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And I would agree, when posted 10/26/09, simple recovery methods
SHOULD have been the *first* suggestions, taking the disk out of
usage, and other. INSTEAD those answering went off on the thought of
CRACKING/HACKING the actual files, to the point of a ridiculous
discussion of Super Computers.
I entered the discussion on 11/4/09 [around 8-9 days later], seeing
NO ONE had even suggested anything remotely like would have been
applied under these or other circumstances and situations,
attempted file recovery; and where NO ONE had submitted anything
regarding methods or tools, Microsoft or otherwise. The apparent
though was impossible to recover, where in ANY other file deletion
or related disk issue the IMMEDIATE response would or should have
been as indicated, attempted recovery.
When I suggest that there were other methods and provided links to
materials including Microsoft Articles and tools, they were received
with disdain BY supposed MVPs. Excuse me, these are tools and
information related to the activity. They DO provide the "best
practices" and tools for particular situations regarding EFS, don't
they. When I addressed other potentials such as
beginningtoseethelight, which shows indicators to the information
sought should hex recovery or modification be needed, I received
some of the most ignorant junk possible, AGAIN from MVPs. This is
SUPPOSEDLY a group with experts. With indicators available, there
was another potential recovery method, if necessary.
We aren't discussing cracking/hacking encrypted files, it was the
potential DATA recovery that might have been useful to the OP. It
was also the tools available, and potential methods for others who
might find this discussion.
Now, why don't YOU might explain why YOU didn't step in IMMEDIATELY
with suggested recovery methods, and WHY none of the other MVPs did.
That would be real interesting I'm sure.
While you're at it, explain why they STILL don't get it.
You can sit smugly at your computer in here all day long and say it
*might* have been impossible to recovery, it as good an excuse as
any now; but IT DANG SURE IS NOW because NONE of you even tried.
NONE of you suggested anything of value.
Easy there, MEB.
Why do you think I (or anyone here) owe you (someone I don't know)
information about me (someone you don't know) and where I was or why I
do/don't/didn't/did do something?
Same question to you - why didn't you step in immediately on day one with
your suggestions?
Likely the same answer for both. Volunteer, not paid to do this, have a
life, doing something else, can't be everywhere at once and nunya...
You can think people are being smug all you want - they are not - they are
being where they can/want to be when they can when they want to be. They
answer how they want, with what they want.
There is no *you* here - this is a PEER-to-PEER newsgroup - you are the same
as anyone else here. You are a PEER.
Said it before, looks like I have to say it again. I volunteer my
experience and knowledge - volunteer above and beyond my normal life and
career. I get to say what I want when I want to say it. If Microsoft
disappeared tomorrow - it would mean very little in terms of what I do.
Initials mean little - it's what you make of it. I did it long before I
received any initials for doing it and would likely still do it without the
initials (although I am considering not doing it anymore because people seem
to *expect* things they shouldn't.)
Your comments were late just as some others were and did very little to help
the situation when you decided that instead of ignoring those who decided to
buck what you were saying - you'd feed on them and them on you and make this
entire conversation into garbage that was of no use to the OP and wasn't
even a logical discussion, but a "No, YOU!" shouting match.
One problem is you never know what the reaction will be from people. I have
been involved in postings where it seemed like the person had tried nothing,
but was just honestly asking for assistance. I listed all the simple things
to try and some more advanced things to try in excruciating detail - in
hopes that something might help them. What was the reaction? They bit my
head off for treating them like a child, for not assuming they had done all
the simple stuff, going as far as calling me names.
It's a volunteer based newsgroup (forum) - if you don't like what someone
says or don't want to get involved - you don't have to. If you want to stop
at any point being involved, do so. And sure - you can call people names,
troll, chide people into responding, dance around the topic, be the holy
zealot in the right/wrong side, be the jester or be the true fool - all that
is a free for all as well. What you do here *is* your choice. When you do
things here *is* your choice.
Don't expect - however - anything. It's not your 'right', especially not
here. You voluntarily answer and are no different than anyone else here -
no matter what value you want to put into what initials you see.
I knew someone once that started putting initials at the end of their name
many years back. People, strangely - started treating them with more
respect, etc. The letters added were "RNG" <- they meant 'Really Nice Guy',
but no one ever asked - they just assumed some importance came with them. I
would suggest never being that unwise.
But - I will return to the subject at hand - as it should always end up
doing...
The truth is - given what the OP did - I fully believe they would have been
unsuccessful in their attempts - no matter what was suggested within minutes
of their original posting.
They didn't make backups (if they did, they did not mention any), they
didn't understand EFS (or they wouldn't have just 'moved' the EFS folders
somewhere else thinking they could unencrypt them later without following
the well documented best practices of backing up the private key or making a
DRA) and they had attempted to fix it themselves with research (they
mentioned methods I don't believe they knew beforehand - since if they knew
of the methods, they would be unlikely to have risked their data on the
off-chance those methods would work for them.)
All of this could easily been deduced from the original posting and I
perfectly well understand why the reaction was what it was for the most
part. Logical progression from the given information. All that could be
done otherwise is ask for more information - and many times that just gets
"Just answer the question" responses and "Why do you need to know all that"
responses and the likes.
