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Ron Reaugh
JJ said:
YES, does it cost money? Do you have to renew it?
YES, does it cost money? Do you have to renew it?
A
Art
I presume you mean "lacks"? No, McAfee is NOT lacking in the Trojan
detection department. As I said, it's right up there close to KAV. It
also has settings, in some versions at least, to alert on some
"controversialware" ... just as KAV does. However, it's hard to say
just how they compare in "fringe area" detection of various spyware,
adware, dialers, etc. It's best to use spyware and adware scanners
along with top notch av products.
Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
J
JJ
yes...KAV is not free....however it's worth it.
All good AV programs are not free...think of it.
http://www.kaspersky.com/
check it out.
if you don't want to pay for it use a fileshare program like edonky2000
or emule to download it with a keyfile and/or a crack...it works great!
JJ
All good AV programs are not free...think of it.
http://www.kaspersky.com/
check it out.
if you don't want to pay for it use a fileshare program like edonky2000
or emule to download it with a keyfile and/or a crack...it works great!
JJ
J
JJ
hitman pro 2.0 is free and will do just the thing against spyware.
try it.
JJ
try it.
JJ
R
Ron Reaugh
JJ said:
YES, do just that...think about it. Free and the requirement NOT to have
to renew subscriptions makes for a vastly superior product.
C
* * Chas
Ron Reaugh said:
Dream on. Vastly superior because it costs you no money or because it
works better?
"It's unwise to pay too much, but it's unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much you lose a little money, that is all.
When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything,
because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought
it to do.
The common law of business prohibits paying a little and getting a lot -
it can't be done.
If you deal with the lowest bidder, it's well to add something for the
risk you run.
And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."
John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Author, Influential Critic, Philosopher
Chas.
B
Blackheart
Art answered:
Considering your site is for windows ME, I'd say you have shit for
brains. STFU.
Macafee indeed.... Buwahahahahahahahahaha
Considering your site is for windows ME, I'd say you have shit for
brains. STFU.
Macafee indeed.... Buwahahahahahahahahaha
R
Ron Reaugh
* * Chas said:
What's unwise is to have a product that has a subscription which many will
fail to renew thus leaving the Inet full of typhoid marys.
Dollars are not the issue. Protection is the issue. Dollars reduce
protection of the overall Inet environment. Now if someone would sell a
good reasonably priced virus checker with a lifetime or 5 year subscription
then things might be different. An Inet environment full of users with AVG
is a safer and better place than an Inet full of folks with expired great
virus checkers.
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Art
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Jack Zwick
Art answered:
Typical answer from someone professing to know what he's doing, but at
the same time found to be *SO ****ING STUPID* as to be using a POS OS
such as Windows ME.
Try forming words after you grow up.
Typical answer from someone professing to know what he's doing, but at
the same time found to be *SO ****ING STUPID* as to be using a POS OS
such as Windows ME.
Try forming words after you grow up.
A
Art
Yes, I do still have one machine with Win ME running. It's a Hp
Pavilion with a 900 mhz PIII that just won't quit. Solid as a rock,
and a really great trouble-free machine.
Do come back after getting a brain transplant, dimbulb.
Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
J
Jack Zwick
Art answered:
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! *WHAT A DUMB ***** Did your parents have kids
THAT LIVED?
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! *WHAT A DUMB ***** Did your parents have kids
THAT LIVED?
G
Gaz
Jack Zwick said:
I have found WinMe to be hit and miss, a good installation is a good
installation, for a home user, pre XP, it has many benefits, its native
support for digital cameras, usb thumb drives etc, combined with system
restore, and a more wizard based user interface are for the novice very
useful.
Winme can also be useful for a user who has an older computer but no drivers
disk (or hope of getting one), the driver database in winme is much greater
then win98se, and can pick up many soundcards, network cards and graphics
etc.
I once came across an old laptop, a far east obscure brand, it was not
possible to trace the win98 drivers for the graphics chip built-in following
a reinstall, the system was too underpowered for XP, with win98 it had
default graphics (on an old laptop screen, if it was built for 800x600, and
you could only get 600x400, you ended up with an inch black border around
the screen), i installed winme, and the little bugger installed the correct
driver.
That is a result.
The beta of Winme, by the way was more reliable and stable then the full
released version.
Gaz
C
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
Most retail sales droids will push "Norton" or "McAfee" (i.e. Symantec
or Network Associates).
Well found - it's got the most solid rep, and it does commercial
malware as well (thouhg I wouldn't throw away free AdAware, Spybot,
MSASBeta and HiJackThis just yet).
Well, it's about "the channel".
"Norton" and "McAfee" pitch to end users through large glossy media
ads and so on, and old-timers who remember Peter Norton's excellent
DOS-era utilities and John McAfee's pioneering work in the DOS era of
av (when McAfee was free for end users) will nod sagely at those
names, even though the figurhead personalities have moved on.
Having created public demand, "Norton" and "McAfee" offer their goods
in nicely-packaged shrink-wrap to the retail channel, so they can mark
up and resell it. Other av such as Kaspersky or NOD32 may be better,
but may sell directly to users via the 'net; no nice middle-man
opportunity for retail there.
So are you really surprised that retail sales droids don't talk about
anything other than "Norton" and "McAfee"?
Register? Hardware processors have registers, software may have
registry entries. Do you mean, registry entry?
"Sit on this and rotate" would be my response to that suggestion...
That's interesting. WordPad doesn't interpret Visual Basic for
Attacks or Word macros, so they must be hedging against some sort of
code exploit... or maybe they want to starve you towards MS Office
Possibly. In some cases, registry settings and/or Program Files
subdirs may be pre-seeded so that appropriate permissions can be set,
and so on. That may be the case here.. or you may already have active
malware that's seeded its own "Norton" material, either to kosh
"Norton" or as protective camoflage. As "Norton" contains its own
commercial malware - a hidden system designed to DoS you if it
"thinks" you are breaking their precious licensing terms - you'd not
want to pick a fight with it, deleting arbitrary files etc.
So pretending to be a part of "Norton" is quite smart. even if those
files or settings didn't have a particular counter-NAV purpose.
Possible - for example, you may have installed MS Office with Outlook,
and elected to include Symatec's WinFax starter edition. The "Norton"
branded products tend to share some common code, such as used to pull
down updates (LiveUpdate), so if you've had any "Norton" products
installed at all, it may be from that. Many OEMs ship with a
time-bombed NAV (yes, I know; all commercial av is time-bombed for 12
months at a time, but this would be a 1 or 3 month fuse)
There are a lot of av out there, incliding some free ones (AVG, Avast,
Anti-Vir, Clam AV). Fee ones include NOD32, Trend PC-cillin, F-Secure
(uses Kaspersky and F-Prot engines), Sophos, Panda, eTrust, etc.
Because of the "product activation" commercial malware factor,
"Norton" would be at the very bottom of my list. I'm using AVG as
resident scanner, and Trend SysClean and F-Prot for DOS as my
on-demand scanners for formal post-infection interventions.
All of those are free for non-commercial use.
Forget http://cquirke.blogspot.com and check out a
better one at http://topicdrift.blogspot.com instead!
R
Ron Reaugh
message
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RIGHT, like most the other well informed.
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RIGHT, like most the other well informed.
K
kurt wismer
Jack Zwick wrote:
[snip]
perhaps the words "non sequitur" would be to your liking, or maybe "ad
hominem"... or perhaps your OS zealotry would prevent you from liking
those words...
whatever...
you folks have obviously failed to grasp the nature of rational
discourse if your rebuttals of the points he made are based on entirely
unrelated data... his assessment of mcafee's trojan detection ability
has nothing to do with what operating system he uses... stop confusing
yourselves with such extraneous trivialities...
[snip]
perhaps the words "non sequitur" would be to your liking, or maybe "ad
hominem"... or perhaps your OS zealotry would prevent you from liking
those words...
whatever...
you folks have obviously failed to grasp the nature of rational
discourse if your rebuttals of the points he made are based on entirely
unrelated data... his assessment of mcafee's trojan detection ability
has nothing to do with what operating system he uses... stop confusing
yourselves with such extraneous trivialities...
C
* * Chas
Art, don't feed the Troll, just PLONK his butt!
Chas.
K
Kaimbridge
cquirke said:
Under HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Symantec, there is a "LiveUpdate
Administration Utility" folder, and under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Symantec, there are several folders:
"CCPD-LC", "IDS", "InstalledApps", "PaqchInst", "SharedUsage",
"Symevent" and "SymNetDrv"!.
I went to their site and searched, and came up with the culprit:
# The two most common causes for the error messages to display when
# launching 16 bit applications are outdated (older) Symantec Event
# files (Symevnt) or a corrupt registry key. To resolve the problem,
# use the steps in the following sections.
#
# Update the Symevnt files
# To update Symevnt files, download and run the Sevinst.exe update
# file.
I bit and ran it and it did seem to cure it (though now in "Program
Files/Symantec", there are five brand new files: S32EVNT1.DLL,
SYMEVENT.CAT, SYMEVENT.INF and SYMEVENT.SYS! P=/ ).
I had considered seeing if I could remove their program/registry files,
but came to the same conclusion you did: Let sleeping dogs lie!
These two pages give the cure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/883090
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=870883
I tried it and .doc files open fine now! P=)
~Kaimbridge~
C
Charlie
Peter..blow it out your ass....
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Charlie
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Charlie
Peter Seiler said:
P
Paul
I highly agree with what you said.
I've noticed so many people will go out and buy norton, but after a
year. They don't feel like upgrading it and wham they get hit with a
virus.
Of course someone will say that it was their own fault for not doing
the upgrade. But I don't think alot of people can justify paying over
$50 per year, just to be protected. For the longest time I would just
download norton illegally and install it on any system I might build
for a friend. I would inform them that they have a pirated copy of the
program and I could uninstall it, but I did recomend not to. I know I
was stealing, but in my opinion I could give a rats ass if I was.
AVG may not be the most gimicky AV program. But it does its job and it
does it without bugging you about it.
One thing that bugged me about norton was when using windows 2000 or XP
you had to be running in an administrator account for it to be able to
do the weekly virus updates. Which is stupid, because I had set my
parents up in regular accounts so as they couldn't start changing the
settings. With AVG it does its update perfectly in the regular user
account. Which is great.
I've noticed so many people will go out and buy norton, but after a
year. They don't feel like upgrading it and wham they get hit with a
virus.
Of course someone will say that it was their own fault for not doing
the upgrade. But I don't think alot of people can justify paying over
$50 per year, just to be protected. For the longest time I would just
download norton illegally and install it on any system I might build
for a friend. I would inform them that they have a pirated copy of the
program and I could uninstall it, but I did recomend not to. I know I
was stealing, but in my opinion I could give a rats ass if I was.
AVG may not be the most gimicky AV program. But it does its job and it
does it without bugging you about it.
One thing that bugged me about norton was when using windows 2000 or XP
you had to be running in an administrator account for it to be able to
do the weekly virus updates. Which is stupid, because I had set my
parents up in regular accounts so as they couldn't start changing the
settings. With AVG it does its update perfectly in the regular user
account. Which is great.