Intel versus other-company motherboard

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Overclocking in its day was allot more like 'professional' hot rodding.
HOWEVER today a bios switch and following a given set of instructions is for
amateurs and hobbyists. Big difference in building an engine from scratch
and dropping a ready to go full block.
 
Depends on your need. If you are in an Engineering environment,
most apps, like Solidworks and AutoCAD, are written to the Intel
standard, and will run without problems on those mobos .. even
the P4/64s are "in standard". Example: on the AMD64 mobos,
if you require a software security dongle ( and yes they still use
them .. a lot ), you will need to install a 64 bit dongle driver. And
this is after several days talking to tech supporters with heavy
accents, until you find one who knows what is going on.
However, if you are building a PC for gaming and multimedia,
the better buy is something like a Gigabyte mobo for the AMD64
Athlon 4000+ with nVidia chipset, and a world of integrated
hardware for sound, USB, weird cards, firewire .... For a much
lower price, you get a faster and more adaptable system. But
there, you need to know what you are doing !!!! Try comparing
one of the Gamer boxes ( google them ) with something like
the Dell 9100 upgraded to 2 gigs ram and GF 6800 256 video
card .. a very nice P4 / 64 system. That should give you a feel
for price vs performance differences. And that Dell 9100 is a
good game box too.

johns
 
kony said:
No I understood what you meant but dismissed it so quickly
it wasn't even worth discussing.

The word used was "amateur", and rightly so in the context
used. You arbitrarily concluded the opposite of the general
term "amateur" was "professional system seller".

There certainly exists the possibility of a professional overclocker. I
never excluded this. I just haven't heard of it. I still maintain in your
post you were using the term amateur as a derogatory term meaning "don't
know what you are talking about" Here are some quotes to jog your memory.

"Spoken like an amature."

"The amature is the one who can't keep a system stable
overclocked, or doesn't know how to determine what the
ceiling of stability is."
In other words, whatever you're thinking, is it's own topic
only loosely related to the topic which you replied to.



Another arbitrary conclusion. There are professionally
built hot-rods. You seem to have some misconception about
what "professional" is. It does not necessarily mean "being
conservative", but at least if one plans to make an honest
living at it, it still means accurate representation of
product, and towards that end, a professional reseller
(again, only _your_ context) would sell an overclocked
system if the buyer specifically demanded one, with this
clearly evident. Would it carry support and warranty? That
would be up to the seller. Would YOU, personally, choose to
do it? Entirely your choice, it's probably not a good idea
in general but many things "professionals" do aren't either.

Again you misinterpret things to support your view. Nowhere did I say
anything about a professional being conservative. Of course there are
professionally built hotrods just as there may be professionally built
overclocked computers. I observed that I have not seen a professionally
built overclocked computer that wasn't some kind of fraud or scam but that
doesn't preclude the possibility. There are very few professional
"hotrodders" just as there are very few if any professional "overclockers".
Again none of this has anything to do with one's knowledge about
overclocking, hotrodding or anything else. Some amateurs are much more
knowledgeable in their chosen hobby than most of the professionals in that
field. Some professionals regularly consult amateur experts.
In short, your declaration of attributes are arbitrary and
pointless in the context of overclocking. They might be
more valid in the context of counterfeiting or fraud.


Sure, same goes with trimming shrubs.

Or anything else. what is your point?

We are arguing pointlessly about semantics. We both agree it is possible to
overclock some systems successfully. We seem to disagree on whether it is a
good thing for the average user or not. I took exception to you equating
amateur with no expertise. I'll leave the last word to you.

Kerry
 
Overclocking in its day was allot more like 'professional' hot rodding.
HOWEVER today a bios switch and following a given set of instructions is for
amateurs and hobbyists. Big difference in building an engine from scratch
and dropping a ready to go full block.


Maybe, I recall swapping crystals on old gear but today
there's still plenty of hands-on stuff like lapping 'fets,
alternative cooling, reverse engineering clockgens or
controller chips, bios feature enabling and so forth. While
there are easy ways to go, if anything there's a larger
knowledge base, skill set and opportunites than ever.
 
There certainly exists the possibility of a professional overclocker. I
never excluded this. I just haven't heard of it. I still maintain in your
post you were using the term amateur as a derogatory term meaning "don't
know what you are talking about" Here are some quotes to jog your memory.

"Spoken like an amature."

"The amature is the one who can't keep a system stable
overclocked, or doesn't know how to determine what the
ceiling of stability is."


Hmm. Originally you suggested the dictionary, so at this
point I recommend you seek one. Amateur is not necessarily,
only the exact opposite of professional, it also has a
common meaning of lacking the skill of one. That's not even
a loose interpretation as so common with most words in the
english language but even in the strict sense the context
was appropriate but you jumped the gun thinking you knew
better.

Again you misinterpret things to support your view. Nowhere did I say
anything about a professional being conservative.

You certainly did imply it with the idea that they'd not
overclock. You're now backpeddling.
Of course there are
professionally built hotrods just as there may be professionally built
overclocked computers. I observed that I have not seen a professionally
built overclocked computer that wasn't some kind of fraud or scam but that
doesn't preclude the possibility.

First let's be clear. There was no point in ever using the
term "professional" and you are creating your own house of
cards from that point forward. Any further shades of grey
about what professionals do is simply enduring your
illusions.
There are very few professional
"hotrodders" just as there are very few if any professional "overclockers".

You have taken a survey or are you just making things up as
you go along?

Again none of this has anything to do with one's knowledge about
overclocking, hotrodding or anything else.

Then why did you write the word professional in the first
place?

It seems you are the only one suggesting otherwise.
Some amateurs are much more
knowledgeable in their chosen hobby than most of the professionals in that
field. Some professionals regularly consult amateur experts.

I do hope you are eventually going to skip over this bit
about stating the obvious and irrelevant,
soon?
Or anything else. what is your point?

That what you had written was just general information of no
particular use and not something worth mentioning.

We are arguing pointlessly about semantics. We both agree it is possible to
overclock some systems successfully. We seem to disagree on whether it is a
good thing for the average user or not.

Actually we're arguing about your notion that something
someone else wrote didn't agree with a pre-conceived notion
you had that included more variables than those mentioned.
Someone writes the word "amateur" and you go off half-cocked
about professional system builders or sellers. Adding in
further information in order to make a counterpoint against
a prior point that did not cover all of this extraneous
information is not applicable.
I took exception to you equating
amateur with no expertise. I'll leave the last word to you.


I'd describe it as a more basic "failure to understand there
are multiple definitions of amateur".
 
So it's more reasonable to say that the issue isn't
overclocking at all, it's doing something one doesn't know
how to do, a bit like anything else in life.

No, in general it's a crap shoot - some parts, with the exact same part
number MAY over-clock, some may not. One day video card X may over clock
and the same card purchased three months later may not. And lets not get
into the OEM/Retail differences for margin on OC'ing...

In general, OC'ing is best left to people that have time to test and
rebuild their systems and that have some level of technical skill at
troubleshooting. For your average home user, OC'ing is a waste of time
and resources.

The Issue is Over Clocking.
 
No, in general it's a crap shoot - some parts, with the exact same part
number MAY over-clock, some may not. One day video card X may over clock
and the same card purchased three months later may not. And lets not get
into the OEM/Retail differences for margin on OC'ing...

If you mean overclock to same ceiling speed, I'll agree with
that. If you're trying to decribe an any/none scenario, I'd
disagree, any parts released have some margin in them,
generally more than 10% but almost never under 5%. Usually
more.

In general, OC'ing is best left to people that have time to test and
rebuild their systems and that have some level of technical skill at
troubleshooting. For your average home user, OC'ing is a waste of time
and resources.

Possibly, but then most of what people do in their spare
time could be described as such.
 
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