Is Vista going away?

[the wharf rat]

Maybe you just never saw enough?

I saw enough to comprise a statistically valid sample.

 

[Larry Davis]

I was going to ask Mike Hall to explain his comment that "Vista had many advantages over XP". Other than claimed improvements in security, after nearly five months with Vista I can't think of any advantages at all. You write sensibly that you don't see any compelling reason to put up with all the new problems. But you must be using Vista or you'd have no interest in this forum. I wonder what keeps you with Vista?

I really want to go back to the relatively problem free experience I had with XP but I've invested quite a bit in all the software that came with Vista on a brand new XPS 420 from Dell. Most of it that I've tried doesn't run well on Vista although I thought it was written with Vista in mind. So my question is what are the chances that programs that came with a new computer with Vista preinstalled will run on XP? I'm thinking of Adobe Photoshop Element 6.0, Creative Wave Studio 7, Creative Vienna Soundfont Studio, Adobe Soundbooth CS3, Roxio Creator Premier, and Cyberlink Power DVD DX.

Any thought on this?

larrydonline

 

[xfile]

But you must be using Vista or you'd have no interest in this forum. I

wonder what keeps you with >Vista?

I don't use Vista for everyday work but still keep one testing machine for
simulation and testing purpose. Approximately three months after the
release, we have decided to keep ordering systems with XP pre-installed.

One of the main purposes for me to visit Vista-related newsgroups is that it
affects our international supply chain operations from our supplier and
customer end. So I would collect some information about how to prevent
and/or resolve certain problems and am also doing some reality checks.

One major Adobe suite that we upgraded in the past year is Adobe Designer
Premium CS3 and I am not aware of any problem with XP. We also purchased MS
Expression Suite (V.1) and don't have OS-related problems with XP.

For Adobe products, you could download and install trial versions and see if
there any problems before committing the purchase. Roxio Creator DE (Dell
OEM version) also has no problem. But I am not sure about Roxio Creator
Premier and Cyberlink Power DVD DX.

Hope this helps and good luck.



I was going to ask Mike Hall to explain his comment that "Vista had many
advantages over XP". Other than claimed improvements in security, after
nearly five months with Vista I can't think of any advantages at all. You
write sensibly that you don't see any compelling reason to put up with all
the new problems. But you must be using Vista or you'd have no interest in
this forum. I wonder what keeps you with Vista?

I really want to go back to the relatively problem free experience I had
with XP but I've invested quite a bit in all the software that came with
Vista on a brand new XPS 420 from Dell. Most of it that I've tried doesn't
run well on Vista although I thought it was written with Vista in mind. So
my question is what are the chances that programs that came with a new
computer with Vista preinstalled will run on XP? I'm thinking of Adobe
Photoshop Element 6.0, Creative Wave Studio 7, Creative Vienna Soundfont
Studio, Adobe Soundbooth CS3, Roxio Creator Premier, and Cyberlink Power DVD
DX.

Any thought on this?

larrydonline

 

[Denny]

When will we get a version of Windows nthat is a real gamer's OS? Why can't

they put in a game function that shuts down all the background crap and
services when playing games?

Good idea, but I imagine it's because 99% of people who want games just
use an X-Box or Playstation 3. Rightly or wrongly.

 

[Greg]

Look back into history, remember moving from command lines to GUI and
mice-based interface? A breakthrough for mass end-user adoption, but
technologically speaking, nothing under the hood was dramatically changed.
Moving to long file name is another simple but meaningful feature for
which end user without any technical knowledge can immediately realize its
benefits. ...

All of these kind of innovations and more were originally copied back in the
90s from other, better operating systems like Commodore Amiga, Atari, and
Apple Macintosh that were far better integrated with their hardware. MS
copied the WYSIWYG and mouse based interfaces and functions without
radically redesigning the basic hardware platform. Instead, similar results
to those machines were achieved by bigger and bigger and more unwieldy code,
that ended up sitting on top of machines like an unstable upside down
pyramid, ready to fall over at any moment. Whereas the Amiga for example was
like driving a BMW, Windows 95 was a bit like putting a tank body on a VW
chassis and engine. MS by corporate ingenuity in marketing outcompeted all
those other platforms even though they had an inferior product. Later
incarnations of Windows have been able to rely on better hardware, but they
still seem to work on the same principle of just making program code bigger
but not necessarily more efficient and forcing hardware manufacturers to
play catchup by building bigger and faster processors and storage. It's a
monopoly and acts like one, what else would you expect?

However, having had Vista for a year or so, I find it neither wholly
superior nor wholly inferior to XP. It's just been exchanging one set of
problems for another. In terms of basic crashes, there is no contest -
Vista, even in its usual MS crappy unfinished form is vastly better than XP
was when it first came out. I think it is even probably more stable then XP
plus the two service packs. It does a much better job of catching crashes
before they happen and recovering data after they happen. My Vista machine
crashes far less than XP did and usually with lesser consequences. On the
other hand, many Windows Explorer features and Vista versions of MS programs
(especially Publisher) have been greatly UNIMPROVED by the deletion of
useful functions, the addition of useless ones, changing logical ways of
doing things into less intuitive forms, changing a one step process into a
three step one, or being frustratingly non-backward compatible. Vista is
also COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BRAIN DEAD when it comes to networking LANs and
less than useless at communicating with some USB devices and driving
anything but the latest printers and other peripherals (especially over a
network).

So it's a choice between two pretty ordinary MS products IMO and no wonder
many choose "the devil the you know..." and stick to XP, including many
corporations, education departments and tertiary institutions.

 

[Vote out Brendan Nelson]

I would add too that the next version of Windows is even less likely to
be compatible with older software, and driver production by hardware
manufacturers will likely be far behind as usual.

They should get Hardware and software develoipers on board during the
development stage of any new OS.

 

[Rick Rogers]

They do, during both alpha and beta phases, but many companies opt to wait
until the final code before making changes to their own. This creates a lag
time between when the OS is available until the vendors catch up. As to
hardware vendors, their is generally no profit in writing new drivers for
hardware that's already sold, so it becomes a low priority item. In fact, if
they don't provide new ones, users are frequently forced to purchase newer
hardware.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

 

[jasonkirk20062006]

i dont think windows vista will go away theyll just improve what they did
with windows 7 to regular versions of windows vista

 

[Bill M. Yanaire]

"(e-mail address removed)"

i dont think windows vista will go away theyll just improve what they did
with windows 7 to regular versions of windows vista

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Ghostintheshell]

I was speaking with a friend who heard Microsoft was working day and
night developing an operating system to replace Vista because of all
the compatibility problems with many programs and I/O drivers. Is
there any truth to this, or is it just a rumor by some disgruntled
Vista user? I was planning on getting Vista on my next PC, which I
will need in the near future. Charles Ranheim

I would wisely consider it as something heard from unofficial speculation
and nothing more than that. Most likely what will happen is that Vista,
like all of its predecessors, will become obsolete and fade into history.

IOW I wouldn't place your bets on rumors if I were you.

 

[Ringmaster]

I would wisely consider it as something heard from unofficial speculation
and nothing more than that. Most likely what will happen is that Vista,
like all of its predecessors, will become obsolete and fade into history.

IOW I wouldn't place your bets on rumors if I were you.

Microsoft's mind set is like your typical politician. NEVER admit you
made a mistake, always point your finger at the other guy.

The entire software industry is based on build-in obsolescence. The
idea is you as the end user will be willing want to cough up more
money to get a new and "improved" version every year or so. So sure,
someday Vista will get replaced by a newer version of Windows.
Microsoft will NEVER admit Vista was a disaster because of all it's
problems and do the right thing like recall it or give you a refund or
discount on the next version. They should, but they won't.

 

[Frank]

Microsoft's mind set is like your typical politician. NEVER admit you
made a mistake, always point your finger at the other guy.

WoW! That is a perfect description of you!

The entire software industry is based on build-in obsolescence. The
idea is you as the end user will be willing want to cough up more
money to get a new and "improved" version every year or so. So sure,
someday Vista will get replaced by a newer version of Windows.
Microsoft will NEVER admit Vista was a disaster because of all it's
problems and do the right thing like recall it or give you a refund or
discount on the next version. They should, but they won't.

MS will never award stupidity and incompetence, as in your case.

 

[Ringmaster]

MS will never award stupidity and incompetence...

It already does ===> Steve Ballmer.

A 1st class jackass if there ever was one:

Contrast to Steve Jobs from Apple:

 

[Frank]

It already does ===> Steve Ballmer.

A 1st class jackass if there ever was one:

Contrast to Steve Jobs from Apple:

It must really fry up your stupid, ignorant, incompetent ass knowing
just how very successful Steve Ballmer is...especially when compared to
a failed back room loser accountant like you are!...LOL!

 

[Paul Montgomery]

i dont think windows vista will go away theyll just improve what they did
with windows 7 to regular versions of windows vista

If that garbled mess means that you think improvements written into
Windows 7 will be added to Vista, that's just plain stupid.

 

[dick slinger]

hi how are you i hand built my computer using asus and amd hardware and an
ati sapphire graohics card to be a gamiing machine and the only mistake i mad
was out of no other choice and that was this shitty os they call vista where
the divers conflict with dx10 and some other stuff and what the hell is
longhorn and i am a father of four not a damn teenage hacker or hobbyist i
am notthe computer nerd that would be my brother me i like to gas and go not
learn peripherals

 

[Snidley W.]

hi how are you i hand built my computer using asus and amd hardware and an
ati sapphire graohics card to be a gamiing machine and the only mistake i mad
was out of no other choice and that was this shitty os they call vista where
the divers conflict with dx10 and some other stuff and what the hell is
longhorn and i am a father of four not a damn teenage hacker or hobbyist i
am notthe computer nerd that would be my brother me i like to gas and go not
learn peripherals

Nah... no adult would 1) write that poorly or 2) sound so damned
foolish. You're not fooling anyone: you're a teenager.