Kerio v. Sygate

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Aaron wrote:

| The No 1 Security problem with Sygate (all versions) is
| that Sygate cannot stop applications from highjacking OUT on
| proxomitron or any other local proxy for that matter. It is a
| well known problem.
|

Aaron, would you please explain how these two applications
interrelate with each other?
I am using Proximotron and Sygate together. I notice that one or
two apps seem to be able to bypass the firewall to send. Can't
recall which they are right now; it almost never happens.
Sometimes, I get asked for approval because Proxo is trying to
connect or "load a .dll."

Richard
 
Richard said:
Sietse Fliege wrote:

Thanks. Would you please explain and point the way toward what
you think we may find of use. Tell us why.
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We? Us? Is that a royal plural? (Don't know the English phrase).

First: I have no experience with Sygate.
Now, let me quote a bit more of what you said:
Immediately after I installed Sygate this last time, I have
noticed a steady use of my hard disk at an almost rhythmic rate.
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You seem to be sure that this new hard disk activity is caused by Sygate
and you therefor plan to reinstall it.
However, there is always a chance that it's just a coincidence.
Something else might (however unexpectedly) be the cause.
These coincidences do happen and reinstalling Sygate therefor just might
be a little drastic.
Installing FileMon means merely installing a simple executable and
adding one registry key. FileMon also might come in handy in other
occasions, anyway.
You would only have to run it a relatively short time to check out which
process is accessing which file(s).
The HD usage is so brief that the "HD in use" LED isn't visible.
But I hear the head motor for an instant.
I see no indication that anything is engaged in the system to
cause this. On Sygate's web site, there was a FAQ answer that
mentioned something about unusual system activity that can be
caused by a "dirty" installation of the program: in other words,
an installation on a computer that's already got programs and
TSRs in memory at the time of installation.
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What if it turns out that Sygate indeed is the cause?

Someone recently posted this:
"The hard drive LED indicates that my p2p program, WinMX 3.31, keeps
accessing the hard drive every 14 or 29 seconds, while no transfer (or
any other activity) is underway, until I close WinMX."
He was a bit worried, but running FileMon learned him that WinMX was
writing to its settings file.
That reassured him enough that nothing ontowards was happening.

The activity you see might be comparable and not too unusual.
It might be different from the "unusual system activity" described in
the FAQ. (Hard for me to gauge anyway.)

And in the probably more likely event that the FAQ answer applies, it
might still be useful to see what files are accessed, before you
reinstall and solve the issue.

HTH
 
(Top posting to save people the need to plow through a lot of
stuff)

Thank you, Sietse.
I appreciate your explanation. I'm not certain that Sygate is
causing the HD "blips." I only know that the activity began
right after I put it onto my system.

I have two process display utilitites right now. However, the
program that you described sounds cool in that it displays action
involving the hard drive.

Thanks again.

Richard

in message | Richard Steinfeld wrote:
| > Sietse Fliege wrote:
|
| >> FileMon from www.sysinternals.com may be of help here.
| >
| > Thanks. Would you please explain and point the way toward
what
| > you think we may find of use. Tell us why.
|
| We? Us? Is that a royal plural? (Don't know the English
phrase).
|
| First: I have no experience with Sygate.
| Now, let me quote a bit more of what you said:
|
| > Immediately after I installed Sygate this last time, I have
| > noticed a steady use of my hard disk at an almost rhythmic
rate.
|
| You seem to be sure that this new hard disk activity is caused
by Sygate
| and you therefor plan to reinstall it.
| However, there is always a chance that it's just a coincidence.
| Something else might (however unexpectedly) be the cause.
| These coincidences do happen and reinstalling Sygate therefor
just might
| be a little drastic.
| Installing FileMon means merely installing a simple executable
and
| adding one registry key. FileMon also might come in handy in
other
| occasions, anyway.
| You would only have to run it a relatively short time to check
out which
| process is accessing which file(s).
|
| > The HD usage is so brief that the "HD in use" LED isn't
visible.
| > But I hear the head motor for an instant.
| > I see no indication that anything is engaged in the system to
| > cause this. On Sygate's web site, there was a FAQ answer that
| > mentioned something about unusual system activity that can be
| > caused by a "dirty" installation of the program: in other
words,
| > an installation on a computer that's already got programs and
| > TSRs in memory at the time of installation.
|
| What if it turns out that Sygate indeed is the cause?
|
| Someone recently posted this:
| "The hard drive LED indicates that my p2p program, WinMX 3.31,
keeps
| accessing the hard drive every 14 or 29 seconds, while no
transfer (or
| any other activity) is underway, until I close WinMX."
| He was a bit worried, but running FileMon learned him that
WinMX was
| writing to its settings file.
| That reassured him enough that nothing ontowards was happening.
|
| The activity you see might be comparable and not too unusual.
| It might be different from the "unusual system activity"
described in
| the FAQ. (Hard for me to gauge anyway.)
|
| And in the probably more likely event that the FAQ answer
applies, it
| might still be useful to see what files are accessed, before
you
| reinstall and solve the issue.
|
| HTH
|
| --
| Cheers,
| Sietse Fliege
|
 
You said that your Sygate has slugged down. Well, I was able to
cure that problem with my System Suite rendition. Like your
experience, my Sygate ran fine for some time before it slowed
down the system. The answer was in the Traffic log file. Sygate
looks at that file a lot, and writes to it every time it does
anything, which means every time you send something out or
anything comes in.
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I thought that might be the case too - as per the old ZA problem with
500+ hits - so I fiddled with the logs.
Made no difference.

When I say 'slowed down' I mean the screen quite literally ground to a
halt. One minute it'd be fine, the next minute everything went into
slow motion before gradually freezing up completely.
My initial thought was that it was a viral problem.

On checking the traffic log I found it to be less than 100k.

Regards,
 
["JunkMonkey"; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:14:35 GMT]
There was no strong technical reason, to go back to Sygate from Kerio
except I felt more comfortable with the Sygate User Interface. Silly
reason, really, for a switch.
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It certainly isn't! User interface is an important part of software.
 
["Richard Steinfeld"; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:12:55 GMT]
(Top posting to save people the need to plow through a lot of
stuff)
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I'm not one big on the top-or-bottom-posting debate, but if you're only
top-posting for this reason, judicious snipping (leaving only a few lines)
will eliminate your need to do it.
 
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