions first...??

I cherish the really good mistakes--'directions' would ruin the effect ;-)

[snip]

Very interesting, indeed.

The Free version only supports one account (I have 9), but that seems
reasonable: if I wanted to actually 'use' it, I would need the Full version.

I may try it to see what it can do . . . worth a try, I guess ;-)

9?...you have 9 accounts?

Sure--one way to limit the crap I receive: two addys don't get used (because I
haven't sent anything with them, yet); one for family (only); two are for
'official' correspondence; one is for USENET (this one, though it's been
intentionally garbled, a bit); one is just an antonymical-analogue of this one
(for when I'm in a bad mood); two are for my webspace; and the other two are for
mailing lists.

I have about 6 more I could set-up, but there isn't a need, as yet.

Do you have a cat?

Not any longer--have had 10 over the years, but I'm taking a break for a while.

Hmm.....in your sleep?

Sure--Windows is kinda cool, but it gets boring, after a while . . . .

Well...that is a feat. I need at least 4 pots of
strong coffee, 1 white, 3 black and 2 Puce candles, 2 boxes of salt, and
1 red and one speckled chicken, in order to get Windows ME reinstalled with
all the patches, SP's, and the required needed, gotta haves, must haves and
Uncle Bills Critical updates. And, afterward when all comes up A-OK...a
large
glass of wine. <g>

Oh! I haven't tried it with the speckled chicken, or wine . . . I'll try adding
those, next time ;-)

another day."

....it's one of my favorites...

Should have guessed!

Have fun; and keep-away from the fires . . . .

 

[Jan Il]

Hi,

[snip]

mozilla

There's bugs?

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/about.html

One thing I really love about mozilla.org is that every bug (and there

/are/ a lot of them) is in the open

Bugzilla?? Oh... well...yeah..guess that's pretty out in the open ok...
;-)))

http://bugzilla.mozila.org/

As good as Greek to an English-speaking-only individual . . . "bogged-down on
the details" would be a good description.

That was the feeling I got..kinda...bodgey...

[snip]

Only problem (I think) is that certain plugins use the registry to get the info
on how to make their hooks.

Is this not good??

Well, if the plugin install-a-whatever knows where/what to find, it's good.

But, for example, SUN's JAVA won't find a version of Mozilla gotten from a

..zip

I see...that's kinda once-sided.

[snip]

And...so... if I used these programs I would then need one of the other
pieces of software to go with what I already have to do the job that the
software I already have will do on it's own even though I don't have the
other software? 'k...I see....

Exactly!

Glad to know that I was clear on that ....wasn't sure...

Well, it's not exactly about 'simplicity' (though there is some of that, wrt the
end-user 'experience', and for the software engineers): it's mostly about
"user-choice" . . . I know what you mean, though.

Guess it would boil down to the level of experience of the user as to how
well it does or does not work.

[snip]

I see..then I would then need these other pieces of software to do all the
other jobs that the one wazoolie program I have would not do by itself
because it can't wear all the hats at once. Right? Well...that's clear
enough.

Precisely!

Good....never was that sure about hats...some areas are fussy about what
kind you wear after 5:00p ???

Yes, probably so. And, some areas are fussy about hats, in general (like "if
you don't wear one, you're not one of 'us'")

Oh yeah...been there too....still get it out here some...seems they don't
care for my Southern accent. Dang...that really cuts me to the quick...;-))

[snip]

If it's not broken, it obviously needs fixing.

So, I get the feeling you're not a 'tinkerer' . . . ?

Well...yeah...sorta...kinda...to a degree...but.. only when I have an idea
of what I'm tinkering with. See...I don't do electrical, or digital cell
phones....all else is fair game. I tinker now and then with a new kind of
virus, Lego's..or my Gobot erector set (totally coool!)...yeah, things like
that..

Aye!

[YIP: "tinker now and then with a new kind of virus" . . . you /do/ like to
live dangerously!]

Well...just on my test PC..and, as long as you avoid the stinger, they're
pretty docile. I have never been bitten.....yet. But, I only look at the
really odd ones.. ;-).

But, you don't get, for example, the urge to change some thing (or things) in
the Registry on a whim? Or (like I did, once): try installing some software in
a manner another individual suggested was a way to completely break the
usability of that piece of software?

Oh no! ....I'd be too afraid to mess with anything in the Registry without
specific instructions from someone who really knew what they were doing.
See, tinkering is one thing, total destuction is another.. you really did
that?? But, for some reason, I don't get hardly any lately.

Ah..good!

Yet, the software is more of a 'developmental' model at this point in time,
relative to the Mozilla Suite (though Firebird is virtually a direct
replacement: no real problems noticed, so far).

Thunderbird is quite a bit more raw--I get erroneous functionality (roughly)
1-out-of-30 X.

'k...I'll just deal with one bird at a time...

;-))

! And this scope has narrowed from what?

Over 200 or more. I only download about 15 or so e-mails a day now that I
can control which ones I want, compared to 200 or more that I had to deal
with after they got downloaded. The MW filters code or 'check' the messages
according to the filters in place and then I all Ihave to do is scan them
and keep the ones I want other then the ones I have in the Friends list,
then just delete all the rest.

Does OE have an automatic back scratcher? ;-)

I don't think so, at least I haven't found that feature yet. Guess they
decided to leave some things up to user personal choice. ;-))

[snip]

When MailWasher signals that I have e-mails, I can review the list of
e-mails before they are downloaded and delete the ones I don't want
from the server

Aye; vetting's a good thing . . . especially since dl'ing a bunch of 143K emails
is a real bummer, at times.

My favo(u)rite vetter is pop3browser:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/pop3browser.html

but "Windows !=Debian", so . . . .

Don't know 'bout this...but...I'll check it out ;-)

On a scale of "crawl; walk; run; jump; fly", I'd rate the change from Windows to
GNU/Linux (of which Debian is an extremely efficacious variant) to be in the
"jump; fly" range ;-)

Well...with all the accounts you have, I would say that you would need
something that would have some get-along..

Tread carefully, but (please) tread!

". . . but that's another story, for another day"

....'k....guess I better be sure to wear my tennies...

[snip]

Let me say, though: OE is not evil (or, at-root, 'bad') . . . it's just that
its 'default settings' and notoriety facilitate a lot of unwanted attention from
malignant forces . . . .

Yes..I will agree that this seems to be the case, as I have done some
extensive research on this and the OE Rules. I can just feel those here
cringing that you mentioned this <g>, so I won't go into details, but, I
understand what you are saying in this regard and agree. ;-))

Same idea with anti-virus software: a person can have utter faith in their
mindfulness and restraint; but, in the end (especially when magnetic storage
media and precious digital content are concerned), it is good to have a pillow
on which to land.

All it takes is one, little mistake, and . . . BOOM!

I think that with all things, one really needs to consult the gray-matter
between the ears along with whatever electronic amour they may have in
effect. No matter what AV program one has, it will depend on making a human
decision at some point. Education truly is the very best defense. Even the
best AV program can't do the job right if they user does not know what to
tell it to do. Bummer....even one that could read my mind wouldn't be of
much help. But, tomorrow is another day...they could come up with a system
that could read my mind, then process the info and be able to determine what
it is I really mean.... ;-))

Aye; I don't run 'stateful-inspection' AV, and scan my system (at most)
intermittently (still get just a notification on the few infected emails I
forgot to delete before scanning)--never been bitten, and have faith I never will.

I do use hardware+software and software firewall, and have the (Windows)
software one set to 'defiantly-paranoid' mode: nothing gets in/out without me
knowing.

And, I access the Internet with this Windows while in a very restricted User
account: whatever might get-by the first few lines of defense won't get far, at
all ;-)

Many people don't use AV or set OE Rules...or whatever, and seem to have no
problems with Swens 'n Spams, or types of vermin...others have several, and
still get flooded. Hard to figure..

[snip]

I worked hard to get my BS from hardknocks.edu: yet, it
often takes making the same mistake three, or twelve, times for me to really
understand ;-)

Yeah...I understand...I also get a lot of BS from some of my mistakes too,
no matter how hard I try, and it seems I sometimes wind up making the same
mistakes a time or two. Really...twelve times...? Ahmm...maybe you should
read the directions first...??

I cherish the really good mistakes--'directions' would ruin the effect ;-)

[snip]

http://www.mailwasher.net/

Very interesting, indeed.

The Free version only supports one account (I have 9), but that seems
reasonable: if I wanted to actually 'use' it, I would need the Full version.

I may try it to see what it can do . . . worth a try, I guess ;-)

9?...you have 9 accounts?

Sure--one way to limit the crap I receive: two addys don't get used (because I
haven't sent anything with them, yet); one for family (only); two are for
'official' correspondence; one is for USENET (this one, though it's been
intentionally garbled, a bit); one is just an antonymical-analogue of this one
(for when I'm in a bad mood); two are for my webspace; and the other two are for
mailing lists.

I have about 6 more I could set-up, but there isn't a need, as yet.

I could never keep track of all that....I have trouble keeping track of just
me from day to day...

Not any longer--have had 10 over the years, but I'm taking a break for a

while.

I see...I just thought that, along with your 9 lives you probably had a
cat... hee hee hee...

Sure--Windows is kinda cool, but it gets boring, after a while . . . .

I get the feeling it feels that way about me...and when it gets too bored

Oh! I haven't tried it with the speckled chicken, or wine . . . I'll try adding
those, next time ;-)

LOL! I've even had the throw in the 'Chicken Dance' a time or two to solve
some really hard problems. But, it must have done the trick, as it suddenly
started working properly??

Should have guessed!

Have fun; and keep-away from the fires . . . .

I'll try.... ;-)

Jan

 

[Jan Il]

Hi

[snip all]

Just a follow-up on the Firebird;

I have installed the Firebird 0.7 and so far it is working in a friendly
manner. I also have all my 'Favorites' from IE available (Bookmarks), and
have made some customizations (themes, toolbars, etc.) and installed some
extensions. The UI is ok, but, it will take some getting used to. Still too
new yet. Me, not it. ;-)) Don't like the home page though, no, I don't
like it at all.

But, no crashes so far, and I have put it through some of the things that
caused problems before. Help & support looks promising.

One thing I found that I *really* do like, is it blocks those dang
advertising pop-ups that drive me crazy (well...even more so than usual). I
don't have the constant ad windows opening up every time I go to a new
screen on the Internet, or popping up in my face every time I click
something. *That* if nothing else is a winner for me. Several other pluses,
like Skywatcher. Privacy features seem to be pretty good too, but, have
only set up the basics yet.

So far, so good...

Thank you for all your help and information.

Jan

 

[null]

Hi

[snip all]

Just a follow-up on the Firebird;

I have installed the Firebird 0.7 and so far it is working in a friendly
manner. I also have all my 'Favorites' from IE available (Bookmarks), and
have made some customizations (themes, toolbars, etc.) and installed some
extensions. The UI is ok, but, it will take some getting used to. Still too
new yet. Me, not it. ;-)) Don't like the home page though, no, I don't
like it at all.

Tools - Options -General
Type in the url you want.

But, no crashes so far, and I have put it through some of the things that
caused problems before. Help & support looks promising.

One thing I found that I *really* do like, is it blocks those dang
advertising pop-ups that drive me crazy

I like to use a proxy that has ad blocking (and other stuff) as well.
I use Privoxy:

http://www.privoxy.org/

There's a setting you have to make in your browser to use a proxy
server. In Firebird it's in the same place as above but you click
Connections. Then select Manual proxy configuration. Under HTTP proxy
you type localhost. Under Port you type in 8118 for Privoxy. Others
are likely to be different but they supply the info you need.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Art!

Hi

[snip all]

Just a follow-up on the Firebird;

I have installed the Firebird 0.7 and so far it is working in a friendly
manner. I also have all my 'Favorites' from IE available (Bookmarks), and
have made some customizations (themes, toolbars, etc.) and installed some
extensions. The UI is ok, but, it will take some getting used to. Still too
new yet. Me, not it. ;-)) Don't like the home page though, no, I don't
like it at all.

Tools - Options -General
Type in the url you want.

'k....good. Don't know any right off, other than MSN...phwuk! Wish they

I like to use a proxy that has ad blocking (and other stuff) as well.
I use Privoxy:

http://www.privoxy.org/

There's a setting you have to make in your browser to use a proxy
server. In Firebird it's in the same place as above but you click
Connections. Then select Manual proxy configuration. Under HTTP proxy
you type localhost. Under Port you type in 8118 for Privoxy. Others
are likely to be different but they supply the info you need.

Yeah..I did see that setting while I was sightseeing around in the Tools
part. Haven't ever used that before...I'll check it out and see how it
works.

Thank you for the added information, I really do appreciate it.

Jan

 

[mhagen]

snip>

Thank you very much, I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness. Like many,
many others, we can sure use them all.

Jan

This thread is being pursued with energy on alt.forestry. by some who
know what's going on and many who need to. Come on over!

 

[ah]

Hi,

[snip]

mozilla

There's bugs?

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bugzilla/about.html

One thing I really love about mozilla.org is that every bug (and there
/are/ a lot of them) is in the open

Bugzilla?? Oh... well...yeah..guess that's pretty out in the open ok...
;-)))

http://bugzilla.mozila.org/

As good as Greek to an English-speaking-only individual . . . "bogged-down on
the details" would be a good description.

That was the feeling I got..kinda...bodgey...

A bit difficult to navigate, at first (and the few dozen times after that), but
it is essential in the bug-reporting process--no need to make the developers
pour-over another 'report' on how something doesn't function as expected ;-)

[snip]

Only problem (I think) is that certain plugins use the registry to get the info
on how to make their hooks.

Is this not good??

Well, if the plugin install-a-whatever knows where/what to find, it's good.

But, for example, SUN's JAVA won't find a version of Mozilla gotten from a

.zip

I see...that's kinda once-sided.

Well, I think that was the rationale for the Registry--centralize these sorts of
things so everything doesn't eclecticize the system into dis-functionality.

Works 99-11/25 of the time . . . .

[snip]

And...so... if I used these programs I would then need one of the other
pieces of software to go with what I already have to do the job that the
software I already have will do on it's own even though I don't have the
other software? 'k...I see....

Exactly!

Glad to know that I was clear on that ....wasn't sure...

Well, it's not exactly about 'simplicity' (though there is some of that, wrt the
end-user 'experience', and for the software engineers): it's mostly about
"user-choice" . . . I know what you mean, though.

Guess it would boil down to the level of experience of the user as to how
well it does or does not work.

Expectations can be a show-stopper!

[snip]

I see..then I would then need these other pieces of software to do all the
other jobs that the one wazoolie program I have would not do by itself
because it can't wear all the hats at once. Right? Well...that's clear
enough.

Precisely!

Good....never was that sure about hats...some areas are fussy about what
kind you wear after 5:00p ???

Yes, probably so. And, some areas are fussy about hats, in general (like "if
you don't wear one, you're not one of 'us'")

Oh yeah...been there too....still get it out here some...seems they don't
care for my Southern accent. Dang...that really cuts me to the quick...;-))

Well, there's "Been around the Block", "Been around the Big Block", and "Been
around the Big Blockheads" ;-)

Do what you need to do, and don't worry about not taking names

[snip]

If it's not broken, it obviously needs fixing.

So, I get the feeling you're not a 'tinkerer' . . . ?

Well...yeah...sorta...kinda...to a degree...but.. only when I have an idea
of what I'm tinkering with. See...I don't do electrical, or digital cell
phones....all else is fair game. I tinker now and then with a new kind of
virus, Lego's..or my Gobot erector set (totally coool!)...yeah, things like
that..

Aye!

[YIP: "tinker now and then with a new kind of virus" . . . you /do/ like to
live dangerously!]

Well...just on my test PC..and, as long as you avoid the stinger, they're
pretty docile. I have never been bitten.....yet. But, I only look at the
really odd ones.. ;-).

L! Nice image.

Oh no! ....I'd be too afraid to mess with anything in the Registry without
specific instructions from someone who really knew what they were doing.
See, tinkering is one thing, total destuction is another..

Well, there's a plethora (and-some) of info out there on what can be (needs to
be, and what shouldn't be) done with the registry--not nearly "Final-FAQ"
material, but enough to to ensure proper operation.

you really did that??

Aye; someone posed a dilemma at our "shared-resource" about not being able to
install to a Mount Point (kinda like a Shortcut--the System can use a Folder to
define the access-point to a disk Volume)--I was able to duplicate the dilemma,
but was (also) able to, roughly, solve the problem (it was not an ideal
sitiation, but I got things working the second time I did the process).

But, for some reason, I don't get hardly any lately.

Viruses, I presume?

Ah..good!

Feeling experimental again, I see . . . .

[snip]

! And this scope has narrowed from what?

Over 200 or more. I only download about 15 or so e-mails a day now that I
can control which ones I want, compared to 200 or more that I had to deal
with after they got downloaded. The MW filters code or 'check' the messages
according to the filters in place and then I all Ihave to do is scan them
and keep the ones I want other then the ones I have in the Friends list,
then just delete all the rest.

L! You're getting all serious on me. . . you said, "since I now have
MailWasher, I actually don't use the OE for anything more than my ng's, reading
and sending e-mails", and I thought "What did she use it for before?" ;-)

I was getting (roughly) a Swen a minute back when it first bust onto the scene,
but I get about two a day, now. I post to newsgroups with a valid addy on an
off-and-on basis . . . for the time being, I'll keep the domain re-deranged.

I don't think so, at least I haven't found that feature yet. Guess they
decided to leave some things up to user personal choice. ;-))

Uh, yeah: sure! ;-)

[snip]

When MailWasher signals that I have e-mails, I can review the list of
e-mails before they are downloaded and delete the ones I don't want
from the server

Aye; vetting's a good thing . . . especially since dl'ing a bunch of 143K emails
is a real bummer, at times.

My favo(u)rite vetter is pop3browser:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/pop3browser.html

but "Windows !=Debian", so . . . .

Don't know 'bout this...but...I'll check it out ;-)

On a scale of "crawl; walk; run; jump; fly", I'd rate the change from Windows to
GNU/Linux (of which Debian is an extremely efficacious variant) to be in the
"jump; fly" range ;-)

Well...with all the accounts you have, I would say that you would need
something that would have some get-along..

With a GUI, it's not really that different from the win32 experience--and
Mozilla there is the same as Mozilla, here!

...'k....guess I better be sure to wear my tennies...

High-tops are recommended . . . .

[snip]

Many people don't use AV or set OE Rules...or whatever, and seem to have no
problems with Swens 'n Spams, or types of vermin...others have several, and
still get flooded. Hard to figure..

I think it's tied to Updates and Hotfixes . . . some don't patch, and some do.

It (surely) can't be a matter of pure luck.

[snip]

I worked hard to get my BS from hardknocks.edu: yet, it
often takes making the same mistake three, or twelve, times for me to really
understand ;-)

Yeah...I understand...I also get a lot of BS from some of my mistakes too,
no matter how hard I try, and it seems I sometimes wind up making the same
mistakes a time or two. Really...twelve times...? Ahmm...maybe you should
read the directions first...??

I cherish the really good mistakes--'directions' would ruin the effect ;-)

And the fun....<vbg>

Of which, a total re-install of Windows in not ;-)

[snip]

9?...you have 9 accounts?

Sure--one way to limit the crap I receive

I could never keep track of all that....I have trouble keeping track of just
me from day to day...

Oh, you could, if you did: 9 is no different than 1 (with
filter-to-a-separate-folder rules). It actually makes things much easier to
maintain.

Just don't forget the passwords!

I see...I just thought that, along with your 9 lives you probably had a
cat... hee hee hee...

Sorry--the funny got covered with the "reality-overspill" . . . I miss my
long-lost friends . . . ;-\

Moot, anyway, as my current residence has a pet-prohibition . . . .

I get the feeling it feels that way about me...and when it gets too bored
with me, it just pitches a hissy fit just for GP. <g>

Windows is a rather-smart OS, but it does like to make decisions on its own, at
times (sometimes the wrong ones).

LOL! I've even had the throw in the 'Chicken Dance' a time or two to solve
some really hard problems. But, it must have done the trick, as it suddenly
started working properly??

Maybe the vibrations from the floor through to the motherboard?

I'll try.... ;-)

Good!

Until we type again . . . .

 

[Jan Il]

mhagen,

snip>

This thread is being pursued with energy on alt.forestry. by some who
know what's going on and many who need to. Come on over!

Thank you very much for this information, although I personally have seen,
heard and experienced enough for now. My folks and I are finally out of
danger, and yesteday was the first time since last Sat. that we could go
outside, and actually breathe fresh air. Yesterday was also my birthday,
and for the first time in my life.....my Birthday Wish came true. Think
I'll just leave it there for now.

But, you are right, there are still so many who should be keeping a vigil,
and those who might like to see what this Mother of all Fires has done, and
is still doing, to their friends, relatives, neighbors and fellow citizens,
to say nothing of the place we all call home, the San Diego area. To see
those who came here from near, and far, to help in our hour of most horrific
need. Who left their families and loved ones to risk their lives to help
people they don't even know. And, all those who have ultimately paid the
highest price.

I do encourage others to stay alert, it isn't over yet for many, and I know
how fast it can raise it's monsterous head again....and try again to have
the last hurrah!

God bless, and my prayers go out to all those who have suffered far more
than we, and are still facing this horrible disaster.

Jan

 

[Jan Il]

[snip non-essentials]

.......and so it's off topic....so what else is new????

Sorry--the funny got covered with the "reality-overspill" . . . I miss my
long-lost friends . . . ;-\

Andrew, I'm truly very sorry....I didn't mean to seem insensitive. I too am
a cat person and I've had cats all my life. My last was a wise and loving
Siamese, and he lived to be 17 years old. He helped see me through a lot of
very tough times raising my kids alone, and just before he died, he helped
me get through the death of my son from a very rare, vicious form of cancer
in 1998, which literally ate him alive. There was no one else there for me.
So yeah...I really do understand.

Please forgive my foolish pun.

Jan

 

[ah]

[snip non-essentials]

......and so it's off topic....so what else is new????

Sorry--the funny got covered with the "reality-overspill" . . . I miss my
long-lost friends . . . ;-\

Andrew, I'm truly very sorry....I didn't mean to seem insensitive. I too am
a cat person and I've had cats all my life. My last was a wise and loving
Siamese, and he lived to be 17 years old. He helped see me through a lot of
very tough times raising my kids alone, and just before he died, he helped
me get through the death of my son from a very rare, vicious form of cancer
in 1998, which literally ate him alive. There was no one else there for me.
So yeah...I really do understand.

Please forgive my foolish pun.

Nay! Verily! It is not the stepper who should be responsible for the trodding
upon of toes: it is the owner of the toes who should me mindful about where
their toes are! ;-)

But, catz and children are at a much disparate level of responsibility--I can't
imagine having a child to protect . . . it's difficult enough remembering to
take the trash out, or chastize myself for tracking mud into the house . . . .

Thanks for the sharing (though it was entirely unnecessary)--I'm glad things are
better.

[coming back to group-topic-validity]

After having three catz die from (viral) feline leukemia, I decided that I had
better just reassess the situation.

Ah, how can we protect the delicate things in life from getting infected?

Won't someone make an anti-virus monitor for animals and humans? ;-)

 

[Heather]

After having three catz die from (viral) feline leukemia, I decided that I had
better just reassess the situation.

Ah, how can we protect the delicate things in life from getting infected?

Won't someone make an anti-virus monitor for animals and humans? ;-)

Pardon me for butting in, but there has been a shot for feline leukemia
for many, many years........my dad was a veterinarian, but not a cat and
dog one. However, I have had cats for 35 years and they all get the
annual shots which used to be just distemper and rabies......but are now
about 6 or more diseases.

Speak to your vet. Your cats should have had that shot. Particularly
if others died of it. Distemper lives on in the house for a while, for
instance. Not leukemia though, to my knowledge.

Heather

 

[ah]

Pardon me for butting in,

No pardons necessary!

but there has been a shot for feline leukemia
for many, many years........my dad was a veterinarian, but not a cat and
dog one. However, I have had cats for 35 years and they all get the
annual shots which used to be just distemper and rabies......but are now
about 6 or more diseases.

Aye, it's so: and effective, from what I've heard.

Speak to your vet. Your cats should have had that shot. Particularly
if others died of it. Distemper lives on in the house for a while, for
instance. Not leukemia though, to my knowledge.

Ah, I was told by a vet (at the time) that FeLV has a residual presence of about
6mo . . . may have been a "to be on the safe side of things" admonishment, but
it was good advice, considering the transmission probabilities.

The affected cats were adopted from a shelter, and one of them was the vector
for the other two . . . not known until too late ;-\

They were happy for quite a while, at least . . . .