K-Meleon and IE

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Anyone know why K-Meleon browser will occasionally report "connection
refused" when attempting to access a web-page which loads fine into IE?
T.I.A.
 
Anyone know why K-Meleon browser will occasionally report
"connection refused" when attempting to access a web-page
which loads fine into IE? T.I.A.
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Probably the site is blocking non IE browsers, my guess.
 
Probably the site is blocking non IE browsers, my guess.
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But the site can't tell what browser you're using without the
browser first telling the server what browser is being used--and
considering that he's getting "connection refused", that means that
he's not even getting far enough for the website to know what
browser he is using.
 
Anyone know why K-Meleon browser will occasionally report
"connection refused" when attempting to access a web-page which
loads fine into IE? T.I.A.
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It's not clear from your post whether the entire page itself doesn't
load, or if the page loads but you get an error regarding connection
refused. If it's the former of the two, I don't know what causes it.
If it's the latter of the two, then it could be caused by a hosts file
being used to block ads. Whereas IE will quietly ignore sites where a
connection is refused, K-Meleon may display an error window.
 
Phoenix said:
Anyone know why K-Meleon browser will occasionally report "connection
refused" when attempting to access a web-page which loads fine into
IE? T.I.A.
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Because IE works better? Okay, here come the flames...........
 
But the site can't tell what browser you're using without
the browser first telling the server what browser is being
used--and considering that he's getting "connection
refused", that means that he's not even getting far enough
for the website to know what browser he is using.
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Another possible reason is some sort of software/firewall/proxr
interference. That exists in one case, but not the other.
 
But the site can't tell what browser you're using without
the browser first telling the server what browser is being
used--and considering that he's getting "connection
refused", that means that he's not even getting far enough
for the website to know what browser he is using.
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I think you may be wrong about this.
Here are two ways to check one is freeware called viewhead.
http://www.rexswain.com/httpview.html
http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/freeware/
 
Regarding you comment...
"It's not clear from your post whether the entire page itself doesn't
load, or if the page loads but you get an error regarding connection
refused.

There is no attempt to load, or part load anything. You just follow a link
or paste an address into the address bar and bang - just a small dialogue
box - "connection refused".
Then launch IE, try the same address and it works without error. Seen it
happen with a variety of different addresses. I have quite a long hosts file
with all the usual advertising sites set to 127.0.0.1 but that has never
caused me any problems with IE. In any event, I have checked the refused
addresse(s) against the hosts file and there are no matches.
 
DC said:
No flame.

Define "works better", please. Cite specific examples.
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Not being the sophisticated, knowledgeable Internet user that many in
this newsgroup are, I view how well it works by usability and
customization.

As a user of Netscape for years I fought turning to the Dark Side much
longer than my peers. Eventually realizing Netscape was just too slow
in rendering pages and its inability to view many sites, made me start
using IE. Since then IE has served me well and I happen to like how it
is integrated into the OS. Perhaps that is a major security flaw for
the novice user, but the fact that most websites these days are written
for IE, not necessarily standards compliant browsers, makes it less of a
pain to use.

There is no doubt IE has its limitations, but for my use they don't
outweigh the strengths. Besides, the best thing IE does is the click
noise (grin). If Mozilla based browsers could do that then I might look
again.
 
Not being the sophisticated, knowledgeable Internet user that many in
this newsgroup are, I view how well it works by usability and
customization.
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IE customisation? O...kay...
As a user of Netscape for years I fought turning to the Dark Side much
longer than my peers. Eventually realizing Netscape was just too slow
in rendering pages and its inability to view many sites, made me start
using IE.
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Boy, are you missing out, now. Try a Mozilla-based browser and see how
fast they are. Do *not* use Netscape, with all of its AOL bloat.
Firebird (formerly Phoenix) would be a good place to start.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/

Customisation -- see the resource links down the left side of the page
(if that is where IE puts them, that is.. };O)
Since then IE has served me well and I happen to like how it
is integrated into the OS.
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What's there to like?
the novice user, but the fact that most websites these days are written
for IE, not necessarily standards compliant browsers, makes it less of a
pain to use.
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No comment.
There is no doubt IE has its limitations, but for my use they don't
outweigh the strengths.
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The only strength you've alluded to is a perceived speed advantage
(which is debatable).

Encouraging broken HTML/skewed web design practices and OS integration
(???) are not strengths.
Besides, the best thing IE does is the click
noise (grin). If Mozilla based browsers could do that then I might look
again.
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Oh. Well, I can't argue that.
 
Not being the sophisticated, knowledgeable Internet user that many in
this newsgroup are, I view how well it works by usability and
customization.
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Usability is debatable, but how on earth can you claim that IE is
more customizable than Mozilla/Mozilla Firebird? There practically
isn't a thing you /can't/ change or tweak in these programs.

Don't like the Help menuitem? Remove it.
Don't like how the engine renders X? Tweak it.
Don't like this and that HTML tag? Ignore it.
Don't like how the browser behaves when doing X? Change it.

Most of the stuff can be changed by editing a config file (or toggling
a switch inside the program). You don't have to be a programmer,
but if you are, you can change even more stuff seeing as the source
code is freely available.
As a user of Netscape for years I fought turning to the Dark Side much
longer than my peers. Eventually realizing Netscape was just too slow
in rendering pages and its inability to view many sites, made me start
using IE.
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I hope you're not thinking that the new Mozillas are just updated
versions of Netscape 4? They don't really have that much in common
with it.
Besides, the best thing IE does is the click noise (grin). If Mozilla
based browsers could do that then I might look again.
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I believe that this is an open bug. I'm not sure why this is a
showstopper for you though.
 
DC wrote:
IE customisation? O...kay...
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Mozilla is much more customizable for sure. But one important (to me)
feature in IE that doesn't exist in Mozilla is moveable toolbars. I hope the
Mozilla/Firebird developers add that feature soon.
 
I think it is a little unfair to compare IE with Phoenix. Phoenix is a
customized and enhanced version Mozilla and should be compared to, for
example MyIE2, which is considerably better then plain MS IE
 
Mozilla is much more customizable for sure. But one important (to me)
feature in IE that doesn't exist in Mozilla is moveable toolbars. I hope the
Mozilla/Firebird developers add that feature soon.
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It's already in Firebird and has been there for a /very/ long time. You can't
move them one toolbar at a time, you need to move the icons. The endeffect
is exactly the same though.
 
Mozilla is much more customizable for sure. But one important (to me)
feature in IE that doesn't exist in Mozilla is moveable toolbars. I hope the
Mozilla/Firebird developers add that feature soon.
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You can move pretty much *any* of Firebird's[1] toolbar items around.
Suggest you take another look.

[1] Firebird only -- not the Moz suite.
 
I think it is a little unfair to compare IE with Phoenix.
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Well, I don't. I think it's a perfectly fine apples-to-apples comparison.
Phoenix is a customized and enhanced version Mozilla
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Yes, but Firebird is more than just an addon. It's a rewrite (of sorts) that
uses the same engine that Mozilla does. It's standalone. In fact, it's meant
to replace Mozilla (browser) in due time.
and should be compared to, for example MyIE2, which is considerably
better then plain MS IE
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I haven't used MyIE2, but I don't get the impression that you can customize
much of its 'guts' either.
 
I think you may be wrong about this.
Here are two ways to check one is freeware called viewhead.
http://www.rexswain.com/httpview.html
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I guess I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove...it shows that the
User-Agent header--the header which tells the server what browser you
are using--is sent to the site. Now, how can the header be sent to
the site if the connection is refused ("connection refused" meaning
that the remote computer has that port closed).
http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/freeware/
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Useful and interesting-looking, but not relevant to the conversation
as far as I can see.
 
Regarding you comment...
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Actually, it was my comment...
"It's not clear from your post whether the entire page itself
doesn't load, or if the page loads but you get an error regarding
connection refused.

There is no attempt to load, or part load anything. You just
follow a link or paste an address into the address bar and bang -
just a small dialogue box - "connection refused".
Then launch IE, try the same address and it works without error.
Seen it happen with a variety of different addresses. I have quite
a long hosts file with all the usual advertising sites set to
127.0.0.1 but that has never caused me any problems with IE. In
any event, I have checked the refused addresse(s) against the
hosts file and there are no matches.
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The only other idea that comes to mind is that maybe K-Meleon is set
up to use a proxy that Internet Explorer isn't, or vice versa. Check
the proxy settings for both, and make sure that K-Meleon's proxy
settings mirror those of Internet Explorer.
 
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