It's not Vista there's something wrong with, it's the hardware requirements.

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ceed said:
HeyBub wrote:

|Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop.

No they didn't, but they probably didn't tell the PC manufacturers not
to use those stickers either. Or do you think HP, Dell and the others
put them on there randomly without any involvement from Microsoft at
all? I don't. This article indicates that Microsoft isn't completely
innocent when it comes to these stickers:

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/were_vista_capable_stickers_incapable.html
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The sticker thing was a mess all round, made worse by the fact that the
manufacturers were slow in properly preparing for Vista.

Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run Vista
as well as a higher powered machine would..


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ceed said:
HeyBub wrote:

|Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop.

No they didn't, but they probably didn't tell the PC manufacturers not
to use those stickers either. Or do you think HP, Dell and the others
put them on there randomly without any involvement from Microsoft at
all? I don't. This article indicates that Microsoft isn't completely
innocent when it comes to these stickers:

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/were_vista_capable_stickers_incapable.html
Click to expand...

Actually I Read somewhere that Microsoft lowered the standards at the
manufacturers request as they didn't make much that met the spec. That is,
most new PCs couldn't run Vista by the original spec.
 
Mike Hall - MVP said:
The sticker thing was a mess all round, made worse by the fact that the
manufacturers were slow in properly preparing for Vista.

Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run
Vista as well as a higher powered machine would..
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How in late 2006 could you prepare for Vista and still have an affordable
PC? Say one under $1000?

Microsoft is clueless as to what their main stream customers want. Not all
of go out and spend $500 for the lowest latency RAM, another $500 for the
state of the art video GPU, then buy at least 3GB or RAM with dual core in
later 2006/early 2007.

Oh yea, it works on a low end new PC alright, just not a good experience.
The market is moving to laptops and tablets and their isn't the power to
drive a high end GPU. I don't know internally what makes Vista slow like a
snail, but bloated Vista is not a good match to what the main line market
wants.
 
The sticker thing was a mess all round, made worse by the fact that the
manufacturers were slow in properly preparing for Vista.

Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run Vista
as well as a higher powered machine would..
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As usual, when Mike Hall opens his mouth, crap falls out.

Reality check:

One of several marketing tactics used by Microsoft to increase sales
is the so-called Vista Certified logo program. Unlike a NEW or
IMPROVED sticker on a cereal box or toilet paper that is announcing
some trivial improvement Microsoft is saying by allowing hardware
makers to stick a Vista Certified logo on their products is they stand
behind the product and have required that the hardware that bears the
Vista Certified logo to have been through and PASSED extensive lab
testing and will perform up to certain standards. This is to ensure
potential customers when buying new hardware that the hardware will
perform correctly under Vista.

The reality is THIS IS A BOLD FACE LIE.

I know from first hand experience. I bought a Gigabyte motherboard
over a year ago that carried the Vista Certified logo. The primary
reason I bought it... to avoid problems. They also had this logo
plastered all over their web site.

This board did NOT run properly under Vista with regard to SATA drives
and also failed to perform correctly with the included Ethernet
controller. Not until MONTHS later when proper Vista drivers were
finally offered did either work correctly. This is FRAUD pure and
simple.

The inescapable conclusion is the Vista Certified logo is worthless
and is allowed to be used to sell hardware that has NOT passed testing
resulting in customers enduring problems they were assured would not
happen.

Fanboys fools of course giggle and try to make up excuses why this
isn't Microsoft's fault. Of course it is their fault since they
knowingly allow hardware to be sold carrying a Vista Certified logo
that is then shipped without the necessary drivers needed making the
logo program many customer depend on to make buying choices worthless.

Know maybe you'll begin to understand some of resentment towards
Microsoft when things like this have been happening for years. The
bottom line is Microsoft has no accountability and accepts no
responsibility for anything. It is one never ending con game to get
people to buy more Microsoft crap.
 
HeyBub said:
Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop.
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You are absolutely right! They did something worse which was give in to
Intel's choice to defraud customers with the whole Vista ready fiasco.
MS Really screwed up on that one!

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DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
 
Canuck57 said:
How in late 2006 could you prepare for Vista and still have an affordable
PC? Say one under $1000?

Microsoft is clueless as to what their main stream customers want. Not
all of go out and spend $500 for the lowest latency RAM, another $500 for
the state of the art video GPU, then buy at least 3GB or RAM with dual
core in later 2006/early 2007.

Oh yea, it works on a low end new PC alright, just not a good experience.
The market is moving to laptops and tablets and their isn't the power to
drive a high end GPU. I don't know internally what makes Vista slow like
a snail, but bloated Vista is not a good match to what the main line
market wants.
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You are so stuck on prices, and so off the mark at the same time..


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Mike Hall - MVP said:
You are so stuck on prices, and so off the mark at the same time..
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Isn't Microsoft being sued for this misrepresentation?

A F150 can haul a 747 too. But I don't think Ford advertises it due to
practicality. The Vista-747 is the same way, a heavy.
 
Canuck57 said:
Isn't Microsoft being sued for this misrepresentation?

A F150 can haul a 747 too. But I don't think Ford advertises it due to
practicality. The Vista-747 is the same way, a heavy.
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Not without a massive amount of strengthening, it can't.

Microsoft didn't clearly state to the manufacturers the true meanings of the
labels, and the manufacturers took full advantage by passing off crap as
Vista Ready/Compatible..

But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems..


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Not without a massive amount of strengthening, it can't.

Microsoft didn't clearly state to the manufacturers the true meanings of the
labels, and the manufacturers took full advantage by passing off crap as
Vista Ready/Compatible..

But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems..
Click to expand...

You've already demonstrated how far you can crawl up Microsoft's ass.
Are you trying to break Frank's record?
 
Mike Hall - MVP said:
Not without a massive amount of strengthening, it can't.

Microsoft didn't clearly state to the manufacturers the true meanings of
the labels, and the manufacturers took full advantage by passing off crap
as Vista Ready/Compatible..

But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems..
Click to expand...

My point though is that this isn't the consumers fault. I would not doubt
the vendors were over zealous of putting Vista-compatible on the PCs. The
consumer isn't going to view it as MS is OK and the vendor is the perp.
Besides I believe all vendors have had their issues, Dell, HP, Aspire,
Lenovo and others.

But I do not see how Microsoft is not in part to blame no mater how you look
at it. Developing a OS that needs such high performance and specific and
perfect drivers to operate correctly - they should have built a PC that
could do it.

But the tides are turning. Going to have to get one of these Eee PC
things...Amazon and others can't seem to keep the Linux ones in stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/
 
Canuck57 said:
My point though is that this isn't the consumers fault. I would not doubt
the vendors were over zealous of putting Vista-compatible on the PCs. The
consumer isn't going to view it as MS is OK and the vendor is the perp.
Besides I believe all vendors have had their issues, Dell, HP, Aspire,
Lenovo and others.

But I do not see how Microsoft is not in part to blame no mater how you
look at it. Developing a OS that needs such high performance and specific
and perfect drivers to operate correctly - they should have built a PC
that could do it.

But the tides are turning. Going to have to get one of these Eee PC
things...Amazon and others can't seem to keep the Linux ones in stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/
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Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom knew
better, put money before customer satisfaction.

Vista requires a reasonably decent computer on which to run, but it does not
require the most expensive of everything as you seem to believe.

Re drivers, could you please give one example of an OS which does not need
specific drivers in order to run a device and, while you are about it,
provide a reason why you think that the device manufacturers don't write a
'one driver fits all' driver.

The Eee PC will have the same success with turning tides as King Canute. Is
the Eee PC waterproof? Which one did you have in mind?

http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

|Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom
|knew better, put money before customer satisfaction.
|
|Vista requires a reasonably decent computer on which to run, but it
|does not require the most expensive of everything as you seem to
|believe.
|
|Re drivers, could you please give one example of an OS which does not
|need specific drivers in order to run a device and, while you are
|about it, provide a reason why you think that the device
|manufacturers don't write a 'one driver fits all' driver.
|
|The Eee PC will have the same success with turning tides as King
|Canute. Is the Eee PC waterproof? Which one did you have in mind?
|
|http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

Of course Microsoft is partly to blame, so is the PC manufacturers, and
finally so am I for believing a sticker. I should have known better!
It's like when the Linux crowd says "Ubuntu is so easy to install and
runs on almost all computers". If they put a sticker like that on a
computer and tried to sell it to me I would be a fool to believe it coz
it ain't true! Neither was the "Vista Ready" thing. The computers might
have been "Vista Ready", but when it came down to it they couldn't
handle it.
 
ceed said:
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

|Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom
|knew better, put money before customer satisfaction.
|
|Vista requires a reasonably decent computer on which to run, but it
|does not require the most expensive of everything as you seem to
|believe.
|
|Re drivers, could you please give one example of an OS which does not
|need specific drivers in order to run a device and, while you are
|about it, provide a reason why you think that the device
|manufacturers don't write a 'one driver fits all' driver.
|
|The Eee PC will have the same success with turning tides as King
|Canute. Is the Eee PC waterproof? Which one did you have in mind?
|
|http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

Of course Microsoft is partly to blame, so is the PC manufacturers, and
finally so am I for believing a sticker. I should have known better!
It's like when the Linux crowd says "Ubuntu is so easy to install and
runs on almost all computers". If they put a sticker like that on a
computer and tried to sell it to me I would be a fool to believe it coz
it ain't true! Neither was the "Vista Ready" thing. The computers might
have been "Vista Ready", but when it came down to it they couldn't
handle it.
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Well, the PC makers fall down badly on at least one aspect, memory. XP
machines did not have enough, Vista machines do not have enough, I
suppose they "Hope" users will upgrade but most people do not want to
dismantle a new machine. Every OS runs better with more memory. This is
not made clear in the ads. Sure XP will run with 256MB, Vista with 1GB,
but at least double that to get a decent performance with more than a
couple of tasks. CPU speed is irrelevant without the support of adequate
memory.

This traps the less knowledgeable user every time.
 
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