Kerio now pay???

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I installed 2.1.5 on my wife's computer running XP home and it has been
working fine for over a year. However, I had to disable XP's firewall.
Personally, I'm not just *a little* bitter about XP...I'm VERY bitter
about it. Unfortunately, however, new PCs come with the new windows
versions and people who want to get a new system don't have the option
of getting earlier versions. I still run Win95 on my computer (much
more stable and secure than my wife's, in spite of what people say) but
I'm getting a new system because of the USB support. I would opt for
win98 but it's not available as an option from computer ventors and
I'll have to find a place that still sells it...
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Totally OT content
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Windows98 OEM
http://www.directdeals.com/item_OEM-WIN98.aspx

But I strongly suggest Windows 2000
http://www.directdeals.com/category_windows_2000_professional.aspx?src=yahoo

regards

Dud
 
ms<[email protected]> wrote:
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John, did you come to a judgement about which of the 40 updates are
really critical and needed for a home user? I don't use XP either, but a
relative does and I don't know which updates to tell him to download.
Installing all of them could be a disaster.
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I installed everything. I removed the media player portion later.

I managed to get exploited just before a recent update was released
and it wasn't much fun.
 
: : > Ehhhhh, I don't really think so, Steven. None of the features that
go
: > away are really critical. But I don't know if it nags a person from
: > that point on or not since I don't use that version.
:
: I know I'm in the minority here but, AFAIAC, as soon as they
: removed/disabled the features in the "free" version, it became
: crippleware........ regardless of what those features were.
:
Like AVG :-(
 
I'm not sure of the exact (download) page, but I do know that it was a
Kerio site; Update link or a link from this newsgroup. Thanks for all
of the info.
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Thou shalt not admit adultery.

: PuppyKatt wrote:
:
: > Thank you both Mighty Kitten and John. Does tis mean that after the
30
: > days, Kerio will automatically revert/convert to the simpler form of
: > Kerio,
:
: Yes.
:
: > or do I need to uninstall it, and download the "no extras"
: > version?
:
: No. Assuming you downloaded and installed the version on this page:
:
: http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html
:
: --
: Regards from John Corliss
: No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware,
: nagware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses
: or warez please.
 
Ehhhhh, I don't really think so, Steven. None of the features that go
away are really critical.
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Critical to who? As you see below some people argue features like acting
as a ICS gateway is critical and that's not in Kerio 4 free.But then
again, I suppose if you don't use that, it's not critical. How about the
feature to password protect the firewall settings? That might be critical
but then again some full version firewalls don't offer that, so maybe
not.

That's the whole crux of this "is it crippleware or not" debate. What is
crippleware to you, might not be so to someone else. Crippleware is a
term that is subjective really and is a term of dubious utility since you
can't presume to know what features removed are critical are not. Not
unless you wish to follow Steven Burn's definition of crippleware to mean

any software with removed features whatever those features they are.

If so , why not just use the term lightware? Crippleware seems to be a
term too emotionally loaded. Is the current spywareblaster crippleware,
lightware or freeware? ;)







Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
...tells you which ones you haven't got; 'need' is a subjective
judgement.
Nobody *needs* media player 9. :-)
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Is MS listing WMP 9 has a critical update these days? That's news to me.


Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
Art said:
Missing features in the free 4.x version...some are important (or critical
depending on deployment environment) and others are fluff:

- Missing "important" features:

Password Protected Configuration
Runs As Internet Gateway
Syslog
Remote Administration
Runs On Windows Server OS


- Missing "fluff" features:
All the content filters - referrer & cookie blocking, ad blocking, pop-up
blocking, etc.

Just my opinion, which really goes without saying :). I still use 2.1.5, by
the way.
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Good point, Art. I should have said "None of the features that go
away are really critical... at least to *me*."
 
Aaron said:
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Critical to who? As you see below some people argue features like acting
as a ICS gateway is critical and that's not in Kerio 4 free.But then
again, I suppose if you don't use that, it's not critical. How about the
feature to password protect the firewall settings? That might be critical
but then again some full version firewalls don't offer that, so maybe
not.

That's the whole crux of this "is it crippleware or not" debate. What is
crippleware to you, might not be so to someone else. Crippleware is a
term that is subjective really and is a term of dubious utility since you
can't presume to know what features removed are critical are not. Not
unless you wish to follow Steven Burn's definition of crippleware to mean

any software with removed features whatever those features they are.

If so , why not just use the term lightware? Crippleware seems to be a
term too emotionally loaded. Is the current spywareblaster crippleware,
lightware or freeware? ;)
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As you say, Aaron, one person's crippleware is another person's
liteware. It depends on the deployment.
 
jo said:
John Corliss wrote:




...tells you which ones you haven't got; 'need' is a subjective
judgement.
Nobody *needs* media player 9. :-)
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Not according to Microsoft. 80)>
 
Aaron said:
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Is MS listing WMP 9 has a critical update these days? That's news to me.
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Picky picky picky, but you're correct. Among the items listed at the
update site are ones that you supposedly need ("critical") as well as
ones that are simply "recommended".
 
REM said:
I installed everything. I removed the media player portion later.
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Doesn't the mandatory DRM remain even after you uninstall MP? I'm not
even sure how that crap works.
 
Doesn't the mandatory DRM remain even after you uninstall MP? I'm not
even sure how that crap works.
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I'm not really sure. I'm not doing any media stuff on the machine.
I'd recommend skipping the media update though.

I "think" this was in the critical update section, rather than in the
suggested update section (where it should be).
 
REM said:
I'm not really sure. I'm not doing any media stuff on the machine.
I'd recommend skipping the media update though.

I "think" this was in the critical update section, rather than in the
suggested update section (where it should be).
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Wouldn't surprise me is the crap was included in several unrelated
"critical" updates, just to make sure it's on everybody's systems.

****in' Microsoft.
 
I just got a pop-notice from my Kerio Firewall saying that I have only
Four days left of the trial. I thought Kerio was free. What gives?
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FWIIW, if you caonnect via the WAN port of a router, there is a built
in firewall (comes about by virtue of teh NAT)

At the very least a port scan at dslreports shows no available ports
using the router
 
Doesn't the mandatory DRM remain even after you uninstall MP? I'm not
even sure how that crap works.
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If they are mingling something like this in a _required security
update_ file; MS should be drawn and quartered. Only the Justice
Department can do that unfortunately :(

They should not sell a new OS riddled with holes. Since they do, these
updates should have no strings. They should simply close the hole
intended and nothing more.

I was just working on another XP Pro machine. This thing was locked up
tight. The CPU was at 100%, so there was little I could do. I'm sure
some malware had it in an infinite loop. We tried running the OEM
recovery image and it refused to run.

I did manage to get AntiVir installed before I left. He said that it
found 42 worms and trojans in 20 minutes. The second run found 67 more
in 65 minutes. The third run locked up. That's not a great sign. The
CPU is still running at 100% and it still will not accept the OEM
recovery program.

My XP is the full Windows install version.

I wonder, if I use a boot disk to fdisk and repartition (for a backup
drive) will this OEM recovery CD still work? It did on my 98SE
Pavilion, but that was fat32. I hate to gamble and have his XP
recovery image not run, as it requires Windows to run, or something
silly like that. It did boot from the CD before freezing, so I figure
that fdisk will remove all the malwares and the recovery program
should run. I tried booting into safe mode and the thing still froze
up. We tried restore points to no satsifaction. I tried killing
processes, but something is still utilizing all processing cycles and
perhaps system files are corrupted, as it refuses to cooperate.

Has anyone been in this position with an XP OEM recovery CD?
I know nothing about NTFS.

Anyway, his system is riddled with all sorts of malwares (other than
Norton). He neither did the critical updates nor updated the Norton AV
he has. The price is steep. He has valuable files that we cannot
retrieve. He's a light, casual user just learning the cost of lapsed
security on the part of the user, as each of us most likely learned
the hard way at some point.
 
Yes, I experienced that at the other guys XP computer, although I'm not
familiar with XP, there were some that I knew weren't applicable, so a
total install was not a good idea. Filtering is needed, but it takes
some research. I didn't have the time or resources on that trip to do
that homework for him.
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Much as I hate Microsoft, all of the updates have descriptions which
make it relatively easy to decide which ones you need and which ones
you don't. Anything that says "vulnerability" should be applied;
anything that simply enhances or corrects bugs in Windows apps that
you don't use can be ignored.

Even so, you'll end up downloading twenty or thirty patches totalling
a couple score megabytes, probably. With DSL this is maybe ten
minutes or so (plus actual install time) - with 56K modem, might as
well do it overnight.
 
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