Is Oo Really Just as Good as Microsoft Office?

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A question for those who have used both:

Tell the truth.

If you could use only one,

and Bill Gates gave you a free copy of the latest Microsoft Office,

which would you use:

Open Office or Microsoft Office?


We can put an end to Word attachments - Richard Stallman
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-11-002-20-OP

Writing history with Microsoft's Office lock-in: "If our documents are our
corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's."
[2003-04-26]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/30410.html

Human knowledge held digitally may be lost, UNESCO warns [2002-06-17]
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=3902&Cr=unesco&Cr1=

MS-Word is Not a document exchange format [2002-01-12]
http://www.goldmark.org/netrants/no-word/attach.html

"what is the point of storing data in XML if the schema [WordML] is so
hideous and proprietary than no one can use it without proprietary API
support? "
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/04/23/deviant.html

Regards
Gordon
 
I have both, and I use OOo. My needs are probably average.

Me too.
That said, the latest release of OOo is horrendous, and I refuse
to use it. It's a "snapshot" release, and will no doubt improve. I
hope!

If you mean the preview of OOo 2.0, I gotta nitpick calling it a
"release". The latest stable OOo release, 1.1.3, works fine. Snapshot
builds are put out for testing, not for general use.
 
(e-mail address removed) (Art Metz) wrote in
MS Office, hands down. I tried using OO to open a 110-page Word
document (different fonts and colors, some lists, no tables or
images). I noticed that the last item in a bulletted list on the
last page was not indented. I hit <TAB> to indent it. Program
froze on me.

I tried useing OO to open a simple Excel spreadsheet : different
fonts and colors, no graphs or formulas. It looked and printed
completely different.

At that point I uninstalled it.

You should try the same experiment, but versa vice, opening OOo
writer and calc documents with MSO. You won't get as far as the
point where you try to fix the bulleted list with <tab>, so you can
move more quickly to uninstall MSO. ;)
 
If you could use only one,

and Bill Gates gave you a free copy of the latest Microsoft Office,

which would you use:

Open Office or Microsoft Office?

MS Office. Mainly because of Excel that has features like 'Solver'.
AFAIK, OpenOffice doesn't has this yet.

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We can put an end to Word attachments - Richard Stallman
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-11-002-20-OP


Nice article!

There is a third option, stick with a text format anyone can read,
edit, and write to.

The CS department is pretty anti-MS. We've used Open VMS and linux to
program in. They do offer a course in using Excel and Access. Some of
the instructors required reports to be done in Word and uploaded.
That's pretty bizarre.

I tried OO and 602. This was a couple years or so ago. There were tiny
formatting inconsistencies that cost me points when instructors opened
the attachments in Word.

So, being a painfully slow typist I purchased Word just so I could tap
away at my own pace at home, rather than spend hours in the lab to do
a report in Word. There was nothing in the report that really could
not be accomplished in .rtf.

I haven't had any assignments in Word and it sits idle these days.

I now do .txt and .rtf exclusively, as do others I exchange files
with.

If you read the above article you'll note that MS changes the secret
format of Word each release to keep people locked into buying
overpriced proprietary software. Those who try to figure out the
format and make it available to the masses are constantly playing
catchup. While I'm very impressed in the efforts expended by OO and
602, I'm not impressed with the final product. It is the actual .doc
design I dislike.

The software market is really driven by business though. As long as
corporations continue to buy into this never ending scheme that will
keep them buying into it, the proprietary .doc format will hinder us.

The people who use Word at these corporations will tend to lean
towards what they know for personal usage. It's a pretty vicious
cycle, one that was certainly engineered.

I don't think there is much of a chance of affecting the Fortune 500
companies of the world or even the various governments. But any
entity, no matter how small or how large, can use OO or 602 for
internal usage without problems. Problems arise when someone receives
a document and opens it in Word. The inconsistencies I witnessed were
very small, but unprofessional not in how they were written, but in
how Word displayed them.

So, if Bill gave me a brand new copy of his latest proprietary code:

1) I'd still use .txt and .rtf.
2) I'd use OO or 602, out of principle.
3) I'd not install Word, unless I absolutely had no choice.

Stallman fostered the movement for the free flow of information and
code for the enrichment of everyone. Gates fostered his move to enrich
himself with wealth and power.

It's a shame that a commercial product must be purchased when there
are two programs that almost replicate the commercial product and
function fine when Word is not involved in the exchange of information
within the .doc files. I should not have been forced to buy Word and
certainly no small business should. The larger entities are on their
own.
 
I remember that such deals were available way back before Office 2003.
So it's nothing new.
When I tried Open Office a year or so ago, I found it to be a somewhat
bloated affair; much slower than O2K, for example. Also OO lacks
scripting facilities, which is something that the people in my office
use a lot in their spreadsheets. OO also lacks an equivalent of MS
Access, too.
When I was looking for a less processor-intensive word processor a few
months ago, I tried out Abiword. Unfortunately, it crashed frequently,
taking recent edits away with it. Needless to say, I did not recommend
it as a replacement for Word.

Try Atlantis Nova. Very nice!

I also have had problems with AbiWord.

http://www.rssol.com/en/html/download/nova.htm (760k)
 
Gordon Darling scribebat:
We can put an end to Word attachments - Richard Stallman
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-11-002-20-OP

The article is also available from:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
together with translations in several languages - might be helpful for
those who need to address this topic to acquaintances in their respective
native language.

They also offer some other articles about free software at:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
 
In version 2.0 (and with filters for earlier versions) the OOo file format
will follow the open document standard OASIS.
Here's an interesting article with statements from SUN, Microsoft and IBM:

I'm really surprised to see MS in there! Good gnus is good gnus
though... even if in crude .pdf format I guess.

http://europa.eu.int/ida/servlets/Doc?id=18036

Better:

http://www.microsoft.com/Office/xml/default.mspx

The schemas for Word 2003 are available for download, ~ 5 megs with
"install?"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...52-3547-420A-A412-00A2662442D9&displaylang=en
 
I'm really surprised to see MS in there! Good gnus is good gnus
though...

Heh, MS has been a part of w3c for years, yet little good gnus has come
of that. Still, some commitment is better than none.
 
A question for those who have used both:
Tell the truth.

If you could use only one,

and Bill Gates gave you a free copy of the latest Microsoft Office,

which would you use:

Open Office or Microsoft Office?

As a university person, Microsoft Office * is * free for us - with the
department's copy for educational use. Even if I go to buy it, it's only
something like $30 after all discounts.

So I think I'm in an excellent position to answer your question :)
Especially when you consider how extensively I use office applications.

Although I used to regularly use MS Office, I haven't even had an
installation of Microsoft Office on my system for over a year. This is
despite completing a thesis, editing legal documents for interchange with
law firms, exchanging business documents, and writing academic papers for
publishing as well as presentations to be given off of the computer. On top
of that I also extensively use spreadsheets for business operations.

I have NOT needed MS Office to do any of these things. OpenOffice.org is
adequate - it has all the essential features, including the essential style
list tools for real publishing, document comparison capabilities and
import/export abilities, a capable spreadsheet, and a presentation program
that does its job while interoperating with PowerPoint.

But it's not just that OpenOffice.org is "adequate" for the job. When I
consider everything, I think OpenOffice.org is superior in several
important respects. As a software developer, I recognize these important
aspects and hope that others can understand the rationale here too:

- OpenOffice.org runs on multiple platforms. Currently: Windows, Linux,
Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS X. This is important because I do use several
operating systems, including heavy Linux use. It is a huge advantage for me
to be able to work on the same documents with the same interface whether I
have booted Linux, Windows, or whether I am at the university where Solaris
installations are everywhere.

- OpenOffice.org is stable, and runs smoothly. It has not crashed on me
under Windows or Linux, and does not do wacky things. MS Word has scared me
in the past with some of its flaky behaviour.

- I trust the OpenOffice.org software and its developers. It's open source,
and the Internet community is heavily involved with improving Sun's
original software. Remember when millions of MS Office installations seized
up (think it was a couple years ago) because of license expiry/update
issues? You don't get that kind of hassle with open source software.

- Data longevity: this is an important one, and often overlooked because
it's about the future. Microsoft has made it clear that it wants
proprietary document formats. That works, as long as Microsoft is around
and developing software to read your old files. Personally, I'm more
comfortable with my OpenOffice.org documents in XML format because I know
that in the worst case scenario, I can unzip the document structure and
easily extract text from the XML components. This is technical, but what it
comes down to is: my data is easily accessible in the future.

- Data interchange: this builds on the previous point. MS uses proprietary
document formats and is unwilling to make data flow smoothly between
different software from independent vendors. It's just not in their best
interest. OpenOffice.org uses data formats designed to be easily
interchanged, and other projects are cooperating with the vision of open
document interchange - e.g. Abiword.

Now, given the rapid worldwide growth in popularity of open source
software, including OpenOffice.org, do you really think you're better off
locking your documents into an inflexible, non-exchangeable format (MS Word
version X). I would argue that for anyone who values document longevity and
interchange, it's in their best interest to use software with open data
formats.

After all: software companies die, but information lasts forever.
 
But: there _are_ reasons to have MS Office installed too, and that's
because it's so incredibly omnipresent. You can make a radical
choice to do everything with OOo, but (at least in my case) people
*will* send you MS Office documents from time to time that OOo fails
to load correctly.

See my other post, my entire work is interchanging documents with others
and I still have no problems sticking to OpenOffice.org. Even making use of
Writer's "Export to PDF" feature is incredibly useful for transmitting
documents that will be readable by everyone.

The argument that you need to use MS Office because everyone else is,
definitely is dying. It's not like I'm only associating with other OO
users.
 
I would argue that for anyone who values document longevity and
interchange, it's in their best interest to use software with open
data formats.

Now here is a person who knows something.
 
If you mean the preview of OOo 2.0, I gotta nitpick calling it a
"release". The latest stable OOo release, 1.1.3, works fine. Snapshot
builds are put out for testing, not for general use.

I got ambushed. :)

I got the download from my usual place, and that's the first time I ever got
a crummy build. From now on, I'll watch closer.

-- Bob
 
Mike said:
A question for those who have used both:

Tell the truth.

If you could use only one,

and Bill Gates gave you a free copy of the latest Microsoft Office,

which would you use:

Open Office or Microsoft Office?

The way I run: Installed MSAccess and Outlook off of my Ms Office CD.
Installed OpenOffice for the rest.

The guy with the 200 page doc that wouldn't open in OOo? He's lucky it
opens in Word.

John Hood
Web Site www.jhoodsoft.org
"The best home and business free software, no ads, no time limits, no
fluff."
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Mark Carter schreef:
When I tried Open Office a year or so ago, I found it to be a somewhat
bloated affair; much slower than O2K, for example.

OOo 2 should start & work faster (the release is scheduled for somewhere
in 2005).
Also OO lacks scripting facilities, which is something that the people
in my office use a lot in their spreadsheets.

For many things OOo has better scripting support than MSO, but it's not
compatible with Microsoft's VBA.
OO also lacks an equivalent of MS Access, too.

OOo 2 will have OOo Base.
When I was looking for a less processor-intensive word processor a few
months ago, I tried out Abiword. Unfortunately, it crashed frequently,
taking recent edits away with it. Needless to say, I did not recommend
it as a replacement for Word.

Yeah, the Windows version of Abiword wasn't very stable last time I tried.
 
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