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Colin Barnhorst
As Yoda would say, "Green today, we are."
Jane C said:ROFL! IAEJ, BTW
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Does wifie know about this? lol
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Colin Barnhorst said:Just because I ordered a Core 2 Duo machine with 4GB of PC6400 ram, 1TB of
internal storage, and a GeForce 7900GT card? Just FYI, OOBE, FWIW, RTFM.
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Well have fun then and thanks for the info!
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deebs
erm, ... I'm trying to think about something profound to type.
Will "drool" do?
Will "drool" do?
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Guest
Oh well. I was in the process of downloading 5472 (only got 19% there...)
when I found 5536 on connect. Super coolness.
when I found 5536 on connect. Super coolness.
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Chad Harris
Mr. Inside--
There is no NDA on the Technical Beta "material" and you didn't specifiy
what material you are misconstruing shouldn't be discussed. There isn't any
except that:
Basically the request has been made by the Beta administration not to past
content from the Beata newsgroups and messages from Connect on a particular
beta including Vista, which I suppose is an operating system that MSFT is
getting ready to shove out unfinished that now has a bunch of daily internal
builds and something called 5546 that's burning up the MSFT server downloads
right now.
This came in reaction to the practice for several months since the TBT
started where Beta ezines, following Vista would post email messages from
the Vista TBT via Connect on their sites to make announcments on
developments in the beta to lend some authenticity and "from the source"
accuracy to their blogs or sites. They were asked to stop pasting email
messages and newsgroup material fromt he Beta and basically they haven't and
won't. The fact that many of them get invited to the Redmond campus for
briefings reflects the business approach that MSFT wants to be discussed in
these peoples' web pages the way they are continuing to do. If MSFT didn't
want it discussed, they wouldn't be having Thurrott, Bink, and Mary Jo Foley
to Redmond or on the phone to discuss it.
The other group doing this widely who continue to do it and are not going
to stop have in fact been Microsoft employees on the Beta teams on their
own blogs who largely have operated as if they're bound to no agreement and
want to get the word out on the parts of Vista they own. They haven't
stopped this practice, and they won't. Their MSDN and technet blogs do a
lot to forge bridges between the public and the teams and to communicate and
educate.
I have no idea at all what you find being discussed you think is
objectionable or over the line of any Beta. I don't see anything remotely in
here or the setup group like that.
We know this is a public newsgroup and we know it's hosted by MSFT. The
server configuration is from the MSFT server farms in Redmond and it looks
like a ng to me.
What puzzles me is what you find objectionable that's being discussed. We
have someone from MSFT on here regularly sp;ending a good amount of his
time, and we have ocassional posts from others. We may disagree on ideas
about Vista, the Beta, etc. but no one has found anything that even
remotely is being "improperly discussed." And it doesn't harm MSFT or their
products that they get discussed inside and out.
A lot of us know what the confines of the Beta program are. The TBT does
not have an *NDA and that has been carefully empahisized in multiple
statements by the people who administrate it. Colin is an MVP and they may
have some agreements of confidentiality, with regard to their own programs,
or their participation in different Betas, but I guarantee you whatever
they, are he is well within it. TAP has some, but none of that is being
violated.
Colin has been scrupulously ethical about not mentioning anything that
would even be close to that classification. He has been tirelessly working
every day and night to get people through setup, to help with any and all
features of Vista from a vantage point of considerable understanding, and
sharing his experiences with his different hardware configurations including
a new state of the art box that he is getting. He has been in essence
teaching Vista.
MSFT has chosen to put up public newsgroups during the Beta which is only
logical because they have distributed Beta 2 and soon RC1 widely. Given
that it doesn't make sense to distribute the Beta and not provide help
groups, lol how can someone help with Vista if they are not able to talk
about , well um Vista. :>)
I fail to see what in the world has bothered you-- really I can't imagine
what it would be. If you disagree with some advise or some opinion then no
doubt you'll speak right up. But as for discussing Vista on a Vista
newsgroup--seems like a reflexly natural thing to do for me.
CH
There is no NDA on the Technical Beta "material" and you didn't specifiy
what material you are misconstruing shouldn't be discussed. There isn't any
except that:
Basically the request has been made by the Beta administration not to past
content from the Beata newsgroups and messages from Connect on a particular
beta including Vista, which I suppose is an operating system that MSFT is
getting ready to shove out unfinished that now has a bunch of daily internal
builds and something called 5546 that's burning up the MSFT server downloads
right now.
This came in reaction to the practice for several months since the TBT
started where Beta ezines, following Vista would post email messages from
the Vista TBT via Connect on their sites to make announcments on
developments in the beta to lend some authenticity and "from the source"
accuracy to their blogs or sites. They were asked to stop pasting email
messages and newsgroup material fromt he Beta and basically they haven't and
won't. The fact that many of them get invited to the Redmond campus for
briefings reflects the business approach that MSFT wants to be discussed in
these peoples' web pages the way they are continuing to do. If MSFT didn't
want it discussed, they wouldn't be having Thurrott, Bink, and Mary Jo Foley
to Redmond or on the phone to discuss it.
The other group doing this widely who continue to do it and are not going
to stop have in fact been Microsoft employees on the Beta teams on their
own blogs who largely have operated as if they're bound to no agreement and
want to get the word out on the parts of Vista they own. They haven't
stopped this practice, and they won't. Their MSDN and technet blogs do a
lot to forge bridges between the public and the teams and to communicate and
educate.
I have no idea at all what you find being discussed you think is
objectionable or over the line of any Beta. I don't see anything remotely in
here or the setup group like that.
We know this is a public newsgroup and we know it's hosted by MSFT. The
server configuration is from the MSFT server farms in Redmond and it looks
like a ng to me.
What puzzles me is what you find objectionable that's being discussed. We
have someone from MSFT on here regularly sp;ending a good amount of his
time, and we have ocassional posts from others. We may disagree on ideas
about Vista, the Beta, etc. but no one has found anything that even
remotely is being "improperly discussed." And it doesn't harm MSFT or their
products that they get discussed inside and out.
A lot of us know what the confines of the Beta program are. The TBT does
not have an *NDA and that has been carefully empahisized in multiple
statements by the people who administrate it. Colin is an MVP and they may
have some agreements of confidentiality, with regard to their own programs,
or their participation in different Betas, but I guarantee you whatever
they, are he is well within it. TAP has some, but none of that is being
violated.
Colin has been scrupulously ethical about not mentioning anything that
would even be close to that classification. He has been tirelessly working
every day and night to get people through setup, to help with any and all
features of Vista from a vantage point of considerable understanding, and
sharing his experiences with his different hardware configurations including
a new state of the art box that he is getting. He has been in essence
teaching Vista.
MSFT has chosen to put up public newsgroups during the Beta which is only
logical because they have distributed Beta 2 and soon RC1 widely. Given
that it doesn't make sense to distribute the Beta and not provide help
groups, lol how can someone help with Vista if they are not able to talk
about , well um Vista. :>)
I fail to see what in the world has bothered you-- really I can't imagine
what it would be. If you disagree with some advise or some opinion then no
doubt you'll speak right up. But as for discussing Vista on a Vista
newsgroup--seems like a reflexly natural thing to do for me.
CH
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Chad Harris
Correction it's 5536-- having a hard time getting the number--as if the
build number makes a bit of difference.
CH
build number makes a bit of difference.
CH
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Chad Harris
What is you talkin' 'bout anyways and using the Church Lady Ed Grimsley
subunctive. What is you tryin' to done restrict? You be confused but I is
real curossss as to what you think you need to get restricted. Too damn
many restrictions in my country now. Wire tappin, cameras snoopin and now
you is tryin' to restrict somepin somepin on da Vister.
Lemme ask ya Mr. Intel. It would seem to me from checkin' out these groups
that everyone should be striving to do some teachin 'cause there is lots of
them misconceptions on ole Vister. How bout you?
MSFT should be concerned that they have the volatile combination of two
things going. A 5536 build that is a little more polished with no real
significant improvement from 5472, and a time table on some robot's Project
list that is going to ship no matter what the quality. If I were them, it
would be even more compelling that information on how to work with Vista get
out.
I'm most interested in what you construe as "restricted" cause ain't notin'
done been discussed on this heregroup or the setup group that done been
restricted by nobody.
CH
subunctive. What is you tryin' to done restrict? You be confused but I is
real curossss as to what you think you need to get restricted. Too damn
many restrictions in my country now. Wire tappin, cameras snoopin and now
you is tryin' to restrict somepin somepin on da Vister.
Lemme ask ya Mr. Intel. It would seem to me from checkin' out these groups
that everyone should be striving to do some teachin 'cause there is lots of
them misconceptions on ole Vister. How bout you?
MSFT should be concerned that they have the volatile combination of two
things going. A 5536 build that is a little more polished with no real
significant improvement from 5472, and a time table on some robot's Project
list that is going to ship no matter what the quality. If I were them, it
would be even more compelling that information on how to work with Vista get
out.
I'm most interested in what you construe as "restricted" cause ain't notin'
done been discussed on this heregroup or the setup group that done been
restricted by nobody.
CH
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Raven Mill
Only ONE terrabyte? I have 4 RE2 500s on the way from Western Digital. Of
course, we're giving away 2 of those on the show sometime (randomly) in the
next couple months, and the other two will, if they beat the others sent by
vendors, will probably end up in our Random Raven System giveaway ... But I
have 4 500s from all of the vendors, so... FYI
I have 2 eVGA 7900GTs ... SLI should be working on Intel chipsets soon
enough. (If ya listened to the interview last week, you know why...
ROFLMAO
I have never really needed more than 2GB of RAM, but I may put the full 4gb
of DDR 6700 in for the c2d system because I'm starting to get back into
fractal generation, which is one of the bigger draws on CPU, IMHO
My LFWPT wants me to put Kubuntu on it, so I'll have to RTFM to see if it
has support for everything. But I want to see what it does with Vista.
So folks, TTYL during TechTAK on KFAR up here in AK. TC
TaK
course, we're giving away 2 of those on the show sometime (randomly) in the
next couple months, and the other two will, if they beat the others sent by
vendors, will probably end up in our Random Raven System giveaway ... But I
have 4 500s from all of the vendors, so...
FYII have 2 eVGA 7900GTs ... SLI should be working on Intel chipsets soon
enough. (If ya listened to the interview last week, you know why...
ROFLMAO
I have never really needed more than 2GB of RAM, but I may put the full 4gb
of DDR 6700 in for the c2d system because I'm starting to get back into
fractal generation, which is one of the bigger draws on CPU, IMHO
My LFWPT wants me to put Kubuntu on it, so I'll have to RTFM to see if it
has support for everything. But I want to see what it does with Vista.
So folks, TTYL during TechTAK on KFAR up here in AK. TC
TaK
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Raven Mill
I really love these posts. They are definately the most amusing.
I think that MS is perfectly okay with us chatting about anything we like,
provided it's not illegal or hurtfull to anyone other than those who seem to
want to complain about them. If you don't like the social aspect of the
newsgroup, go start your own and tell everyone they can ONLY talk about ONE
subject and never bring up any others.
In the same manner as radio works, you are free to turn the dial.
I have seen NO mention in the terms of use for this NG that states that
people can discuss ONE topic only. It's left open and (mostly) unmoderated
for a reason...
Sheesh...to all the people who believe, for some strange reason or another,
that THEY are the ones invoked with policing responsibilities on these NGs:
GET A LIFE. You're OBVIOUSLY too bored to know how NGs generally work, or
the way they ALWAYS end up.
I think that MS is perfectly okay with us chatting about anything we like,
provided it's not illegal or hurtfull to anyone other than those who seem to
want to complain about them. If you don't like the social aspect of the
newsgroup, go start your own and tell everyone they can ONLY talk about ONE
subject and never bring up any others.
In the same manner as radio works, you are free to turn the dial.
I have seen NO mention in the terms of use for this NG that states that
people can discuss ONE topic only. It's left open and (mostly) unmoderated
for a reason...
Sheesh...to all the people who believe, for some strange reason or another,
that THEY are the ones invoked with policing responsibilities on these NGs:
GET A LIFE. You're OBVIOUSLY too bored to know how NGs generally work, or
the way they ALWAYS end up.
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Raven Mill
Sorry...I know this post is not REALLY talking about that, but it has the
same significance...
same significance...
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Corey
I am having some problems with the Windows Mobile Device Center on Vista. I
have HP iPaq 2795 running Windows Mobile 5 and when I put the handheld
device in its cradle, the program doesn't execute. If possible can you help
me or direct to a support team who may know of this issue.
Thanks in advance
have HP iPaq 2795 running Windows Mobile 5 and when I put the handheld
device in its cradle, the program doesn't execute. If possible can you help
me or direct to a support team who may know of this issue.
Thanks in advance
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Intel Inside
You have no idea Raven Mad.
Raven Mill said:
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Intel Inside
Chad,
you stated "There is no NDA on the Technical Beta "material"".
Quite obviously you have no idea and have beome a sycophanting embellisher!.
Here's parts of the Connect agreement from
http://connect.microsoft.com/terms.aspx :
USE OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS WEB SITE
Information available via this web site (such as white papers, data sheets,
FAQs, announcements, bug information and WEB FORUM POSTINGS) are the
confidential and proprietary information of Microsoft Corporation. [...]
Without limiting the rights under copyright, no part of the information may
be reproduced, stored in or introduced into a retrieval system, or
transmitted in any form or by any means (electronic, mechanical,
photocopying, recording, or otherwise), or for any purpose, without the
express written permission of Microsoft Corporation.
you stated "There is no NDA on the Technical Beta "material"".
Quite obviously you have no idea and have beome a sycophanting embellisher!.
Here's parts of the Connect agreement from
http://connect.microsoft.com/terms.aspx :
USE OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THIS WEB SITE
Information available via this web site (such as white papers, data sheets,
FAQs, announcements, bug information and WEB FORUM POSTINGS) are the
confidential and proprietary information of Microsoft Corporation. [...]
Without limiting the rights under copyright, no part of the information may
be reproduced, stored in or introduced into a retrieval system, or
transmitted in any form or by any means (electronic, mechanical,
photocopying, recording, or otherwise), or for any purpose, without the
express written permission of Microsoft Corporation.
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Chad Harris
I made my statements butressed by these facts--and I have plenty idea and I
have since the thing started.
1) None of us were given an NDA on the TBT. Whatever the MVPs and TAP have
in their own programs with their own unique brand of access is separate from
the TBT although they are always included all TBT access--and more.
2) Paul Donnelly who administers the TBT made an explicit statement about No
NDA on the Vista Beta and the context very early on in the TBT.
3) From time to time I have seen statements of what they consider off limits
and it includes direct pasting from their material on Connect and their
messages to TBTs on groups, although much of what they say can be discussed
correctly.
4) I have witnessed that MSFT employees who are on various Beta teams do not
pay any attention to what the Vista Beta admin has said about
discussing--they discuss whatever and whenver the hell they want on their
blogs.
5) Many of the widely read ezine authors also continue to post this content
and continue to get invited to Redmond for some inside baseball tete a tetes
aka helping sell the product and promote it and I assume they are fed and
well treated not beat up by a gang of softies once on campus.
CH
have since the thing started.
1) None of us were given an NDA on the TBT. Whatever the MVPs and TAP have
in their own programs with their own unique brand of access is separate from
the TBT although they are always included all TBT access--and more.
2) Paul Donnelly who administers the TBT made an explicit statement about No
NDA on the Vista Beta and the context very early on in the TBT.
3) From time to time I have seen statements of what they consider off limits
and it includes direct pasting from their material on Connect and their
messages to TBTs on groups, although much of what they say can be discussed
correctly.
4) I have witnessed that MSFT employees who are on various Beta teams do not
pay any attention to what the Vista Beta admin has said about
discussing--they discuss whatever and whenver the hell they want on their
blogs.
5) Many of the widely read ezine authors also continue to post this content
and continue to get invited to Redmond for some inside baseball tete a tetes
aka helping sell the product and promote it and I assume they are fed and
well treated not beat up by a gang of softies once on campus.
CH
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Intel Inside
"I have plenty idea and I have since the thing started"
Do you speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language?.
Do you speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language?.
Chad Harris said:
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Little Brother
Welcomeback to 32-bit land.
Colin Barnhorst said:
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Little Brother
Microsoft made pre-RC1 publically available for download.