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Frank
Grt news! I see it's safe to consume!zakezuke said:
Frank
Frank
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measekite
Taliesyn said:
da high school kid is da one to goto class
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measekite
Taliesyn said:
what a bright statement. if you do discard you should take them out to
the trash. most kids to not go there. you probably did and that is why
you use the crap ink.
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zakezuke
measekite said snipped per request
Why do you feel the need to harass taliesyn? Also why are you throwing
away ink cartridges when there are perfectly acceptable recycle
programs? Even if you prefer burning cartridges to reusing them...
that is typicaly the default option at your local office store.
Why do you feel the need to harass taliesyn? Also why are you throwing
away ink cartridges when there are perfectly acceptable recycle
programs? Even if you prefer burning cartridges to reusing them...
that is typicaly the default option at your local office store.
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TJ
Frank said:
The last refill kits I bought have sharp needles. I was surprised, too.
Some years ago I tried to buy a replacement needle for a veterinary
syringe for the treatment of cattle. The supply house wouldn't send the
needle without a veterinarian's prescription, citing New York State law.
TJ
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measekite
TJ said:
that is a good law probably designed to help reduce false claims on
printer warranties due to clogging from generic ink.
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TJ
measekite said:
I doubt it, since the incident I was referring to occurred in the late
1970's, long before inkjet printers became available to the general
public. I rather think it was designed to fight illegal drug use.
TJ
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Frank
TJ said:
What a real dumb ass this moron is. He is a psycho. Dain bramiaged! No hope.
Frank
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TJ
Frank said:
Who? Me or measekite?
TJ
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Frank
Two guesses and tj isn't one of them.TJ said:
Frank
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measekite
TJ said:
mirror mirror on da wall
who da fairest one of all
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mcheu
George said:
I'm not sure how you managed that leap. I neither said, nor implied
that.
I was *SURPRISED* that they chose to assemble a kit in this manner
because most kits are built around blunted plastic tipped injectors
(not always a syringe design). Given how quick people are to sue
(that's what the "lawyer happy" comment was about), most companies tend
to take a CYA approach to products. I wasn't surprised that you can
get the darned things. I was surprised they put them in a kit like
that, rather than opting for something a little more idiot proof.
I'd be equally surprised if a North American company produced toys made
of sharp edged, stamped sheet metal (like some vintage 1950s era toys,
or some contemporary toys made in China).
I disagree with your assessment. It's a low risk, but "no need to
worry" implies *NO* risk. There would be no risk if the person used
fresh sterile needles for each refill, but that's not really a
reasonable expectation, as there's 4 needles, 4 colours, and enough ink
in each bottle for about 3-5 refills. It might be reasonable for a
person to rinse out the syringes and needles for storage between
refills, but it's unlikely someone would go to the effort to sterilize
them and store them asceptically. The risk of contamination is low, I
never said otherwise. Even stepping on a rusty nail (the old classic)
isn't very likely to give you tetanus. It's mostly a preventative
measure, because the shots are quick and cheap, and covers you for a
decade or so. The treatment if you're diagnosed with it is rather
inconvenient (look it up and you'll see what I mean).
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George E. Cawthon
Apparently you lived in some Nazi state.TJ said:
Vaccinating and injecting subdural medicine is
common by pet owners in this and surrounding
state. Ranches with cow-calf operations or other
livestock do standard injections. A vet's
approval is not required for the medicine or the
needles or other equipment. Needles have always
been available to the public because certain
medicines are injected by the patient.
Pharmacists, will usually order whatever size
needle and syringe one wants if they are not in
stock.
I suggest that your state's sorry disposition is
the result of an ignorant legislature or a very
strong state veterinary association that swayed
the legislature past common sense.
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George E. Cawthon
mcheu said:
Nope you didn't say it but you implied there was
something wrong even possibly illegal with
providing standard syringes and needles. Even the
adjective "medical" in medical syringes and
comments about injecting into IV bags has meaning.
This is not a discussion about toys but about
equipment and tools for a serious use. Would
sharp knives, really sharp chisel, and various
pointed and edge cutting woodworking tools
surprise you? Of course not, so why do sharp
pointed syringes. Blunted ones work in some
situation but they would be a poor tool for
filling HP color cartridges.
As for the lawyer nonsense because the needles are
sharp, I suggest that you think in terms of
rifles, pistols, air guns, steak knives, sewing
machines. You might even consider those dangerous
hooks on fishing rods. Way more people, including
children have had sharp fish hooks stuck in them,
including in their eyes, noses, lip, ears, etc.
than will ever get stuck by a needle from a refill
kit. Do you think fish hook, fishing equipment,
and manufacturers of fishing kits worry about
being sued by lawyers for having sharp fishing
hooks? and what about the manufacturer of
equipment to sharpen those hooks? Silly? You
bet, but that doesn't mean some lawyer is to dumb
to know it.
As to the tetanus question, my assumption was that
you were talking about new, unused needles. The
manufacturing process completely eliminated any
possible contamination by tetanus. But if you are
talking about the needles you have previously used
for filling cartridges, even if you wash or
don't wash them, the answer is the same. The risk
is not "low" it is in the range of impossible. Of
course if you dig in your garden with them and
then don't wash them well before using them to
fill cartridges, the risk would be low.
As for the rusty nail, only a small proportion of
rusty nails have tetanus spores on them, most
rusty nails never in contact with contaminated soil.
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TJ
The dysfunctionality of the NY Legislature is well known, but in thisGeorge said:
case they must have come to their senses while I wasn't looking. Last
year, one year after I ordered the refill kit, I needed a replacement IV
setup (including needle) for my cattle operation. I was able to order it
without a prescription with no trouble from the same supply house that
rejected my request years ago. Apparently the old law had either expired
or was repealed.
Even under the old law needles were still available to the general
public for legitimate purposes. You just needed a prescription or some
other approved authorization for them.
There was no Nazism involved.
TJ
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George E. Cawthon
TJ said:
Actually, NY tends to be one of the more
restrictive and controlling states. There are
many legitimate uses of syringes and needles that
have nothing to do with poking a needle in a human
or an animal. And, it really isn't any of the
state's business what one uses such a device for
in a free country. Nor should it be up to the
state to determine a legitimate use, since you
know they will never list all of the "legitimate"
uses.
Glad to hear NY rescinded the old law. Attempting
to control the sale and use of syringes and
needles can't possibly be effective no matter what
the objective of the control is.
But of course none of this is relevant to the
"sharp needle" discussion which was totally
misleading since a sharp needle aid or is needed
when filling some sponge filled cartridges such as
HP color cartridges.
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Arthur Entlich
As I understand it, NY state has restrictions on syringes with needles
in an attempt to curb intravenous drug use. Of course, all it really
does is increase the risk of blood borne diseases being transmitted as
they are reused, another poorly thought out law.
Maybe they thought that by restricting legal available of syringes and
needles that they could control how many contaminated "works" end up in
people's gardens and on the streets, since they become valuable enough
to reused... Who knows what thoughts (if any) go through the ears of
politicians.
As to issuing sharp needles with ink refill kits, it's just a bad idea.
It does create higher risk for users or needle sticks, and since most
people have little experience with proper handling and storage of what
are a type of 'medical device' with inherent risks, it does increase
risk to children, pets, etc. who might end up "playing" with them. In
general, the need for a sharp needle for the ink refilling process is
not a great advantage and the risk probably outweighs the advantage
overall. Also, I suspect blunt needles cost more. Sharp needles are
made by the gazillion, as disposable needles for disposable syringes.
Making them truly blunt is a bit of a process and probably raises costs.
I have worked with sharp needle syringes for many years, and I still
occasionally get needle sticks. Same for my wife, who was trained as a
nurse. They are sharp and designed to fairly effortlessly penetrate
skin, after all.
Art
in an attempt to curb intravenous drug use. Of course, all it really
does is increase the risk of blood borne diseases being transmitted as
they are reused, another poorly thought out law.
Maybe they thought that by restricting legal available of syringes and
needles that they could control how many contaminated "works" end up in
people's gardens and on the streets, since they become valuable enough
to reused... Who knows what thoughts (if any) go through the ears of
politicians.
As to issuing sharp needles with ink refill kits, it's just a bad idea.
It does create higher risk for users or needle sticks, and since most
people have little experience with proper handling and storage of what
are a type of 'medical device' with inherent risks, it does increase
risk to children, pets, etc. who might end up "playing" with them. In
general, the need for a sharp needle for the ink refilling process is
not a great advantage and the risk probably outweighs the advantage
overall. Also, I suspect blunt needles cost more. Sharp needles are
made by the gazillion, as disposable needles for disposable syringes.
Making them truly blunt is a bit of a process and probably raises costs.
I have worked with sharp needle syringes for many years, and I still
occasionally get needle sticks. Same for my wife, who was trained as a
nurse. They are sharp and designed to fairly effortlessly penetrate
skin, after all.
Art
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William R. Walsh
Hi!
HP's color cartridge boxes (those that held ink for the DJ600/800 series of
times past) used to say that the ink was nitrate based and harmful to
ingest.
Not sure about anybody else, but I wonder how different ink formulations
between manufacturers really are.
William
HP's color cartridge boxes (those that held ink for the DJ600/800 series of
times past) used to say that the ink was nitrate based and harmful to
ingest.
Not sure about anybody else, but I wonder how different ink formulations
between manufacturers really are.
William