Mad Hatter Has Some Xeon Questions!

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now it's got a 24pin and an 8 pin
power connector on the board. Now apparently there are DUAL Xeon power supplies and then just
regular Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the single Xeon power supply in the
DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8 pin connector? Further, just what does that 8 pin
connector do?

Next question, I bought an MSI E7505 Server/Workstation motherboard. Now the documentation that
comes with the board says that it'll handle PC2100 and PC1600. So my question is, can I use, oh say
PC3200 memory in this system or ONLY PC2100 and 1600?

Any help and or insight is greatly appreciated...well...but I'm still going to send each and every
one of you filthy little bastards to hell...STRAIGHT TO HELL! o_O

 

[Mimic]

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now it's got a 24pin and an 8 pin
power connector on the board. Now apparently there are DUAL Xeon power supplies and then just
regular Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the single Xeon power supply in the
DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8 pin connector? Further, just what does that 8 pin
connector do?

Next question, I bought an MSI E7505 Server/Workstation motherboard. Now the documentation that
comes with the board says that it'll handle PC2100 and PC1600. So my question is, can I use, oh say
PC3200 memory in this system or ONLY PC2100 and 1600?

Any help and or insight is greatly appreciated...well...but I'm still going to send each and every
one of you filthy little bastards to hell...STRAIGHT TO HELL! o_O

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blah dunno, but i know HostGater.com run dual xeon servers, might not be
a bad idea to ask them

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[Green Dappled Monotremata]

Stalking me again (in article <faob70p2anvub3oaqfa4uqbl2nbf1olmae@farfoos>),

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now it's
got a 24pin and an 8 pin
power connector on the board. Now apparently there are DUAL Xeon power
supplies and then just
regular Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the
single Xeon power supply in the
DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8 pin connector?

Try it and see.

Further, just
what does that 8 pin
connector do?

It supplies extra power.

Next question, I bought an MSI E7505 Server/Workstation motherboard.
Now the documentation that
comes with the board says that it'll handle PC2100 and PC1600. So my
question is, can I use, oh say
PC3200 memory in this system or ONLY PC2100 and 1600?
Yes.

Any help and or insight is greatly appreciated...well...but I'm still
going to send each and every
one of you filthy little bastards to hell...STRAIGHT TO HELL! o_O

Yawn.

OK, so I've got two SiI 0680s in the box, master on each channel, vinum
RAID 1+0. Accessing all four disks gives me problems; two at a time is
just fine. Are there concurrency problems with this chip and FreeBSD 4?

I might as well ask here. No-one can -ever- answer my questions.

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[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Stalking me again (in article <faob70p2anvub3oaqfa4uqbl2nbf1olmae@farfoos>),

Try it and see.

The system fans come on and nothing else...but it could be the memory that's preventing it from
booting up...unfortunetly I don't have a D-Bracket2 to test.

It supplies extra power.


Yes.

Yes I can ONLY use PC2100 and 1600 or yes I can use PC3200?

Yawn.

OK, so I've got two SiI 0680s in the box, master on each channel, vinum
RAID 1+0. Accessing all four disks gives me problems; two at a time is
just fine. Are there concurrency problems with this chip and FreeBSD 4?

I might as well ask here. No-one can -ever- answer my questions.

Haven't done anything with RAID yet, sorry (don't really have the money to play with teh more
spensive equipment). *sigh*

 

[Green Dappled Monotremata]

Stalking me again (in article <2crb70l9qhb5lsl63c2jbo1i5alscf12pp@farfoos>),

The system fans come on and nothing else...but it could be the memory
that's preventing it from
booting up...unfortunetly I don't have a D-Bracket2 to test.

If it was a memory problem, you'd get beeps, surely?

Some mobos need extra power. I don't think it matters if it comes from
dual or single PSUs.

Yes I can ONLY use PC2100 and 1600 or yes I can use PC3200?

Yep.

You can normally use faster memory than the mobo supports, NP, it'll just
clock it slower.

Haven't done anything with RAID yet, sorry (don't really have the money
to play with teh more
spensive equipment). *sigh*

See what I mean? As a fellow superhuman you should appreciate my problems.

If -I- can't figure it out, there's precious few ****ers who can. I wish I
knew where they hang.

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[Mimic]

The system fans come on and nothing else...but it could be the memory that's preventing it from
booting up...unfortunetly I don't have a D-Bracket2 to test.

## YOu should get bios beep codes for memory errors/faults

Yes I can ONLY use PC2100 and 1600 or yes I can use PC3200?

## Generally everything will be down clocked to the slowest part.
like when you stick 133 and 100 [sd] in a board it will down clock the
133 to 100, i dunno if you can mix ddr speeds though.

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[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Stalking me again (in article <2crb70l9qhb5lsl63c2jbo1i5alscf12pp@farfoos>),


If it was a memory problem, you'd get beeps, surely?

Well, that's why I wasn't really sure. The strange thing, and I dunno if it's normal or not, but
when I plug a power cord into the power supply, even when it's not connected to the machine in any
way...the lil fan starts goin. o_O

The other thing is that the power button, when it's hooked up to the motherboard, it'll turn
everything on...but then it won't in any way shut it off, I have to pull the power cord directly.

And even further, I have an Aerogate 2 and if I hook it up, it flashes, makes a nasty beep noise and
then shuts the system down and won't let you even try to turn it on again until you unplug the power
cord and plug it back in...the only problem is the stupid Aerogate, like most EVERYTHING else I got,
didn't come with jack shit for documentation. *sigh*

I feel like I'm playing computer roulette. Should I buy more memory or should I buy another power
supply? And if I buy another power supply should I buy a dual xeon or a standard xeon?

Some mobos need extra power. I don't think it matters if it comes from
dual or single PSUs.

No, no, no, I don't mean dual power supplies, I mean that Xeon power supplies come with one 24 pin
connector and "dual Xeon" power supplies come with one 24 pin connector and an 8 pin connector. In
the motherboard manual it says the 8 pin connector supplies power to the CPUs, but then I talked to
some other people online and they seemed to think that you could use just the 24 pin connector and
the 8 pin was just extra, you didn't HAVE to have it...but then I don't know if any of those people
have ACTUALLY built any dual Xeon systems so...uh...yeah. o_O

Yep.

You can normally use faster memory than the mobo supports, NP, it'll just
clock it slower.

I see, that makes sense.

See what I mean? As a fellow superhuman you should appreciate my problems.

Oh believe me, I do. I called EVERY computer repair and sales joint in the entire trifuckingcounty
area and only ONE single person has even touched a Xeon system...and it wasn't a dual setup. *rolls
eyes*

And it's like I e-mailed MSI, the manufacturer of the board to try and get some answers from
them...*shakes head*...yeah, I might as well be sending e-mails to the president asking him to stop
being so God damn ****ing stupid all the time.

If -I- can't figure it out, there's precious few ****ers who can. I wish I
knew where they hang.

The biggest problem I've found is with people who won't admit that they don't know. Sometimes I
just feel like whacking those people and telling them, "IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING!".
Cause most of em are more inclined to give false or made up information rather than just tell you
straight that they've never even worked on such a system before.

 

[S.Heenan]

OK, so I've got two SiI 0680s in the box, master on each channel,
vinum RAID 1+0. Accessing all four disks gives me problems; two at a
time is
just fine. Are there concurrency problems with this chip and FreeBSD
4?

The Vinum mailing list might be a good place to start since your question is
rather esoteric. I believe the answer to your question lays in a limitation
in the ATA/ATAPI-6 interface rather than the Vinum RAID implementation.

www.t13.org

 

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

The Vinum mailing list might be a good place to start since your question is
rather esoteric. I believe the answer to your question lays in a limitation
in the ATA/ATAPI-6 interface rather than the Vinum RAID implementation.

www.t13.org

Now ya see, that's what I love about this group, people who know what the **** they're talkin about.
Not only that, but most of the regs got that lovely ego and arrogant streak to em as well...just
like me! ^_^

But hey, don't be sneckin the froup line there, Mr. Sheenanigans! Learn to share! SHARE DAMMIT!
DO IT NOW!

 

[S.Heenan]

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now
it's got a 24pin and an 8 pin power connector on the board. Now
apparently there are DUAL Xeon power supplies and then just regular
Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the single
Xeon power supply in the DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8
pin connector? Further, just what does that 8 pin connector do?

According to MSI, the E7505 Master2-F (MS-9141) will work with a common
ATX12V power supply, which I find very hard to believe. The manual calls for
an EPS 12V, with both the 24 and 8pin connectors. The E7505
Master-LS2(MS-9121-050) requires an SSI/EPS 12V

Here's the one you want. Use both connectors, as the 8-pin connector
provides much needed +12V to the processors.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-918&depa=1

 

[Iceman]

Well, that's why I wasn't really sure. The strange thing, and I dunno if it's normal or not, but
when I plug a power cord into the power supply, even when it's not connected to the machine in any
way...the lil fan starts goin. o_O

The other thing is that the power button, when it's hooked up to the motherboard, it'll turn
everything on...but then it won't in any way shut it off, I have to pull the power cord directly.

And even further, I have an Aerogate 2 and if I hook it up, it flashes, makes a nasty beep noise and
then shuts the system down and won't let you even try to turn it on again until you unplug the power
cord and plug it back in...the only problem is the stupid Aerogate, like most EVERYTHING else I got,
didn't come with jack shit for documentation. *sigh*

I feel like I'm playing computer roulette. Should I buy more memory or should I buy another power
supply? And if I buy another power supply should I buy a dual xeon or a standard xeon?


No, no, no, I don't mean dual power supplies, I mean that Xeon power supplies come with one 24 pin
connector and "dual Xeon" power supplies come with one 24 pin connector and an 8 pin connector. In
the motherboard manual it says the 8 pin connector supplies power to the CPUs, but then I talked to
some other people online and they seemed to think that you could use just the 24 pin connector and
the 8 pin was just extra, you didn't HAVE to have it...but then I don't know if any of those people
have ACTUALLY built any dual Xeon systems so...uh...yeah. o_O



I see, that makes sense.



Oh believe me, I do. I called EVERY computer repair and sales joint in the entire trifuckingcounty
area and only ONE single person has even touched a Xeon system...and it wasn't a dual setup. *rolls
eyes*

And it's like I e-mailed MSI, the manufacturer of the board to try and get some answers from
them...*shakes head*...yeah, I might as well be sending e-mails to the president asking him to stop
being so God damn ****ing stupid all the time.


The biggest problem I've found is with people who won't admit that they don't know. Sometimes I
just feel like whacking those people and telling them, "IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING!".
Cause most of em are more inclined to give false or made up information rather than just tell you
straight that they've never even worked on such a system before.

Sad thing is I knew why and what the extra connection was for and hoped
that reading the posts would remind me. Sumptin bout SCSI is runnin thru
my haid. Mebbe it'll come back to me before someone gives you and answer.

Did you try looking for the manual? You might also try checking Intel's
site. I know they used the same type connections on their Mb's.

However, as I recall most of the time I never used the extra connectors as
most systems did not need it for what they were using the servers for.

 

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Sad thing is I knew why and what the extra connection was for and hoped
that reading the posts would remind me. Sumptin bout SCSI is runnin thru
my haid. Mebbe it'll come back to me before someone gives you and answer.

Did you try looking for the manual? You might also try checking Intel's
site. I know they used the same type connections on their Mb's.

However, as I recall most of the time I never used the extra connectors as
most systems did not need it for what they were using the servers for.

^_^

Boy lemme tell ya something about MSI...DAAAAMMMMNNN! Now there's a company with some customer
service. I e-mailed them earlier, sometime in the late afternoon and they ACTUALLY e-mailed me
back! Not only that, but they e-mailed me back within like FOUR HOURS! o_O

Turns out, the memory is definetly NOT the problem, faster memory will work just peachy with the
7505s and it is indeed the power supply, you MUST have both the 24 and 8 pin connector or it simply
isn't gonna work. So, I ordered a Antec True550 EPS12V 550W power supply, which should get here on
Monday or Tuesday and then WOO HOO, new system will be fully operational! That's no moon...IT'S A
SPACE STATION! `, )

 

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

According to MSI, the E7505 Master2-F (MS-9141) will work with a common
ATX12V power supply, which I find very hard to believe. The manual calls for
an EPS 12V, with both the 24 and 8pin connectors. The E7505
Master-LS2(MS-9121-050) requires an SSI/EPS 12V

Here's the one you want. Use both connectors, as the 8-pin connector
provides much needed +12V to the processors.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-918&depa=1

OOOooo...dammit, I could have saved $2! Wait, where does NewEgg ship from? CA? Hrmmm...oh well,
it's only $2...considering I've already spent $40 on a P4 power supply (the company was like
especially stupid and told me it would work just great in a Xeon system) and then I went and bought
a second power supply, which only cost $20 (and that probably should have been my first clue that it
wasn't what I needed) but then it only had the 24 pin connector. But this time, oh yeah, got a
thumbs up directly from MSI on teh Antec550 model so it should be peachy.

Thanks for everybodys help though, if anything we have justly created a nice reference in Google for
anyone who searches for MSI E7505 Server Workstation motherboards! ^_^

 

[Mimic]

The other thing is that the power button, when it's hooked up to the motherboard, it'll turn
everything on...but then it won't in any way shut it off, I have to pull

the power cord directly.

## You tried holding the power switch in for X seconds (3-8ish) ? cuz some
machines
end up being set to hibe or standby on shutdown.

I feel like I'm playing computer roulette. Should I buy more memory or should I buy another power
supply? And if I buy another power supply should I buy a dual xeon or a

standard xeon?

## More ram you can never have too much ram, I got ~720mb in this
800duron and
it flies, faster than 80% of the top spec machines at work

No, no, no, I don't mean dual power supplies, I mean that Xeon power supplies come with one 24 pin
connector and "dual Xeon" power supplies come with one 24 pin connector and an 8 pin connector. In
the motherboard manual it says the 8 pin connector supplies power to the CPUs, but then I talked to
some other people online and they seemed to think that you could use just the 24 pin connector and
the 8 pin was just extra, you didn't HAVE to have it...but then I don't know if any of those people
have ACTUALLY built any dual Xeon systems so...uh...yeah. o_O

## Id go with the 24pin on its own then ;P

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[Mimic]

WOO HOO, new system will be fully operational! That's no moon...IT'S A
SPACE STATION! `, )

sweet, a few more bits of hardware and a few mods and you will have a
fully functional deathstar

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"There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand Binary,
and those that dont."
"He who controls Google, controls the world".

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now it's got a 24pin and an 8 pin
power connector on the board. Now apparently there are DUAL Xeon power supplies and then just
regular Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the single Xeon power supply in the
DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8 pin connector? Further, just what does that 8 pin
connector do?

Use the correct power supply, a single P4 power supply won't provide
enought 12V power.

Next question, I bought an MSI E7505 Server/Workstation motherboard. Now
the documentation that comes with the board says that it'll handle
PC2100 and PC1600. So my question is, can I use, oh say PC3200 memory
in this system or ONLY PC2100 and 1600?

Don't waste your money on PC3200, the card will treat it as PC2100.

 

[Green Dappled Monotremata]

Stalking me again (in article <ncub705nj3bgol1h86bbj8nn1ub4eb92nd@farfoos>),

Oh believe me, I do. I called EVERY computer repair and sales joint in
the entire trifuckingcounty
area and only ONE single person has even touched a Xeon system...and it
wasn't a dual setup. *rolls
eyes*

Four dual Xeons 2.4GHz, dual PSUs, 2G memory, Ultra-160. I get way more
more CPU bang from a 2*1.8GHz Athlon box, FWIW; the Xeons are supposed
to be better for I/O. Are you sure you really want Xeons? Too late!

The biggest problem I've found is with people who won't admit that they
don't know.

Hmmm... I dunno about that...

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Ah aaaaHHHH ahh. Duh, duh duh, duh duh-duh duh. Meow. Meow! Meow! Meow!

 

[Green Dappled Monotremata]

Stalking me again (in article <7i4c70574r9nngfup5kl5q818u5vjub7mb@farfoos>),

Vinum's only ever given me shit when I patched in the "preferred plex" hacks,
then forgot at the next upgrade. Bye-bye volume.

Ever since I discovered SiI was just a new name for CMD I've started
suspecting the controllers. FFS, the disks shouldn't -still- be giving
me spurious R/W errors, after 9 months burn-in. But the box just hangs
with Promise TX2s (Asus+Athlon+IBM/Hitachi, known bummer), which were
my first choice. Should I try some Highpoints instead?

What's this limitation, btw, please?

'scuse the piggyback.

Now ya see, that's what I love about this group, people who know what
the **** they're talkin about.

Uh, which froup am I in now?

But hey, don't be sneckin the froup line there, Mr. Sheenanigans! Learn
to share! SHARE DAMMIT!
DO IT NOW!

IAWTP.

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Ah aaaaHHHH ahh. Duh, duh duh, duh duh-duh duh. Meow. Meow! Meow! Meow!

 

[S.Heenan]

Stalking me again (in article
<7i4c70574r9nngfup5kl5q818u5vjub7mb@farfoos>), Onideus Mad Hatter


Vinum's only ever given me shit when I patched in the "preferred
plex" hacks, then forgot at the next upgrade. Bye-bye volume.

Ever since I discovered SiI was just a new name for CMD I've started
suspecting the controllers. FFS, the disks shouldn't -still- be giving
me spurious R/W errors, after 9 months burn-in. But the box just hangs
with Promise TX2s (Asus+Athlon+IBM/Hitachi, known bummer), which were
my first choice. Should I try some Highpoints instead?

What's this limitation, btw, please?

Your original query with regard toVinum and the SiI 0680s brought to mind
several quirks I've seen with SiI and Promise controllers. Having recently
used a hi-end workstation with an Adaptec 29xxx controller and several 10K
Cheetah hard drives, it was hard to return to the ATA-100 interface. The
answer may be as simple as the lack of Tagged Command Queuing support in
PATA hard drives and controllers.In this case, even a HighPoint controller
won't help matters. (I'm fond of HighPoint, in general.)

Perhaps a RAID5 solution might be in order for you. Four drives configured
in RAID 0 would yield upward of 140MB/sec. Of course this would mean daily
backups. Another solution is a single 15K SCSI as a boot drive and IDE
storage.

 

[paul]

Okay peeps, here's the deal, I've got a DUAL Xeon motherboard. Now
it's got a 24pin and an 8 pin power connector on the board. Now
apparently there are DUAL Xeon power supplies and then just regular
Xeon power supplies. My first question is, can one use the single
Xeon power supply in the DUAL Xeon motherboard and just skip the 8 pin
connector? Further, just what does that 8 pin connector do?

Next question, I bought an MSI E7505 Server/Workstation motherboard.
Now the documentation that comes with the board says that it'll handle
PC2100 and PC1600. So my question is, can I use, oh say PC3200 memory
in this system or ONLY PC2100 and 1600?

Any help and or insight is greatly appreciated...well...but I'm still
going to send each and every one of you filthy little bastards to
hell...STRAIGHT TO HELL! o_O

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mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net

I go there every day, it's called work.......do ya lift?