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XS11E
You're probably right, I'll very likely end my Linux experiment soon.
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Post Replies Here Please
Hellmark> Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of
Hellmark> Azrial plunged through his body were:
Hellmark> the entire idea is that you're not supposed to let the
Hellmark> quoted text become unrulely. If you have a short response,
Hellmark> quote only the valid part, as I just did.
Works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. I wish one rule could handle
all situations. For extremely long posts that are not reduced in size
bottom posting is a pain, especially when using the search engine at
google for groups.
Whatever to each his/her own!
Good luck,
Alan
Hellmark> Azrial plunged through his body were:
Hellmark> the entire idea is that you're not supposed to let the
Hellmark> quoted text become unrulely. If you have a short response,
Hellmark> quote only the valid part, as I just did.
Works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. I wish one rule could handle
all situations. For extremely long posts that are not reduced in size
bottom posting is a pain, especially when using the search engine at
google for groups.
Whatever to each his/her own!
Good luck,
Alan
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Hellmark
Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged
through his body were:
Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
through his body were:
Works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. I wish one rule could handle
all situations. For extremely long posts that are not reduced in size
bottom posting is a pain, especially when using the search engine at
google for groups.
Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
G
General Schvantzkoph
You're probably right, I'll very likely end my Linux experiment soon.
It wasn't my intention to discourage you from using Linux I was only
pointing out that for the typical non-techno savvy user there wasn't a
compelling reason to switch. However for someone who is willing to put in
some work and isn't afraid of technology it offers a much more rewarding
experience than Windows. It's infinitely flexible in a way that Windows
can never be so you can adapt it to your workstyle. The major
distributions come with thousands of applications so you have the chance
to try out all sorts of things. It's constantly improving at a rate that
far exceeds anything that you are like to see from the Microsoft. And you
are free to do with it what you want, putting it on as many machines as
you want, putting multiple distributions on the same machine so you can
try them all out. To sum up, Linux's strengths are also it's weaknesses.
For the hacker personality type who wants to have complete control over
his computing environment and who wants the latest and greatest
everything, Linux is a dream. For the non-technical user who gets easily
confused, Linux would be a nightmare.
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GW De Lacey
That's a debated issue. Personally I prefer top posts when they don't have
to answer a specific sentence of paragraph.
It's only debated by the pig ignorant.
The reasons for not top posting and for trimming the post to which you
are responding are well documented and distributed all over the net.
If you choose to ignore what is a very sensible convention, then so be
it. As for me, my patience doesn't extend to lamers who think
consideration for others is uncool. I simply plonk them and get on
with life.
G
GW De Lacey
Ed Light's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
were:
I inline/bottom post. That way, if someone doesnt get the previous posts
(which happens on usenet), they can still have an idea of whats going on,
plus I can coment on each individual part I want to. I dont have to lump
all my things together
Good boy...
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Post Replies Here Please
Hellmark> Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of
Hellmark> Azrial plunged through his body were:
Hellmark> Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
Good to hear that! Makes good sense! Now if that would only happen
;-)).
Later
Hellmark> Azrial plunged through his body were:
Hellmark> Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
Good to hear that! Makes good sense! Now if that would only happen
;-)).
Later
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Post Replies Here Please
General> It wasn't my intention to discourage you from using Linux I
General> was only pointing out that for the typical non-techno savvy
General> user there wasn't a compelling reason to switch. However for
General> someone who is willing to put in some work and isn't afraid
General> of technology it offers a much more rewarding experience
General> than Windows. It's infinitely flexible in a way that Windows
General> can never be so you can adapt it to your workstyle. The
General> major distributions come with thousands of applications so
General> you have the chance to try out all sorts of things. It's
General> constantly improving at a rate that far exceeds anything
General> that you are like to see from the Microsoft. And you are
General> free to do with it what you want, putting it on as many
General> machines as you want, putting multiple distributions on the
General> same machine so you can try them all out. To sum up, Linux's
General> strengths are also it's weaknesses. For the hacker
General> personality type who wants to have complete control over his
General> computing environment and who wants the latest and greatest
General> everything, Linux is a dream. For the non-technical user who
General> gets easily confused, Linux would be a nightmare.
My two cents here. For the non-technical user who get easily confused,
any OS could be a nightmare!
Whatever
General> was only pointing out that for the typical non-techno savvy
General> user there wasn't a compelling reason to switch. However for
General> someone who is willing to put in some work and isn't afraid
General> of technology it offers a much more rewarding experience
General> than Windows. It's infinitely flexible in a way that Windows
General> can never be so you can adapt it to your workstyle. The
General> major distributions come with thousands of applications so
General> you have the chance to try out all sorts of things. It's
General> constantly improving at a rate that far exceeds anything
General> that you are like to see from the Microsoft. And you are
General> free to do with it what you want, putting it on as many
General> machines as you want, putting multiple distributions on the
General> same machine so you can try them all out. To sum up, Linux's
General> strengths are also it's weaknesses. For the hacker
General> personality type who wants to have complete control over his
General> computing environment and who wants the latest and greatest
General> everything, Linux is a dream. For the non-technical user who
General> gets easily confused, Linux would be a nightmare.
My two cents here. For the non-technical user who get easily confused,
any OS could be a nightmare!
Whatever
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Post Replies Here Please
GW> Good boy...
GW> -- GW
GW> A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
I disagree the most annoying thing on Usenet is still spam posts, and
cross posting. These are my top two. It still amazes me how many
folks cross post! I have to admit for some reason the spam at least
from my usenet server is decreasing.
Whatever - another endless debate. Remember that is my opinion so
don't brother to correct it ;-)).
Thanks!
GW> -- GW
GW> A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
I disagree the most annoying thing on Usenet is still spam posts, and
cross posting. These are my top two. It still amazes me how many
folks cross post! I have to admit for some reason the spam at least
from my usenet server is decreasing.
Whatever - another endless debate. Remember that is my opinion so
don't brother to correct it ;-)).
Thanks!
G
General Schvantzkoph
My two cents here. For the non-technical user who get easily confused,
any OS could be a nightmare!
Whatever
I haven't used a Mac recently so I don't know if it's still true but the
original Mac was genuinely easy for anyone to use. The Mac philosphy is
the polar opposite of Linux, i.e Linux offers a tremendous variety of
choices at every level from the kernel up, the Mac offered a single
"right way" of doing everything. The downside of Linux is that
everything requires some fiddling to get to work, the downside
of the pre-OSX Mac was that there was no easy way to add
functionality if it was missing, things are either easy or impossible with
no middle ground. Everything on the Mac was truely plug and play in a way
that Windows has never achieved. If you installed a program or plugged in
a card it just worked. The user interface followed strict guidelines so
everything was absolutely consistant so that once you learned how to do
anything you could pretty much do anything.
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Hellmark
Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged
through his body were:
Thats why we have to beat the wrong doers into submission!
through his body were:
Hellmark> Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of
Hellmark> Azrial plunged through his body were:
Hellmark> Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
Good to hear that! Makes good sense! Now if that would only happen
;-)).
Thats why we have to beat the wrong doers into submission!
X
XS11E
It wasn't my intention to discourage you from using Linux
You didn't. I've kept the quadruple boot setup (Mandrake is one of 4
OSs I have) and boot into Linux from time to time to learn more about
it but I've not really had time to learn as much about it as I need to.
I was only pointing out that for the typical non-techno savvy user
there wasn't a compelling reason to switch. However for someone who
is willing to put in some work and isn't afraid of technology it
offers a much more rewarding experience than Windows.
That I disagree with, if something does what I need done, I'm
adequately rewarded. I don't look for rewards from using a computer,
it's something I need so I have one.
I've been at it since 1961, I'm probably fairly comfortable with
computers but I've never considered them as anything other than a tool
to do a specific job.
B
Ben Pope
Hellmark said:Post Replies Here Please's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged
through his body were:
Well, thats why most people who bottom post trim.
The whole point about this debate is not who top posts and who bottom posts,
and who trims and who doesn't (and which is best)
It's about presentation. If you post, you intend to be heard. If you
intend to be heard you should make the effort to present your argument well,
or not bother.
Trimming and bottom posting (or posting inline) is the best way to present
the information in almost all cases. If you are going to post at the top,
then the information below is detached from the reply and pretty much
useless (so you might as well trim it all). It's the idiots who put their
one-line reply (which is often pointless or hard to see) right before 30+
lines of included text (without so much as even hitting return after it to
separate it from the rest) that annoy me.
People who top post rarely trim anything ever, and you just end up with a
whole mess of characters in the message that are meaningless as they have no
context. It's not the top-posting per se that's the problem, it's laziness
of presentation, and there is a high correlation between the two. That's
not to say that people who bottom post are all exquisite posters either,
that would be far from the truth. But trimming (to make the included text
relevant) and replying to the relevant parts in relevant places is at least
a start to getting your point across well.
Ben
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Ed Light
It's there for those who are unsure what the previous post was.Ben Pope said:If you are going to post at the top,
then the information below is detached from the reply and pretty much
useless
If they don't get it, they can look below. If they do, they don't have to
bother going through it again to get to the reply.
I do think the stuff below deserves a trimming.
--
Ed Light
Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\
Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.
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Ben Pope
Ed said:It's there for those who are unsure what the previous post was.
It's there 'cos the poster can't be arsed to trim properly (or at all), in
most cases.
If they don't get it, they can look below. If they do, they don't have to
bother going through it again to get to the reply.
I do think the stuff below deserves a trimming.
Indeed.
Ben
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GW De Lacey
The whole point about this debate is not who top posts and who bottom posts,
and who trims and who doesn't (and which is best)
It's about presentation.
[...]
Exactly! If everyone takes a just a small amount of care, a newsgroup
becomes a pleasure rather than a chore.
I fear though that concepts such as presentation and consideration for
others are a bit beyond the grasp some.
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Nelson M. G. Santiago
In <[email protected]>, on 07/23/04
Sorry if this might (in)flame some but: isn't this a hardware NG?
Nelson
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Exactly! If everyone takes a just a small amount of care, a newsgroup
becomes a pleasure rather than a chore.
I fear though that concepts such as presentation and consideration for
others are a bit beyond the grasp some.
Sorry if this might (in)flame some but: isn't this a hardware NG?
Nelson
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Hellmark
Nelson M. G. Santiago's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged
through his body were:
Can't have on topic talk 100% of the time, it eventually erodes the
community away because there is only so much one can say about any given
subject.
through his body were:
Sorry if this might (in)flame some but: isn't this a hardware NG?
Can't have on topic talk 100% of the time, it eventually erodes the
community away because there is only so much one can say about any given
subject.
N
Nelson M. G. Santiago
on 07/23/04 said:Can't have on topic talk 100% of the time, it eventually erodes the
community away because there is only so much one can say about any given
subject.
I do agree. But (and there's always a but) just some short statistics:
I got 62 posts from July 20th on (inclusive) before I wrote. From these,
18 were on topic, and 46 were about top/bottom posting, even with a small
start of a flame war. Though this subject started interesting and followed
in with a discussion about OSes, we were swaying away off topic, and
would, maybe, be discussing the sex of angels in a short time. I could
have killed the topic, but I don't like to do so. Just my 2 cents.
Nelson
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