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REMbranded
Noted on both accords. I prefer a group, but that's just me. I've
never really used email in a list type situation. I'm very comfortable
with news readers.
Noted on both accords. I prefer a group, but that's just me. I've
never really used email in a list type situation. I'm very comfortable
with news readers.
R
REMbranded
Boards in my limited experience have a lack of interest factor. The
same few people post for awhile and go away after nothing much
materializes. I've tried several, but I myself tend not to go back
after awhile.
A second possible advantage is the groups seem to be more easily
availed than finding a private board is. There is no logon or such
either. Anyone with a news reader can check it out very easily.
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Mike
Back when I first discovered newsgroups in the mid-80s, I was told that the
alt.* category was expressly for unmoderated groups while the other groups
rec.*, comp.*, etc were to be moderated. I think having an unmoderated forum
available is always desirable, but would follow alt.comp.freeware even if it
became moderated! The programs I've found here are *priceless* .
alt.* category was expressly for unmoderated groups while the other groups
rec.*, comp.*, etc were to be moderated. I think having an unmoderated forum
available is always desirable, but would follow alt.comp.freeware even if it
became moderated! The programs I've found here are *priceless* .
D
donutbandit
I can already tell you what they will say in alt.config:
Use your killfile to filter abusive posters, don't feed trolls, and stay on
topic to reduce infighting. Adding another group only adds another spam
catcher. Nobody forces you to read posts you don't like by posters you
don't like, do they?
If this had been practiced here from the beginning, there would be no
problem, would there?
Use your killfile to filter abusive posters, don't feed trolls, and stay on
topic to reduce infighting. Adding another group only adds another spam
catcher. Nobody forces you to read posts you don't like by posters you
don't like, do they?
If this had been practiced here from the beginning, there would be no
problem, would there?
R
REMbranded
From experience?
Probably not. The inclusion of a moderated alt* group seems
straightforward though.
M
Max Quordlepleen
I prefer groups too, which is why I like the gmane approach. I am not
subscribed to the OOo mailing lists, I access them through Xnews, just
like any other newsgroup.
J
John Fitzsimons
No worse than your hero worship of anything MS..
< snip >
Almost as much bandwidth as you never ending rants about "MS bashers".
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Alan
»Q« said:
Absolute rubbish, and you know it. And I know that you know that I know
it.
You *do* know full well that I don't laud over MS in the way thatcertain others obsessively try to cut down the tall poppy. The posts
that I *do* get hung up on are the ones that deliver misleading,
hyped-up or incorrect information; be it through ignorance or be it from
one of the usual suspects trying to further their agenda *in an
unmoderated group*. And I agree that my tone of reply *will* be in
accordance with the calibre of the post. I will endeavour to correct the
incorrect information I see, but "Let's all burn down M$" begets the
kind of "sarcastic invective-spewing mode" you mention.
Well if that's what you supposed, that's what you could have said I
suppose.
But I don't think the browser holy wars issue would be ashard to trap by any moderator, as would be the "Yipee! Another security
issue to sex up" posts. The former usually appear in a pretty
predictable form, like the "Make big $$$ on the internet" spam headers -
relatively easy to spot and nuke. The latter need investigation as to
their validity before they can be ajudged legitimate or garbage.
If OTOH you only meant that
MS-bashers are a problem, you are kidding yourself.
Unless you have some moderation strategy in mind to filter them off,
then I can't see how they wouldn't be a problem in the newly proposed
group, just as they have plagued this group on more than one occassion.
How does a moderator manage to scoop off the reactionary/ opportunistic
replies, like the one I'm answering? ;-)
?
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=
Absolute rubbish, and you know it. And I know that you know that I
know it.
Nope. I don't see the point in discussing it further with you. So I
know that you know that I know it's end-of-subthread for me.
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Alan
»Q« said:Nope. I don't see the point in discussing it further with you. So I
know that you know that I know it's end-of-subthread for me.
Self-moderation. I like it - seems to work well.
D
donutbandit
From reading the group regularly.
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Aaron
I disagree. Web-based forums are a bad idea.
I can't see the regulars in this group agreeing to move to a web=based
forum.
You can set up a forum to allow posting without logins.
I can't see the regulars in this group agreeing to move to a web=based
forum.
You can set up a forum to allow posting without logins.
R
REMbranded
I'll check this out. I'm not familar with it.
A
Alan
John said:
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I think this is about the fifth or sixth time I've asked you to supply
any reference to any post I've made, which would serve to back up your
allegations of "worship". Or if that's too hard, any thread at all I've
started off by actually recommending using a MS product (worshipping not
even required). Each time you have conveniently snipped the request from
your reply. Let's see if you can manage to do it again, or whether you
can actually put your money where your mouth is.
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"Almost" clearly indicating "less than", and judging from your distorted
view of the facts, as demonstrated in your "hero worship" fantasy above,
I could safely conclude "very much less than".
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Bob Adkins
I just don't see many problems with "ACF Free".
If there were constant spam and nagging about Shareware and commercial ware,
I could see the need for an "ACF Moderated" to squelch the noise. What
little noise I see here is very easy to tune out.
Sure, the mention of commercial ware and Shareware appear in this forum, but
mostly for the inevitable comparison purposes. IMO, saying (for example)
"IrfanView is the freeware equivalent of ACDSee" is not only ON topic, but
serves a valuable purpose to our subscribers. Yelling "off topic!" to the
above serves no useful purpose, but is niggling and just plain mean
spirited.
Bob
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BillR
Aaron said:
"I probably just missed it, but I have yet to see a cogent argument on
why a board is bad -- just a lot of heat." Yet another example --
albeit a valid opinion. Why bad?Sometimes, sometimes not. FatWallet, AnandTech, TechBargains, and
many others demonstrate that it is possible. Critical mass can be
hard to achieve. We have an unusual opportunity here. Especially if
it is integrated with ACF itself.
Some of them are quite vocally opposed, but I have missed most of the
good reasons so far.
And if you use a newsreader, you probably use a browser. The reverse
is rather less true.
All that said, acf moderated is easier to start.
BillR
R
REMbranded
There are other mean spirited attacks as well. I ignore them myself,
but I can see that it bothers the recipients.
The interest thus far doesn't seem to be here, so we might make the
best of what we do have here.
O
Onno Tasler
1) I cannot fetch news from a web board and read them offline - that
makes it more expensive to read web boards.
2) I cannot killfile people on a message board
3) I have to go to a message board and search for news, they do not come
to me and show themselves.
4) A web board is less comfortable than a newsreader
5) A web board generates more traffic than a newsgroup
bye,
Onno
J
jason
Just adding to the list...
Web boards are usually slower with all the graphics. Sure, I suppose there
are SOME bare-bones message boards, but I have yet to see any!
Web boards are usually less efficient to navigate. You have to view ALL
posts in a thread. You can't pick and choose individual posts the way you
can with a newsreader.
Besides the inability to kill-file, you can't do other filtering as well.
The search function on web boards usually sucks.
B
Bob Adkins
Well, the options can be kept open. If the need arises because some yokels
try to take over the group, a moderated group may yet be the answer.
Bob