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Harry Ohrn said:
Why should posters be encouraged to use "all self help prior to posting"?
That requirement is not suggested in the Rules of Conduct
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx If such a
position is written someplace please point to it. I thought the Microsoft
position has always been to help new users.

BTW for those looking for answers to questions and aren't interested in
being chastised for doing so you can simply go to www.google.com then
search for this string : How to find help for Windows XP

Harry,

You have missed my point.
If the person with the problem follows your advice of a Google search on how
to find help.
They get all the links to the self help services, FAQ, guides etc etc .
Which is exactly the point I was making. Why post and answer and wait for a
response when a simple search or looking something up in one of the many
resources will answer your question for you immediately.

As I posted on another similar question when some asked me why I posted a
link to a location that gave the answer to a question an not just the
answer - it comes back to the old saying about "give a man a fish and feed
him for a day, teach him to fish and he can feed himself for life".

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Mike Brannigan said:
Ken,

If all the answers to all the questions were available then yes we would
not need newsgroups like this.
This would be the ideal situation if all persons answered all the questions
they had from existing information sources.
However this is not the case. What is true is that the majority of
questions you find in these groups could have been answered if the original
poster had looked in one of the common sources of help. Such as Help and
Support etc.
If these persons helped themselves to the answers to simple questions it
would leave more bandwidth for those with more complex less obvious
questions.

The real issue here is that people just will not do anything in many cases
to help themselves and would rather post a question and wait for an answer.

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Mike
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If such a
Harry,

You have missed my point.
If the person with the problem follows your advice of a Google search on how
to find help.
They get all the links to the self help services, FAQ, guides etc etc .
Which is exactly the point I was making. Why post and answer and wait for a
response when a simple search or looking something up in one of the many
resources will answer your question for you immediately.

As I posted on another similar question when some asked me why I posted a
link to a location that gave the answer to a question an not just the
answer - it comes back to the old saying about "give a man a fish and feed
him for a day, teach him to fish and he can feed himself for life".

--
Regards,

Mike
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Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day; set him on
fire and he'll be warm for the rest of this life.
 
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Mike Brannigan said:
Ken,

If all the answers to all the questions were available then yes we
would not need newsgroups like this.


But the answers *are* all (or almost all) available. My point was
that none of us dispenses secret information that only we have.
It's all documented somewhere. Where did we get the knowledge we
have? We got it reading books, frequenting newsgroups like this
one, doing Google searches, looking at the Microsoft Knowledge
Base, etc.--the same places that others could do their research
in.

This would be the ideal situation if all persons answered all the
questions they had from existing information sources.
However this is not the case. What is true is that the majority of
questions you find in these groups could have been answered if the
original poster had looked in one of the common sources of help.
Such as Help and Support etc.


True. If not literally all, then the vast majority of, questions
can be answered by doing research, rather than asking someone
else. But as I say in point 1. below, the ability to do affective
research is not a skill that everyone possesses.


If these persons helped themselves to the answers to simple questions
it would leave more bandwidth for those with more complex less obvious
questions.


I don't like to see bandwidth wasted either, but from a practical
point of view, the bandwidth here is essentially unlimited. One
person's using some of it does not make less available for
someone else.

I answer lots of questions here, and many of them are questions
I've answered many times before. To save time I cut and paste
when I can, and write new text when I can't. I don't complain
about someone's asking an old question. I just provide an answer
when I'm able to. Besides not having the research skills, many
people who ask aren't even aware of what opportunities for
research there are. I just help when I can and don't berate
someone for not using resources he probably didn't even know
existed.

The real issue here is that people just will not do anything in many
cases to help themselves and would rather post a question and wait
for an answer.


And if my wife would help herself to the answers to simple
questions (which are as available to her as they are to the folks
here), she wouldn't waste my time answering her. She doesn't do
it herself for two reasons:

1. She's not skilled at looking for and finding answers. Contrary
to what many people think, even when answers are available,
knowing where and how to find them is a skill that not everyone
possesses. As a single example, if you don't know what something
is called, it's very hard to do a web search on it.

2. She knows that I'm glad to help her when I can, and at the
expense of a few minutes of my time, I can often save many
minutes of her time.

In my view, most of the people who come here asking questions
aren't very different from my wife. The same two reasons are
applicable in most of their cases: they are not skilled at doing
research, and I'm glad to help them when I can.
 
Actually I don't think I missed your point at all Mike. I think you missed
mine. These groups are here to provide technical support. If people do not
want to offer tech support then they should be the ones to go elsewhere and
search the internet.

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Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
 
Harry Ohrn said:
I've always wondered why people are advised to search for answers before
posting to technical support newsgroups like this one. I thought the purpose
of these groups was to answer questions. Isn't a person, posting a question
here, doing a search for answers to their questions.

I agree. & you've already been running Windows ME, so you already
have a basic understanding. You don't need any "dummy" books. In
fact I'll say don't even bother buying any books. If you really want
to get something, something like "Windows XP The Missing Manual. But
I bought it but have only cracked it open a couple of times. It is
much easier to type in something XP related in Google and get what you
need from there. It is even easier to post a question in a related
newsgroup. (Of course I agree with Harry. If not, what are they for
then?).

Big Mac
 
Mike Brannigan said:
No. A significant number of questions are asked and answered over and over
again.
Posters should be encouraged to use all self help techniques prior to
posting a question.
This includes the simple task of searching the relevant newsgroup prior to
posting a question to which the answer has already been given.
This would ideally help cut down on the number of duplicate posts and thus
allow those with a unique problem that has not be answered elsewhere getting
more help from more people.

I'll agree about doing a search of the current newsgroup for related
posts. Help section OK too. Cracking open a book all of the time I
don't agree with. Google search - OK. But I feel that the newsgroups
are here to use for convenience too, and to save time from doing
searching and hoping you find an easily understood solution.

Big Mac
 
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