Link to .iso?

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Susan said:
Hello Mark,

Ripping off the Pricelessware name is not a *good* deed.
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Now you're just being silly. That's what he named the folder on his
server that contained the .iso and checksum files. "Ripping off the
Pricelessware name..." is a bit over the top.
IMO concern about unauthorised use of the Pricelessware name is not
paranoia. If someone receives a "PW CD" or "PW ISO" loaded with
malware I want it to be quite clear that it did *not* come from the
Pricelessware site.
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It was out of your control the day the first CD went out. Let it go.
Nobody's gonna blame you if the file becomes corrupted somewhere down
the line.
re: not posting enough . . .

The Pricelessware ISO went on-line April 10.

Malik's posting "history" -> 2 posts to ACF (April 13 & 14, 2004)

Post 1. announced the existence of his
http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/ web page.

Post 2. announced the existence of his
http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/ web page.
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While he may not be one of the acf "regulars," he's far from new to
Usenet:

http://tinyurl.com/2rdxf

From the posting history above and the content of the website in
question, I think Malik deserves the benefit of the doubt. Hell, you
sent *me* a CD, and you don't know me from Adam. Nor me you. There's a
certain element of trust involved in this and nearly any endeavor
regarding the exchange of software.

Sometimes you just have to let things work out on their own. You did a
superb job putting this all together, and getting it "out there." The
MLM style of distribution, coupled with the availabilty of the .iso, is
working -- Pricelessware is getting a broader audience day by day.

That *is* a good deed. By *all* involved.

Including Malik.
 
dszady wrote:

Perhaps saying that the list of burners on the PL site are the only
genuine suppliers of the CD is in order if it isn't already.
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I don't think that *is* in order. Making and distributing copies of the
CD is permitted. We *want* people to make copies. The readme.txt says
(quoting myself):

<q>You may make copies of this CD and distribute them to others.</q>

That statement does not grant permission to copy and distribute the ISO.
IIRC copying the ISO was never discussed. It's clear *now* that if there
*is* an ISO it *will* be copied - something to consider *next* year.

Susan
 
Susan Bugher wrote in <[email protected]>:

I understand your concerns Susan (more or less :), for instance about
(good) reputation - on which both the CD distribution, the
Pricelessware site and this group depends. Although I think they all
point in direction of a closed distribution with a no-distribution
clause (such as "online distribution of the CD only allowed via the
channels (online and offline) listed on the current Pricelessware CD
page"). Or at least some more details in the licence's on the terms of
use, such as not using the Pricelessware name in URLs/directory names
etc. Anyway, I think you have just set the agenda for what needs to be
discussed further before the next release.
http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/

The web page says: <q>Please see Pricelessware.org for more information,
as this is merely a mirror site.</q>

That site has *no* connection to the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup *or*
the Pricelessware List *or* the Pricelessware site.

The intent may be benign - the actions are way out of line
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Have you tried to e-mail him, asking him kindly change the directory
(folder) name to something else? I mean, if he is not a regular poster
here - then he might not have seen your objections here either. E-mail
address found on homepage: <http://www.unoc.net/a/>.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
Bjorn said:
Have you tried to e-mail him, asking him kindly change the directory
(folder) name to something else? I mean, if he is not a regular poster
here - then he might not have seen your objections here either. E-mail
address found on homepage: <http://www.unoc.net/a/>.
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I think it would be better if people here updated their understanding,
realizing that there is a big difference between a domain name and a
folder name.

That would solve the whole problem, and there is no need to write to mr
Malik and embarass him with these problems.

Example:
Only the Gentoo community can use gentoo.org in their urls.
But thousands of linux mirrors around the world have folders named
gentoo, because there is where they have placed versions of gentoo.
 
Roger Johansson wrote in said:
I think it would be better if people here updated their understanding,
realizing that there is a big difference between a domain name and a
folder name.
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The link reads <http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/ >. Notice the
words "mirrors" and then "Pricelessware", which is cause for
legitimate concern IMO. While the site does not contain a
Pricelessware mirror (which is not allowed without prior consent), the
URL as such gives the impression it does. Nor does the site offer any
files distributed *online* by <www.pricelessware.org>, so it can not
be said to be a "mirror" in that sense either.

We can always discuss if Susan perhaps came on a bit strong in this
particular case, but that is IMHO "water under the bridge" now.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
Bjorn said:
The link reads <http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/ >. Notice the
words "mirrors" and then "Pricelessware", which is cause for
legitimate concern IMO.
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Not in my opinion. He naturally tries to use meaningful folder names.
He has done nothing wrong, this problem is a confusion and a mistake.
While the site does not contain a
Pricelessware mirror (which is not allowed without prior consent), the
URL as such gives the impression it does.
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All the hundreds of folders containing gentoo files on mirrors are named
gentoo.
That does not mean that the whole gentoo.org web site is mirrored there,
it just means that there is something there which has something with the
name gentoo to do.

Which is really practical when people search for it, because they can
draw some conclusions based on the names of the folders.

This is standard practise and nothing to complain about.
 
Susan Bugher wrote in said:
That statement does not grant permission to copy and distribute the ISO.
IIRC copying the ISO was never discussed. It's clear *now* that if there
*is* an ISO it *will* be copied - something to consider *next* year.
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Jotting down an idea before I forget it: Maybe next year "detach" the
CD project from the Pricelessware name as such, call it the
"alt.comp.freeware CD <insert year>" (or acf-CD), create new separate
html pages for the project, use Pricelessware pages as basis but
change (search/replace) the name appropriately, while adding proper
credit/attribution/copyright for the descriptions/selections to
Pricelessware site/project, as well as point to the Pricelessware site
for updated links/program info etc.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
Roger Johansson wrote in said:
Not in my opinion. He naturally tries to use meaningful folder names.
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Sure, but what you fail to understand is the context the name appears
in (mirros + priclessware) - can be read as saying "the ISO file here
is a copy of the ISO file from the Pricelessware site", but as you
know Pricelessware does not provide any ISO file. Now try think
implications beyond this simpel case.

All the best,
Bjorn SImonsen
 
Bjorn said:
Susan Bugher wrote in <[email protected]>:

I understand your concerns Susan (more or less :), for instance about
(good) reputation - on which both the CD distribution, the
Pricelessware site and this group depends. Although I think they all
point in direction of a closed distribution with a no-distribution
clause (such as "online distribution of the CD only allowed via the
channels (online and offline) listed on the current Pricelessware CD
page"). Or at least some more details in the licence's on the terms of
use, such as not using the Pricelessware name in URLs/directory names
etc. Anyway, I think you have just set the agenda for what needs to be
discussed further before the next release.
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I agree with the need for discussion. This year we weren't even sure
there would *be* an ISO. The ramifications of having one were not
considered.
Have you tried to e-mail him, asking him kindly change the directory
(folder) name to something else? I mean, if he is not a regular poster
here - then he might not have seen your objections here either. E-mail
address found on homepage: <http://www.unoc.net/a/>.
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Yes. I emailed yesterday, Amir replied. I requested some changes in the
web page and Amir has graciously made them. See:

http://mirrors.unoc.net/pricelessware/

For the benefit of those who are reading this offline the web page says:

Please see the Pricelessware web site for information about The 2004
Pricelessware CD.

http://mirrors.unoc.net/ is not affiliated with
http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan
 
|
|Susan Bugher wrote in <[email protected]>:
|
|>
|>That statement does not grant permission to copy and distribute the ISO.
|>IIRC copying the ISO was never discussed. It's clear *now* that if there
|>*is* an ISO it *will* be copied - something to consider *next* year.
|
|Jotting down an idea before I forget it: Maybe next year "detach" the
|CD project from the Pricelessware name as such, call it the
|"alt.comp.freeware CD <insert year>" (or acf-CD), create new separate
|html pages for the project, use Pricelessware pages as basis but
|change (search/replace) the name appropriately, while adding proper
|credit/attribution/copyright for the descriptions/selections to
|Pricelessware site/project, as well as point to the Pricelessware site
|for updated links/program info etc.

No offence to you Bjorn but I don't like your idea. It brings up
many things like. If it's not a "Pricelessware" CD then other
freeware programs not found on the Pricelessware site can be
added. This just makes it another freeware CD, which there are
already lots of those out there. If it's not a Pricelessware CD
then why even list it on the Pricelessware site?

Seeing as how Pricelessware is supposed to be a group thing. I
think it would be best if someone volunteered/was appointed to
handle the Pricelessware CD.

This from the Pricelessware web site "Do NOT use the
Pricelessware Links button to send CD requests. Your request
will be ignored." is confusing. It looks like the Pricelessware
site does not want to be bothered with the very CD it is trying
to distribute. It would have been eaiser, more polite, more
professional to just set up one or two email addresses to handle
the CD requests. Something like cdrequest@pricelessware. Or at
the minimum have the common courtesy to point people in the
right direction. To just ignore someone's request is not right.

-=-
 
Bjorn said:
We can always discuss if Susan perhaps came on a bit strong in this
particular case, but that is IMHO "water under the bridge" now.
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Susan has decided she has a severe case of "opening night jitters". I
did come on a bit strong. I appreciated it when you checked the ISO for
me - it was unnerving not to be able to do it myself.

I'll try to stop worrying so much about things that might go wrong - at
least in public. ;)

Susan
 
Bjorn said:
Jotting down an idea before I forget it: Maybe next year "detach" the
CD project from the Pricelessware name as such, call it the
"alt.comp.freeware CD <insert year>" (or acf-CD), create new separate
html pages for the project, use Pricelessware pages as basis but
change (search/replace) the name appropriately, while adding proper
credit/attribution/copyright for the descriptions/selections to
Pricelessware site/project, as well as point to the Pricelessware site
for updated links/program info etc.
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Hi Bjorn,

Would you please explain your idea a little more - I seem to be missing
some key point. What is the benefit of "detaching" the Pricelessware
name? Is this in regard to other sites uploading an ISO of the CD?

Susan (feeling clueless)
 
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