InformationWeek Reviews Vista vs. Mac OSX

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At first, I thought this was a multiple-choice test and I marked D.

Dale

Bill Marriott said:
a) I thought the review would be on-topic and of interest.

b) I'll still have to use Vista on some of my machines; maybe Microsoft
could get some more ideas to improve it?

c) I thought someone would be able to offer examples where Vista is better
thought-out or better designed than Mac OS X [they haven't]

d) I like making trouble ;^)

Richard G. Harper said:
Then why did you stop by here? ;-)

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Bill Marriott said:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

As someone who picked up a MacBook in November, I can wholeheartedly
agree with the conclusions in this article.
 
Obviously, you have not used Win95 recently :).

But anyway, if all you are doing is clicking on the start menu and then an
icon, I suppose there is no difference.


Dale said:
I originally ran Windows 95 in a 386 with 4MB of RAM and a 32 MB hard
drive. When I got the money, I upgraded to 8MB of RAM so I could at least
swap apps. Windows 95 was a great OS. I can't think of much that Vista
offers in terms of real OS functionality than what Windows 95 offered.

Dale

Richard Urban said:
<grin>

Nothing about Windows ME was good!

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Robert Firth said:
Was it the user interface of Windows ME that was bad, or the kernel?

Ah, I don't feel like arguing.

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Um, ok, if you say so. He's just saying he's not covering that in the
article, which is fine by me. I'm sure that's a worthy topic for
another day or even another author. In any event, he doesn't award that
aspect to either one, and it's not one of the "conclusions" I'm talking
about.

Nevertheless, the idea that the kernel ultimately determines success is
a geek fantasy. It's the whole ball of wax. Usability, technology,
industry support, marketing, consumer inertia, and so on.

(But if you want to talk about architecture, how about EFI over BIOS,
the journaling HFS file system, BSD underpinnings [known for its
stability and speed], leaner resource usage, and other advantages the
Mac seems to enjoy?)

In the long run this statement is not true:

[...] "Most people just don't care about things like who has the
superior kernel. People care far more about the parts they see and
work with, so that is what I'm going to deal with here."

[...] even if they don't care about it consciously in the long run it
will determine which OS will be more successful.

As someone who picked up a MacBook in November, I can wholeheartedly
agree with the conclusions in this article.
 
LOL... good one!

Lang

Kerry Brown said:
This is not true. I was actually looking at an Intel based Mac until I
worked one for a customer. They were trying to install a new Epson
all-in-one that said it worked with macs on the box. The salesman sold it
to them with the Mac. In the process of getting it to work I found out how
true the following statement is:

Everything is easy to do on a Mac because if you want to do something that
isn't easy to do it is impossible to do so it can't be done.
 
The he forget "E":

E - No-one uses OS X and therefore can compare it with Vista.

Bobby

Dale said:
At first, I thought this was a multiple-choice test and I marked D.

Dale

Bill Marriott said:
a) I thought the review would be on-topic and of interest.

b) I'll still have to use Vista on some of my machines; maybe Microsoft
could get some more ideas to improve it?

c) I thought someone would be able to offer examples where Vista is
better thought-out or better designed than Mac OS X [they haven't]

d) I like making trouble ;^)

Richard G. Harper said:
Then why did you stop by here? ;-)

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http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

As someone who picked up a MacBook in November, I can wholeheartedly
agree with the conclusions in this article.
 
Bill said:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670

As someone who picked up a MacBook in November, I can wholeheartedly agree
with the conclusions in this article.

Comparing Vista to OSX is almost pointless as OSX has such a small
percentage of the market that it still cannot be considered major
competition for Vista. Right now, Vista's biggest competition is XP. An
unbiased comparison to XP would be more beneficial. Comparisons against
other things such as OSX or any of the myriad different Linux distributions
is interesting in a long-term perspective, but not that interesting to 90%
of the computer owners today.
 
Comparing Vista to OSX is almost pointless as OSX has such a small
percentage of the market that it still cannot be considered major
competition for Vista.

On the face of it that seems correct. But (a) Vista is about 20% slower
than XP on the same hardware and (b) I am faced with a cost of around
£500- £1000 to upgrade my software to run on Vista.

I am an MSDN subscriber and have used Windows since version 3 but buying a
Mac looks a good option at the moment (there's some decent software
bundled with them). It's important that MS doesn't get complacent, if they
can't find me the 20% speed they've lost me pretty soon then a Mac could
make a good Easter present.

Oh, and I've just copied 2.6GB of files over my 1Gbps LAN from a NAS to
the Vista box. It took 8 minutes, that looks a tad slow to me as well.
 
Well, OS X has a wee bit more market share than Vista *at the moment* :) It
also surpassed Windows 2000 last December, making it the #2 operating system
behind XP. Granted, a very distant #2.

As I alluded to in other posts, a very interesting scenario is the consumer
who buys MacIntel hardware, like the MacBooks, that offer great
bang-for-buck and also run Windows (XP or Vista, natively or virtually).
That buyer will indeed be able to do "apples to apples" comparisons of how
the two operating systems perform on the same hardware, and they may well
end up liking Mac OS X more.

It's competition for Vista in the sense that people are going to presented
with an operating system migration over the next couple years, as they
replace aging hardware or want to run new software. Given the costs
associated with migrating from XP to Vista, it becomes reasonable to
question whether Vista is really the best choice, or whether going to Mac
(and running your old apps with full compatibility) is more rational.

My scanner, USB fax modem, digital camera, and printer all have drivers that
work on the Mac right now, no waiting. They do not have Vista drivers. Maybe
that will change, maybe it won't. Adobe will give me a "cost of shipping"
crossgrade from my current Windows CS2 to the Mac version; CS2 doesn't work
well on Vista currently. My anti-virus, defragmenter, image backup, and
registry maintenance utilities don't work on Vista. Those will require
upgrades or replacement. Music from iTunes works on both platforms, while
"PlaysForSure" has all but been abandoned. There are Mac versions or close
analogues to just about every other program I use on Windows.

It's just sooo nice using a Mac and the barriers to switching are getting
lower every day.

And even if you scoff at the market share disparity, Mac OS X offers
intellectual and creative competition for Microsoft. And that counts for
something, too.

But you offer excellent advice for Microsoft! Ignore comparisons between
Vista and OS X, until it's too late ;)

p.s.: Just remember this is from a guy who has used Windows *exclusively*
since about 1996, and just started using a Mac in November.
 
Bill said:
It's competition for Vista in the sense that people are going to presented
with an operating system migration over the next couple years, as they
replace aging hardware or want to run new software. Given the costs
associated with migrating from XP to Vista, it becomes reasonable to
question whether Vista is really the best choice, or whether going to Mac
(and running your old apps with full compatibility) is more rational.
Adobe will give me a "cost of shipping" crossgrade from my current Windows
CS2 to the Mac version


You're forgetting one extremely important part in the above. That is that
you can only by a PC running OSX from Apple. As the large OEM's start
including Vista on every PC they sell, the cost of upgrading from XP to
Vista will drop dramatically as those PC's will come with software, drivers,
utilities, etc that are supported by Vista.

And while Adobe may be offering an almost free swap to Mac versions of some
of their products, for any vendor not doing that it will be cheaper to
upgrade to a Vista ready version of their application than it will be to
switch to a Mac capable version of a similar product.
 
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