Sour grapes? I own a retail PC store. I am aware of these issues,
however,
the mass majority is not. Nor do they know of these newsgroups. There
is
no
reason for microsoft to remove faxing from the home edition of Windows
other
than to try to squeeze money from users that have relied on it in the
past.
:
Just a sour grapes reply.
MS also removed the built-in fax from Millennium (was in Win 98) and
brought it back in XP.
You should have asked in these newsgroups BEFORE you bought Vista.
Russ
and others could have told you to get Ultimate or Business if you
needed
fax capability.
Nick wrote:
The bottom line is that MSFT is selling Vista as the great new OS
and
everyone should go out and get it. Lemmings or not, people believe
that they
will get an "Upgrade" for upgrading. "Read more carefully"? Nobody
can
possibly think to check off each individual feature that is or is
not
included in each version. Beyond that, should someone be expected
to
pay the
extreme price that Ultimate is at just for fax?
I find your responses typical of most "experts" in the field.
Unsympathetic, mostly unhelpful, and somewhat insulting. You may
deny
that
your responses are in no way intended to get under a frustrated
user's
skin,
however, you know that's not true. And if you are tired of people
posting
the same old complaints, skip over the title when you see it. Wear
your MVP
tag proudly.
:
It does not matter "who I am with." None of us can change this. We
can
only
state what is and alert others.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
The developers wanted to keep the fax in home premium, so who are
you
with,
the developers or the marketing people, because the developers are
with
us,
and let’s face it, without the developers we would still be using
calculators.
:
What an odd and insulting response. You are free to interpret my
post
however you wish. I suspect few would interpret it as you did.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
So basically now your are calling people idiots in your humble
opinion
for
not only assuming they would not lose anything by upgrading to
Vista
but
also by upgrading to Vista period.
Mister if you wish to run around using your so called title as a
badge
you
best learn a little something about marketing.
When people are upset you do not go poking them with a stick.
I still stand by Microsoft but some of the people using MVP need
to
grow
up.
message
I wouldn't say you aren't being heard. There are now numerous
posts
from
people with the same complaint which have received a number of
sympathetic
replies, including a remarkably candid response from a
Microsoft
employee
who said the feature list for each version was made by the
marketing
department at the last minute, not by the developers who would
have
preferred the fax module go into all versions.
We have far exceeded the point where reposting the same
complaint
in a
peer-to-peer group will accomplish anything. The take home
message
here
remains:
1. Vista is a completely new OS with completely different
versions. It
is
naive to assume that the version you used in XP is in any way
equivalent
to the version you would want in Vista and that every feature
your
XP
version had would remain in Vista.
2. Research carefully whether you even need to "upgrade" to
Vista.
If
you
decide you do, then research even more carefully which version
has
the
features you need. You do that when you upgrade your TV or car.
Why
wouldn't you do so when you update your OS?
Watching people rush to Vista has been like watching lemmings
jump
into
the sea. In my world, a new OS from Microsoft belongs on a test
partition
for at least 2 years until the applications we use even have a
chance
to
work with it.
Just curious. What were the reasons you found that were so
compelling
that you needed to update to Vista right away?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in
this
as
you
are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose
things
that
worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online
after
doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It
didn't
tell me that Vista would disable things already installed.
Does
this
make sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't
disappear--or didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but
were
there.
Now, I have actually gotten less for my money than I have
previously.
And that really bothers me.
--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
520-241-0126
Pacific Time
"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <
[email protected]>
wrote
in
message You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose
them,
when
we
upgrade.
--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
520-241-0126
Pacific Time
message
The features included with each version are not a secret. Users
need
to
read
that information very carefully before they decide on which
version to
choose. Caveat emptor.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
message
Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to
contibribute
if
you
have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
as haven't you..... smartass
to the OP, try
http://www.snappysoftware.com/
look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what
they
KNEW
would
be their top seller.
just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually
results in
a
"downgrade"
--
Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
