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UCLAN
kony said:
This thread certifies the fact that once you make a comment, you
will say ANYTHING, even make up stuff, rather than admit you were
mistaken. Sad, really.
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This thread certifies the fact that once you make a comment, you
will say ANYTHING, even make up stuff, rather than admit you were
mistaken. Sad, really.
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UCLAN
kony said:You're the one with a mental problem here... the FACT is,
there is a difference in lag. If you dont mind that, if the
difference is slight enough that it doesn't effect anything
you're doing, or even slight enough to go unnnoticed by you,
then it wasn't a bad product for you.
There are OTHER people with OTHER needs, who deserve FULL
information. Same story different day, while you may
SUBJECTIVELY like a product, an OBJECTIVE comparison would
have to include the fact that there is a response lag.
A lag in the nanosecond range, perhaps. An *observable* lag? Nah.
And the OP was complaining about "severe lagginess." For you to
say that all cordless mice suffer this malady is hardly objective,
and far from the truth.
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Rod Speed
This thread certifies the fact that once you make a comment, you will say ANYTHING, even make up
stuff, rather than admit you were mistaken.
And that its never managed to grasp the basics of the Rule of Holes either.
Sad, really.
Pathetic too.
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trojanfoe
Try it without the driver installed for mouse & keyboard.
In that situation is there still lag?
Such problems are typically due to too great a distance from
receiver, too much metal around the receiver (Or
mouse/keyboard themselves), too much interference from
nearby devices operating in same frequency range
(bluetooth's frequency hopping should help, but it's still a
potentially congested band at 2.4GHz), or for mouse-only
problems, a sub-optimal mousing surface.
Sorry for the delay responding - didn't see this thread had exploded
so much. I have helped the problem a little by putting the usb dongle
in one of the front usb sockets, however it really is so sensitive.
There is no more than 2-3m between mouse and usb dongle and they are
in line-of-sight on the same level, and even if I put my knee in the
way the mouse drops out. I can resolve it by holding it in the air
for a few seconds. Getting very very annoying and as the mouse has no
cord it's getting close being smashed against the wall - sod this for
a laugh - I'll go back to a corded mouse and a usb extension cable.
I will try without the SetPoint drivers and see if that helps. I
will also get a usb extension cable and see if I can get the dongle
even closer to the mouse.
Does anything else think this might be a Vista issue rather than a
hardware issue?
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kony
A lag in the nanosecond range, perhaps. An *observable* lag? Nah.
And the OP was complaining about "severe lagginess." For you to
say that all cordless mice suffer this malady is hardly objective,
and far from the truth.
If you can't even discern it how could you quantify it?
The fact remains, many many many people do have accute
enough senses and demanding enough uses to notice the
difference.
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kony
This thread certifies the fact that once you make a comment, you
will say ANYTHING, even make up stuff, rather than admit you were
mistaken. Sad, really.
I'm not the first nor the last person to notice the
difference. The sad part is that you can't tell and then
think nobody else could because of that alone. I'll bet
there are a lot of thinks you could distinguish that other
people couldn't, with other products, but you don't want to
consider subjectivism.
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UCLAN
kony said:If you can't even discern it how could you quantify it?
Huh? I'm saying you CAN'T see a lag in the nanosecond range. Period.
Muddle it up all you want.
The fact remains, many many many people do have accute
enough senses and demanding enough uses to notice the
difference.
Right. Are these the same people that can tell the difference in
sound when $200 silver wire is used in line level audio connections,
rather than good quality standard shielded RCA cables?
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UCLAN
kony said:I'm not the first nor the last person to notice the
difference. The sad part is that you can't tell and then
think nobody else could because of that alone. I'll bet
there are a lot of thinks you could distinguish that other
people couldn't, with other products, but you don't want to
consider subjectivism.
Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.
[And what does "...a lot of thinks you..." mean?]
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Rod Speed
If you can't even discern it how could you quantify it?
Pathetic, really.
The fact remains, many many many people do have accute enough
senses and demanding enough uses to notice the difference.
The same mindless claims are made by the advocates of oxygen
free cables etc with audio systems. Turns out that not one of the
golden ears brigade can actually pick it in a proper double blind
trial, so its pure fantasy. Drug crazed fantasy in your case.
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Rod Speed
I'm not the first nor the last person to notice the difference.
True in spades of oxygen free cables, werewolves, leprechauns,
vampires, dragons, yetis, aliens, angels, etc etc etc.
The sad part is that you can't tell and then
think nobody else could because of that alone.
True in spades of oxygen free cables, werewolves, leprechauns,
vampires, dragons, yetis, aliens, angels, etc etc etc.
I'll bet there are a lot of thinks you could distinguish
that other people couldn't, with other products,
Unlikely, and until he can pick it in a double blind trial, ALL it is is a CLAIM.
but you don't want to consider subjectivism.
Yep, we've noticed the problem with oxygen free cables, werewolves,
leprechauns, vampires, dragons, yetis, aliens, angels, etc etc etc.
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Cal Vanize
Rod said:Pathetic, really.
The same mindless claims are made by the advocates of oxygen
free cables etc with audio systems. Turns out that not one of the
golden ears brigade can actually pick it in a proper double blind
trial, so its pure fantasy. Drug crazed fantasy in your case.
Self-contradicting troll. Can't even argue a logical point without
flipping sides.
Go back and ask mommy if you can go outside to play now. Go ahead, get
along now, junior.
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Vic Baron
trojanfoe said:Hi there - I've just installed a Logitech MX5000 bluetooth keyboard
and MX1000 bluetooth mouse under Vista and am experiencing severe
"lagginess" under Vista. I haven't tried it under Windows XP but can
anyone tell me if they've had similar experiences? Is it Vista or
crappy mouse design?
Cheers,
Andy
Had one under XP with same problem. Logitech was no help - finally returned
both the keyboard & mouse to them & went back to an earlier version that
worked. Seems they've had quite a bit of trouble with the MX5000 Bluetooth
according to the messages in their support forum.
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Rod Speed
Cal Vanize said:Rod Speed wrote
Self-contradicting troll.
Pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
an't even argue a logical point without flipping sides.
Not a shred of flipping sides involved at all, child.
<reams of your juvenile shit flushed where it belongs>
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kony
Huh? I'm saying you CAN'T see a lag in the nanosecond range. Period.
Muddle it up all you want.
Problem is you made up the "nanosecond range" part, as if
it's that short.
Right. Are these the same people that can tell the difference in
sound when $200 silver wire is used in line level audio connections,
rather than good quality standard shielded RCA cables?
No, these are the same people who have the mice and
demanding enough use to notice the difference.
It is sad you can't accept what so many people have observed
for themselves even after assuming there wasn't a difference
as you did.
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kony
kony said:I'm not the first nor the last person to notice the
difference. The sad part is that you can't tell and then
think nobody else could because of that alone. I'll bet
there are a lot of thinks you could distinguish that other
people couldn't, with other products, but you don't want to
consider subjectivism.
Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.
[And what does "...a lot of thinks you..." mean?]
How about comparing a 28 gauge subwoofer cable with a 12
gauge?
Your arbitrary attempts to apply dissimilar situations don't
help your argument, nor do they get rid of the lag you are
too in love with your MX700 to notice.
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UCLAN
kony said:Problem is you made up the "nanosecond range" part, as if
it's that short.
No, I'm just continuing to question your explanation that the
lag is caused by the difference in RF transmission versus wired
transmission: "We do in fact know that there is a higher latency
from a radio communication than over wire. It is measurable,
repeatable, satisfies every criteria of scientific proof except
on Planet Rod." Do the math. How long does it take for the RF
signal to travel a couple of feet?
No, these are the same people who have the mice and
demanding enough use to notice the difference.
It is sad you can't accept what so many people have observed
for themselves even after assuming there wasn't a difference
as you did.
Just as I can't accept that they hear a difference with the audio
cables, a difference they continually cannot correctly identify in
A/B tests. Methinks the same would be true with your mouse vision.
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UCLAN
kony said:Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.
[And what does "...a lot of thinks you..." mean?]
How about comparing a 28 gauge subwoofer cable with a 12
gauge?
Now that's just plain silly. Nobody actually uses 28 gauge subwoofer
cable.
Your arbitrary attempts to apply dissimilar situations don't
help your argument, nor do they get rid of the lag you are
too in love with your MX700 to notice.
Not at all dissimilar. They illustrate the point that those that
hear a difference in the audio cables do so because they WANT to
hear a difference. Give them a properly administered A/B test, and
the difference magically disappears. Methinks the same thing would
happen to you in a mouse test. You just won't admit it.
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Vic Smith
Here's 2 gamers who found lag to be a real trial with their wirelessUnlikely, and until he can pick it in a double blind trial, ALL it is is a CLAIM.
mice. They're both blind, so it was a double blind trial.
Now shut the **** up, roo.
1.
I'm familiar with the effect. I had a crappy wireless mouse (Logitech
Mouseman?) come with my logitech elite keyboard. I never used it
because I'd move the mouse and the cursor would take a little under a
second to actually respond. This delay was extremely disorienting.
2.
I'm familiar with the effect. I had a crappy wireless mouse (Logitech
Mouseman?) come with my logitech elite keyboard. I never used it
because I'd move the mouse and the cursor would take a little under a
second to actually respond. This delay was extremely disorienting.
--Vic
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Rod Speed
Here's 2 gamers who found lag to be a real trial with their wireless mice.
That wasnt what was being discussed. What was being discussed was whether
there is any lag noticeable with the BEST wireless mice, not ANY wireless mouse.
<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>
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kony
No, I'm just continuing to question your explanation that the
lag is caused by the difference in RF transmission versus wired
transmission: "We do in fact know that there is a higher latency
from a radio communication than over wire. It is measurable,
repeatable, satisfies every criteria of scientific proof except
on Planet Rod." Do the math. How long does it take for the RF
signal to travel a couple of feet?
Again, it is not only a matter of an idealized transmission
speed of air vs wire. Same thing with wifi networking, if
your basic idea of nanoseconds were true, a 108Mbps link
would really come quite close to that, but obviously it does
not, not even with a single continuous file transfer to
minimize latency.