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Colin Barnhorst
Well the TechBeta interim build is 5536. It is on the TechBeta servers now.
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Colin Barnhorst
I forgot to add that it is only the x86 version so far. There may not be
any need to release the x64 version this time, depending on what the Vista
team wants us to evaluate. Or maybe it will be along later.
any need to release the x64 version this time, depending on what the Vista
team wants us to evaluate. Or maybe it will be along later.
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Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 \(5384\), OPP2007B2
Colin:
Thank you for teasing me, glad to hear about the new release. It
means that a new CPP build may be released soon.
Thank you for teasing me, glad to hear about the new release. It
means that a new CPP build may be released soon.
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Colin Barnhorst
Until I see either release notes (they are bundled in the download) or get
the email notification that the download is available I don't know any more.
The email will probably spell out what MS wants from TB this time.
The next CPP drop will be RC1 and I bet it is not far off. The absence of
an x64 build is unusual. It may mean that we will only be asked to provide
feedback on quality. If so, it is a true RC1 preview and RC1 might turn out
to be 5536 if the feedback confirms what MS believes about Vista's current
condition. I have seen talk along those lines. Vista may be for all
intents and purposes a done deal now.
the email notification that the download is available I don't know any more.
The email will probably spell out what MS wants from TB this time.
The next CPP drop will be RC1 and I bet it is not far off. The absence of
an x64 build is unusual. It may mean that we will only be asked to provide
feedback on quality. If so, it is a true RC1 preview and RC1 might turn out
to be 5536 if the feedback confirms what MS believes about Vista's current
condition. I have seen talk along those lines. Vista may be for all
intents and purposes a done deal now.
J
Jeff
Colin,
Again; thanks for keepin us informed.
Will be really interesting to see this build;or rc1.
Might have some magicians over there in Redmond; that really did pull a
rabbit out of a hat!!!!!
We'll all see; soon enough.
Jeff
Again; thanks for keepin us informed.
Will be really interesting to see this build;or rc1.
Might have some magicians over there in Redmond; that really did pull a
rabbit out of a hat!!!!!
We'll all see; soon enough.
Jeff
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Colin Barnhorst
The servers must be getting hammered, based on my slow download speed. It
will be tomorrow morning before I can install. I am also going to be
offline most of tomorrow since the computer I use for posting to the ng's
happens to be the one I am replacing with my new Core 2 Duo system. The
FedEx tracker shows it is due for delivery tommorow also. Busy day ahead.
will be tomorrow morning before I can install. I am also going to be
offline most of tomorrow since the computer I use for posting to the ng's
happens to be the one I am replacing with my new Core 2 Duo system. The
FedEx tracker shows it is due for delivery tommorow also. Busy day ahead.
J
Jeff
New playtoy--NICE
No fair that you have to remind us that you are getting 5536; :-(
Jeff
No fair that you have to remind us that you are getting 5536; :-(
Jeff
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Colin Barnhorst
"Pre-RC1 build 5536.16385" to be precise. This is the RC1 preview release.
The announcement is up on TechBeta with specific instructions. The deadline
for completing the instructions is shockingly close. Less than a week.
That might mean RC1 release will be during the week following Labor Day.
The speculation about 9/7 may be right on.
The announcement is up on TechBeta with specific instructions. The deadline
for completing the instructions is shockingly close. Less than a week.
That might mean RC1 release will be during the week following Labor Day.
The speculation about 9/7 may be right on.
R
Raven Mill
Colin Barnhorst said:
I get my Core2duo 6700 tomorrow. Wanna have a race to see who has theirs up
and running with 5536? ;P
Which board are ya using for your core2? I'm getting an MSI with 975
onnit...
J
Jeff
You both are getting annoying
:-(
:-(
Raven Mill said:
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Chad Harris
Yawn City. Cutting features like crazy, MSFT hurdles headlong with
developers kicking and screaming toward RTM of "Vista WannaBe--the October
RTM.
It will indeed be fun to take 5536 apart feature by feature because it has
been held out by MSFT as the magic wand that would whisk away the absolute
fact this thing needs 6 more months.
Features seem to be dropping like flies as the Redmond campus rushes towards
RTM like the guys on Prison Break on the train.
http://www.fox.com/prisonbreak/
Microsoft cuts full HD playback in 32bit Vista
http://www.apcstart.com/site/dwarne...other-feature-full-hd-playback-in-32bit-vista
During the era of XP the phrase value add was tossed around. Welcome to the
erra of Value Subtract.
What do this mean with any clarity Nick?
Nick White [MSFT] offering lessons in the English language. What's the
meaning of "Is" and who is holding the blue dress Nick?
From Nick White [MSFT] on the Vista "launch team" on his blog:
https://209.34.241.68/windowsvista/default.aspx
"Clarifying Windows Vista Support of Protected HD Content in 32-bit Systems
The community is buzzing with reactions to APC Magazine's article regarding
playback of protected High Definition content in 32-bit versions of Windows
Vista. However, the information shared was incorrect and the reactions
pervading the community are thus (understandably) ill-informed.
The real deal is that no version of Windows Vista will make a determination
as to whether any given piece of content should play back or not. The
individual ISV providing the playback solutions will choose whether the
playback environment, including environments that use 32-bit processors,
meet the performance requirements for playback of protected High Definition
content.
So what does that mean?
It is up to a particular ISV to determine which environments are suitable
for their playback solutions. Not Windows Vista, and not Microsoft. To
help ISVs make the playback determination, the OS will expose a list of any
unsigned drivers on the system; nevertheless, it remains up to the ISV to
determine whether playback will be enabled.
In other words, nothing has changed with respect to Microsoft's policies or
development plans for protected HD playback -- which we addressed at WinHEC
this past May -- and nothing has been cut from Windows Vista in this
regard."
"Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:13 PM by danwarne
Just to clarify, what Microsoft is saying here is that their Senior Program
Manager Steve Riley said the wrong thing during his presentation at Tech.Ed
Sydney. APC reported his comments accurately based on a transcript of the
event.
However, regardless, Microsoft is making a very specific semantic point
here: Riley did say yesterday that the restrictions were made at the behest
of content owners, so Microsoft is really just restating here that content
owners have the ability to veto their content from being played on 32bit
systems.
I've asked Microsoft for a list of the high-definition DRM systems that WILL
play on Vista 32bit and which ones won't, so some further clarity can be
bought to the story. "
_________________________________________
# re: Clarifying Windows Vista Support of Protected HD Content in 32-bit
Systems
Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:16 PM by someone
Apart from VC-1, will Vista play/decode the following out of the box without
third party decoders:
1. MPEG-4 Simple profile/Advanced profile
2. H.264 which is mandatory for HD DVD and Blu-ray
3. Dolby Digital (AC-3) 5.1 (DVD)
4. DTS 5.1 (DVD)
5. Dolby Digital Plus, DTS HD? (HD DVD/Blu-ray)
On Windows Vista, DRM, and new monitors
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vista.ars
Thoughts on MCE Beta Feedback by Matt Goyer
http://mediacenter.mattgoyer.com/archives/2006/07/26/1157
CH
developers kicking and screaming toward RTM of "Vista WannaBe--the October
RTM.
It will indeed be fun to take 5536 apart feature by feature because it has
been held out by MSFT as the magic wand that would whisk away the absolute
fact this thing needs 6 more months.
Features seem to be dropping like flies as the Redmond campus rushes towards
RTM like the guys on Prison Break on the train.
http://www.fox.com/prisonbreak/
Microsoft cuts full HD playback in 32bit Vista
http://www.apcstart.com/site/dwarne...other-feature-full-hd-playback-in-32bit-vista
During the era of XP the phrase value add was tossed around. Welcome to the
erra of Value Subtract.
What do this mean with any clarity Nick?
Nick White [MSFT] offering lessons in the English language. What's the
meaning of "Is" and who is holding the blue dress Nick?
From Nick White [MSFT] on the Vista "launch team" on his blog:
https://209.34.241.68/windowsvista/default.aspx
"Clarifying Windows Vista Support of Protected HD Content in 32-bit Systems
The community is buzzing with reactions to APC Magazine's article regarding
playback of protected High Definition content in 32-bit versions of Windows
Vista. However, the information shared was incorrect and the reactions
pervading the community are thus (understandably) ill-informed.
The real deal is that no version of Windows Vista will make a determination
as to whether any given piece of content should play back or not. The
individual ISV providing the playback solutions will choose whether the
playback environment, including environments that use 32-bit processors,
meet the performance requirements for playback of protected High Definition
content.
So what does that mean?
It is up to a particular ISV to determine which environments are suitable
for their playback solutions. Not Windows Vista, and not Microsoft. To
help ISVs make the playback determination, the OS will expose a list of any
unsigned drivers on the system; nevertheless, it remains up to the ISV to
determine whether playback will be enabled.
In other words, nothing has changed with respect to Microsoft's policies or
development plans for protected HD playback -- which we addressed at WinHEC
this past May -- and nothing has been cut from Windows Vista in this
regard."
"Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:13 PM by danwarne
Just to clarify, what Microsoft is saying here is that their Senior Program
Manager Steve Riley said the wrong thing during his presentation at Tech.Ed
Sydney. APC reported his comments accurately based on a transcript of the
event.
However, regardless, Microsoft is making a very specific semantic point
here: Riley did say yesterday that the restrictions were made at the behest
of content owners, so Microsoft is really just restating here that content
owners have the ability to veto their content from being played on 32bit
systems.
I've asked Microsoft for a list of the high-definition DRM systems that WILL
play on Vista 32bit and which ones won't, so some further clarity can be
bought to the story. "
_________________________________________
# re: Clarifying Windows Vista Support of Protected HD Content in 32-bit
Systems
Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:16 PM by someone
Apart from VC-1, will Vista play/decode the following out of the box without
third party decoders:
1. MPEG-4 Simple profile/Advanced profile
2. H.264 which is mandatory for HD DVD and Blu-ray
3. Dolby Digital (AC-3) 5.1 (DVD)
4. DTS 5.1 (DVD)
5. Dolby Digital Plus, DTS HD? (HD DVD/Blu-ray)
On Windows Vista, DRM, and new monitors
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vista.ars
Thoughts on MCE Beta Feedback by Matt Goyer
http://mediacenter.mattgoyer.com/archives/2006/07/26/1157
CH
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Colin Barnhorst
No. I don't plan to put Vista on it until rtm. It's my primary home
computer. The AMD64 x2 machine is the main test box. You win!
computer. The AMD64 x2 machine is the main test box. You win!
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Colin Barnhorst
Just because I ordered a Core 2 Duo machine with 4GB of PC6400 ram, 1TB of
internal storage, and a GeForce 7900GT card? Just FYI, OOBE, FWIW, RTFM.
internal storage, and a GeForce 7900GT card? Just FYI, OOBE, FWIW, RTFM.
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Colin Barnhorst
Sour grapes, Chad?
I haven't heard of any feature cuts in a long while.
I haven't heard of any feature cuts in a long while.
Chad Harris said:
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Guest
And the next drop would then be "Pre-Almost-RC1 build 5632.xxxxx". And the
one after that? "Pre-Real-Soon-Now-RC1 build 5789.xxxxx". Boy, I gotta getta
life! Just FYA. ;-D
one after that? "Pre-Real-Soon-Now-RC1 build 5789.xxxxx". Boy, I gotta getta
life! Just FYA. ;-D
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Chad Harris
Nope not at all sour grapes. Why would they be sour. Staight up criticism
is far from sour grapes.
I'm not the lone ranger--lots of MVPs give me company and book authors like
Ed Bott calling it horrendous.
I plan to go after every aspect of it I can. I will have plenty of
company. You are more than free to refute the features and components I
point out as just ducky.
They haven't got time to make it decent and I can't see why someone as
meticulous as you who enjoys hardware and software as much as you do isn't
cringing. They are cutting features like crazy and rushing this thing to
RTM like the guys on "Prison Break" scattering from town to town.
The only difference is that two of the guys on Prison Break are innocent
good guys. No innocence in the manipulation from Redmond.
Look at the semantic Mickey Mouse they're spewing over Protected HD Content
in 32-bit Systems. I've provided you the links and quotes to do that.
BTW how do you lay out a time table lol that the CPP for RC1 is gonna be in
a few weeks when they're slapping it together to RTM latter October. The
sales campaing that is the CPP mandates they get it out to the public much
faster. However, given that doing that could impact sales very negatively,
maybe they will hide it for a while from the public. They hid their bug
reports. They hid their Live Meetings and chats or tried to. The chats can
be found and I've linked them often here, but they hide all the live chats
and Live meetings that would provide Vista learning curve education from the
public.
No decent articles are posted on MSDN or Technet on a gamut of Vista
features by the community liason PMs responsible for writing them.
CH
is far from sour grapes.
I'm not the lone ranger--lots of MVPs give me company and book authors like
Ed Bott calling it horrendous.
I plan to go after every aspect of it I can. I will have plenty of
company. You are more than free to refute the features and components I
point out as just ducky.
They haven't got time to make it decent and I can't see why someone as
meticulous as you who enjoys hardware and software as much as you do isn't
cringing. They are cutting features like crazy and rushing this thing to
RTM like the guys on "Prison Break" scattering from town to town.
The only difference is that two of the guys on Prison Break are innocent
good guys. No innocence in the manipulation from Redmond.
Look at the semantic Mickey Mouse they're spewing over Protected HD Content
in 32-bit Systems. I've provided you the links and quotes to do that.
BTW how do you lay out a time table lol that the CPP for RC1 is gonna be in
a few weeks when they're slapping it together to RTM latter October. The
sales campaing that is the CPP mandates they get it out to the public much
faster. However, given that doing that could impact sales very negatively,
maybe they will hide it for a while from the public. They hid their bug
reports. They hid their Live Meetings and chats or tried to. The chats can
be found and I've linked them often here, but they hide all the live chats
and Live meetings that would provide Vista learning curve education from the
public.
No decent articles are posted on MSDN or Technet on a gamut of Vista
features by the community liason PMs responsible for writing them.
CH
Colin Barnhorst said:
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Chad Harris
BTW Colin I don't see dramatic progress in 5472 having thorougly covered it
and drilled it anbd if you do please enlighen me. Let's both go after 5456
and compare and contrast progress since 5472. Ready when you are.
CH
and drilled it anbd if you do please enlighen me. Let's both go after 5456
and compare and contrast progress since 5472. Ready when you are.
CH
Colin Barnhorst said:
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Chad Harris
Correction 5536. As if the number of the build actually means significant
progress.
CH
progress.
CH
Colin Barnhorst said:
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Jane C
ROFL! IAEJ, BTW 
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Intel Inside
This is a public newsgroup hosted by MS. You should restrict Technical Beta
material to the closed newsgroup that TechBeta are privy to.
material to the closed newsgroup that TechBeta are privy to.