LOL.. I dont want to say I told you so .. but I told you so...

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Good point Lang, and what would you pay to have been a fly on the wall
during some of those discussions between Julia and Lyle and you have to
admit you wondered--

"What is it that Lyle Lovett had that Julia wanted? When and why did she
stop wanting it? Or was it the other way around or both of the above? Just
how did that unfold?

CH
 
progressive said:
I hope the consider changing their idea of making ie7 part of autoupdate on
november....

because if that happens tha whole world will be screaming.. lots of people
dont know how to change things or fix things, or
even what a newsgroup is
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I agree. I'm a Firefox user, and I only use IE for Windows Update,
occasional poorly designed sites that only run in IE, and of course for
rendering .chm files (and perhaps some other things I don't know about).

IE6 is fine for all this, and I really don't want my main machine messed
up by a forced installation if IE7. I'll try it on my test machine, though.

David Wilkinson
 
LOL... have to admit, I've never given it serious thought... that just
popped into my head when reading this thread. Oooo, poetry... lol.

Dunno... Beauty and the Beast?

Lang
 
If I was the type to scream bloody murder whenever a new version of
something I use comes out and starts doing things differently, I wouldn't be
sitting quietly in my little dark corner when MS is seeking feedback.

Now it's out, people install it, and they decide MS didn't read their minds.
WTH?
 
dont look at me.. I was testing ie7 on a test machine,
and sent them huge amounts of feedback...

all the problems I noted are still in the final.. lol

its not my fault that they dont listen
 
if its as ready as IE then please go to the IE newsgroup and see whats
happening in there
 
Alias~- said:
It didn't happen like that. IE7 is special.
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You apparently don't really follow software releases, I was testing IE 3, 4,
5, 6 and now 7. It was the same thing for ALL of them.
BS! If you read the installation instructions -- and the millions you are
referring to don't -- you will see it says to totally uninstall Zone
Alarm, for example, that practically no one who has ZA will do. It says to
disable your anti virus, which practically no one will do. It says to
reboot twice before opening IE7, which practically no one will do.
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If you DON'T follow the instructions during install, then tough cookies.
Microsoft wrote them for a reason. Don't complain when you don't follow them
and something breaks. Thats YOUR fault.
Considering that you don't know millions of people not having issues, you
are simply making it up as you go along.

Alias
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Actually we just rolled out IE 7 to almost 27,000 workstations. I would have
to say thats quite a few more than you have access to.

All installed without a problem.


Bill F.
 
Since no one knows when Vista is RTM, it's not quite good to post stuff like
this.

Several Microsoft boss types have clearly and plainly said that its NOT
going gold next week.

Bill F.
 
Alias~- said:
Liar.
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How so? have you installed 20K+ copies in the past two days? I have. I've
gotten PLENTY of feedback from our endusers.
The vast majority are commenting on tabs and the increase in speed.

Have a nice day.
IE7 is not ready for release. Period. Check out
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general if you need proof.
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I have 20K+ people using it now.

PERIOD.

That in itself is all the proof I need.

Lets not even mention that most of the press reviews of IE 7 have been quite
positive.


Bill F.
 
Bill said:
How so? have you installed 20K+ copies in the past two days? I have.
I've gotten PLENTY of feedback from our endusers.
The vast majority are commenting on tabs and the increase in speed.

Have a nice day.


I have 20K+ people using it now.

PERIOD.

That in itself is all the proof I need.

Lets not even mention that most of the press reviews of IE 7 have been
quite positive.


Bill F.
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I guess you expect me to take your word for it. The indisputable fact
that you haven't had time to talk to over 20,000 people, much less
install IE7 for all of them, is proof to me that you're lying.

Alias
 
Bill said:
You apparently don't really follow software releases, I was testing IE
3, 4, 5, 6 and now 7. It was the same thing for ALL of them.
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False. None of those required the prep that IE7 needs.
If you DON'T follow the instructions during install, then tough cookies.
Microsoft wrote them for a reason. Don't complain when you don't follow
them and something breaks. Thats YOUR fault.
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Um, most computers are factory set for auto updates with no user input.
Actually we just rolled out IE 7 to almost 27,000 workstations. I would
have to say thats quite a few more than you have access to.

All installed without a problem.


Bill F.
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Impossible. It hasn't been out long enough to roll it out on that many
computers unless you're Superman.

Alias
 
Alias~- said:
I guess you expect me to take your word for it. The indisputable fact that
you haven't had time to talk to over 20,000 people, much less install IE7
for all of them, is proof to me that you're lying.

Alias
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I take it you didn't ever work in any corp IT environments...

Installing something to 20k desktops doesn't nesessarily mean
sneaker-netting thru them. Getting a feedback from 20k users doesn't
nesessarily mean talking to them in person.
 
John said:
you guys have to go to the internet explorer general newsgroup and see whats
happening there...

people are going crazy... they hate it (ie7) bugs everywhere.. and all I
have to say is.. WAIT TILL THEY SEE VISTA
then they will really freak out!

bombs away!!!
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http://getfirefox.com
 
Their should be a large monument errected on the Redmond Campus which would
be two big tin ears.

By and large they could care less about your feedback and now people are
getting the message. The myth of feedback is basically a marketing tool to
drum up interest and put cash in their pockets. So are the public Betas--and
to a large extent the TBT. I've been saying it all along and it shows now.

CH
 
Alias~- said:
False. None of those required the prep that IE7 needs.
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Go back and check again.
Impossible. It hasn't been out long enough to roll it out on that many
computers unless you're Superman.
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Looks like you:
1.) Don't know what GPO's are
2.) Don't know what WSUS 3.0 and SMS 2003 are
3.) Don't have a good network.

Cause its simple.


Bill F.
 
Bill Frisbee wrote:

Erm, snipping what you can't respond to doesn't go over well with me:
If you DON'T follow the instructions during install, then tough
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cookies. Microsoft wrote them for a reason. Don't complain when you
don't follow them and something breaks. Thats YOUR fault.

Um, most computers are factory set for auto updates with no user input.

Comment?
Go back and check again.
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No need. I installed all those and had no need to prep the computer.
Looks like you:
1.) Don't know what GPO's are
2.) Don't know what WSUS 3.0 and SMS 2003 are
3.) Don't have a good network.

Cause its simple.


Bill F.
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You're right, I don't know what those are and I don't have a network. I
do know that IE7 will be giving repair techs a lot of work.

Alias
 
Alexander said:
I take it you didn't ever work in any corp IT environments...

Installing something to 20k desktops doesn't nesessarily mean
sneaker-netting thru them. Getting a feedback from 20k users doesn't
nesessarily mean talking to them in person.
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I misunderstood, then. I thought you did them one at a time.
Nonetheless, people who have their computer set for auto update/auto
install will suffer when IE7 is released to them because they won't do
the prep.

Alias
 
Agreed, but a company with that size doesn't usually roll out such update so
soon, provided it is not just an IE update as claimed, it requires several
reboots and might involved in incompatibility issues, unless all are brand
new computers without any use.
Since you might be involved in that situation, you should have known how
complicated it could be for each user's situation.

I don't have any problems with IE 7 but having been supervising a company
with larger size than 20k, it is not likely for one to roll out in just one
day (or the first day) without seeing if any adverse effects from other
users or companies, regardless of how well the company has planned
beforehand.
 
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