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To Seth

I know you don't *need* anyone actually confirming your point of view Seth.
but for the record, your points have seemed perfectly reasonable and your
original comment(s) to the OP seemed relavent.

To Mr Arnold:-

As far as I can all Seth did was imagine (for he could do little else ) a
couple of possabilities for what the OP might have meant and solve them is
some suitable ways.

I think *most* people (is that the magic phrase that gets me in trouble :P)
who would be asking about trying to get IIS running on XP home (especially
in newsgroups relating to dotnet and VB) would be trying to do so in order
to test their webapps.

The suggestion of Casinii or VS2005's Testserver seems quite appropriate
and unless I'm missing a lot of posts, I don't think Seth was harrassing
you in any way.

Either way... My thanks to both of you... I found this thread very amusing :)

Good times to all and hopefully the OP found some use in here.
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Thanks for the support Rory - I kept rereading my posts and couldn't
see how I was harassing Mr. Arnold. At least now I know I wasn't
missing something.

It seems he has gone from stubberness to outright trolling - and all I
asked for was a simple apology for him misquoting me.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
From: "rowe_newsgroups" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: IIS
Date: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:52 PM

To Seth

I know you don't *need* anyone actually confirming your point of view
Seth.
but for the record, your points have seemed perfectly reasonable and your
original comment(s) to the OP seemed relavent.

To Mr Arnold:-

As far as I can all Seth did was imagine (for he could do little else ) a
couple of possabilities for what the OP might have meant and solve them is
some suitable ways.

I think *most* people (is that the magic phrase that gets me in trouble
:P)
who would be asking about trying to get IIS running on XP home (especially
in newsgroups relating to dotnet and VB) would be trying to do so in order
to test their webapps.

The suggestion of Casinii or VS2005's Testserver seems quite appropriate
and unless I'm missing a lot of posts, I don't think Seth was harrassing
you in any way.

Either way... My thanks to both of you... I found this thread very amusing
:)

Good times to all and hopefully the OP found some use in here.
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Thanks for the support Rory - I kept rereading my posts and couldn't
see how I was harassing Mr. Arnold. At least now I know I wasn't
missing something.
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When someone tells you that he or she doesn't want to be bothered with you
and you continue to post to them with nonsense is harassment (IMO).

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It seems he has gone from stubberness to outright trolling - and all I
asked for was a simple apology for him misquoting me.

Most would and they are going to do the right thing for the most part.
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Don't confuse me with the advocates of hacking XP home - I said to use
the test server that ships with VWD and VS for testing.


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Someone what to tell me how that one statement above that I made about using
IIS on XP Pro is doing the right thing (IMO) has somehow lead to me
misquoting this person?

Not only is it a ludicrous conclusion on his part, I consider it to be a
touch of lunacy on his part as well, for harassing me looking for some kind
of apology that is not warranted, and H*ll will freeze over first before he
gets some kind apology from me, because I have done *nothing wrong*.

I don't know what's wrong with this person, and personally (IMHO) this
person needs to be locked up.

If anyone was doing any trolling, it was this person hounding me with his
nonsense about some apology that I am suppose to give that is not warranted,
and it's not going to happen either. He can stick it he knows where.
 
Someone what to tell me how that one statement above that I made about using
IIS on XP Pro is doing the right thing (IMO) has somehow lead to me
misquoting this person?
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Perhaps I misunderstood you earlier - so here is your chance to
clarify:

Did you not mean that by me stating that is was needless and foolish
to upgrade to XP Pro to test web applications it was morally/legally
wrong? And also didn't this imply that I was one of the advocates of
hacking XP Home to run IIS? This is what I took from your statements,
and this is why I asked for an apology.
I don't know what's wrong with this person, and personally (IMHO) this
person needs to be locked up.
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FYI - posted "(IMHO)" before a libelous statement does not make it any
more libelous. Would you now like to drop the childlike antics and
talk about this like an adult?

I am doing what I can to handle this in a professional manner - please
drop the name calling and simply answer my above question about what
you meant by your previous statements. If I misunderstood your intents
I will apologize, and if you misunderstood my intents the professional
thing for you to do would be to apologize.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
I am doing what I can to handle this in a professional manner - please
drop the name calling and simply answer my above question about what
you meant by your previous statements. If I misunderstood your intents
I will apologize, and if you misunderstood my intents the professional
thing for you to do would be to apologize.
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You had no business coming into my face to begin with, period. You needed to
post to the OP, and mind your own business like I was mining my own
business. But you couldn't do that could you? You had to lip service me on
something that I absolutely could care less about it.

I don't have to explain *anything* to you, master. I am not here to hold
your hand , satisfy you or cater to your needs. That's the job of your
family, and I doubt that they even do that.

I thought I made it kind of clear in my posts that I didn't want to be
bothered with you, but you choose to ignore it.

The only thing you can do at this point and in the future is just stay out
of my face, because I'll put it to you bluntly again, *you* *don't* *mean*
*anything* *to* *me*. I could care less about what you're talking about.

I am here for the OP that needs help, if I can help the OP. I am not here
for you.

I can't make it any plainer to you than that.
 
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You had no business coming into my face to begin with, period. You needed to
post to the OP, and mind your own business like I was mining my own
business. But you couldn't do that could you? You had to lip service me on
something that I absolutely could care less about it.

I don't have to explain *anything* to you, master. I am not here to hold
your hand , satisfy you or cater to your needs. That's the job of your
family, and I doubt that they even do that.

I thought I made it kind of clear in my posts that I didn't want to be
bothered with you, but you choose to ignore it.

The only thing you can do at this point and in the future is just stay out
of my face, because I'll put it to you bluntly again, *you* *don't* *mean*
*anything* *to* *me*. I could care less about what you're talking about.

I am here for the OP that needs help, if I can help the OP. I am not here
for you.

I can't make it any plainer to you than that.
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Sigh, I can see you are not a professional and continuing this
conversation will be as futile as continuing one with Aaron Kempf. I
hope the readers of this post at least see my attempts to resolve a
situation and your complete disregard for all professional conduct.

Now to let this thread die...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
 
rowe_newsgroups said:
Sigh, I can see you are not a professional and continuing this
conversation will be as futile as continuing one with Aaron Kempf. I
hope the readers of this post at least see my attempts to resolve a
situation and your complete disregard for all professional conduct.

Now to let this thread die...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional

You and this NG are not putting one penny in my pockets. If there was some
money on the line and I was getting *paid*, then things I would be
different.

You act like I know who Aaron Kempf is. I don't know who he is, and I don't
want to know who you are either. And I haven't read your posts in the past
nor will I be reading them in future.

I am not here to debate or discuss anything with the *regulars*. I am here
only for the OP that needs help, otherwise, someone like you shows with the
need to start running your mouth.

Hasta la vista -- baby!
 
Depends on the user's situation ... I certainly would not upgrade my OS if I
could not get a software package to work as advertised! Which is the case,
the OP wants to TEST a web site, not deploy - TEST a web site using VS2005,
which offers a Test Server for those users that do not have IIS installed on
their machines. So, should I upgrade my OS simply becuase I can not get the
software (VS2005) to work as advertised?

What is the 'right thing for the most part' ...

? upgrade my OS when I already have the tools on my machine to do what I
need to do? Again, waste of time and money.

? forget about a problem, do not resolve the issue, do not figure out a
solution, just put more money into you computer so you can 'TEST' (not
deploy) a web site. Again, waste of money... figuring it out, and solving
the issue is a good learning experience ... do not fix the problem, resolve
the issue!

I think the OP's best solution is to find out why the test server is not
working ... that will make the user a better programmer. Instead of
applying a fix to something that is not broken.

I agree you suggestion to upgrade the OS to XP Pro would work. What I
disagree with is you blanket statement that most would upgrade their OS to
resolve this problem.

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one ... I side with
rowe_newsgroup.

Just because somebody disagrees with your solution - and offers the reason
why - does not mean they are disrespectful to you - let the OP (and other
readers) evaluate the merit of both solutions. Do not try to subtract from
the alternate solution by attacking the poster.
 
"jeff" <jhersey at allnorth dottt com> wrote in message

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I don't think I did attack the poster. I just didn't want hear what he had
to say. which he didn't seem to understand nor do you it seems.

You have your opinions on things, and I have my opinions on things. Opinions
are a dime a dozen, and everyone has got one. There is no debate about this,
and I don't want to hear what you have to say about it. He, you and the OP
can do whatever you want with your machines, because after all, they are
your machines. I could care less about it.

I'll tell anyone who is doing Web development with no exceptions. One uses a
workstation O/S that supports a Web Server such as Win 2k Pro, XP Pro and
Vista, and I don't care what VS 2005 has in it.

There is no maybe(s), black or white and in betweens with me concerning
this - none. That's my opinion and my take on things that I have applied to
IT since 1971. There would be no way some thing like XP Home Edition would
even be considered, and XP Pro should have been the O/S the OP should have
gotten right out of the gate.
 
jeff said:
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I don't think I did attack the poster. I just didn't want hear what he
had to say. Which he didn't seem to understand nor do you it seems.
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"Mr Arnold" you say you don't think you attacked Seth. This is of course
good because, even if your posts came across badly, it means that you did
not intend them to. We are all guilty from time to time of rash decisions
and of jumping to conclusions.

However we now have a total of 3 people (Seth, jeff and myself) who think
Seth's position is a valid one. Save for myself (I'm sure there is time yet),
I would say you have been, at the very least, unpleasent to all of them.
These people are simply giving their opinion.

Seth's point was a direct counterpoint to your own and in the natural flow
of a conversation it made most sense that he reply to you rather than directly
to the OP. This is usually to help the flow of understanding from one post
to the next.
I'll tell anyone who is doing Web development with no exceptions. One
uses a workstation O/S that supports a Web Server such as Win 2k Pro,
XP Pro and Vista, and I don't care what VS 2005 has in it.
There is no maybe(s), black or white and in betweens with me
concerning this - none.
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About whether this is your opinion or not, I agree - There can of course
be no debate.

About whether this is reasonable or not. Well... you have as I say, had 3
people suggest the opposite.

I hate to break it to you, but in the real world...

.... there are shades of grey
.... there are business concerns
.... there is opinion
.... there are exceptions

all with good reason.

Are you really saying that when confronted with an apparent choice between
option a and option b, you never look for an option c because "There is no
maybe(s), black or white and in betweens with me"

"I'll *tell* anyone", "One uses", "I don't care" - *If* this is truely the
case (but I suspect not) then don't be surprised if *most* ignore you.

The balance of probability suggests that the OP would care about "what VS
2005 has in it".
That's my opinion and my take on things that I
have applied to IT since 1971.
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Again opinion should be flexible to new idea's. If your opinion had not changed
at all in all those years then it would be a miracle if you were still employed/in
business. Again I suspect that you are in fact more flexible than you let on.
There would be no way some thing like
XP Home Edition would even be considered, and XP Pro should have been
the O/S the OP should have gotten right out of the gate.
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As indicated, the world is not Black and White.

Depends if the user had any say in the matter or even knew about the limitation
in the first place.
he might have been hopeing to turn a hobby into something more. Typically
people not based in the industry have very little need of XPPro and would
have to use the family PC (Very likely to have XPHome on it) for any experimental
programming that they might be doing.
 
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I am not here to debate with anyone, nor do I want to hear about anyone's
opinions on something. My only concern is to the OP. I would prefer that
you and others just ignore me and not post to me, because. Life will go on,
the Sun will come up and it will be a new day.

None of this of which you talk about means anything to me. It's moot. I
don't care. I don't dance to anyone's tune out here on the Internet.
 
One other thing, when you and others come to the realization that I don't
want to be bothered with anything one may want to say to me trying to give
his or her take on things, and that I am NOT going to receptive of it, then
the better things are going to be a a whole.
 
One other thing, when you and others come to the realization that I
don't want to be bothered with anything one may want to say to me
trying to give his or her take on things, and that I am NOT going to
receptive of it, then the better things are going to be a a whole.
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Good luck with that.

I submit that the only way not to have people talk to you is to not be where
people are.

If you don't like the way the world works, don't go out into it.
 
Rory Becker said:
Good luck with that.

I submit that the only way not to have people talk to you is to not be
where people are.

If you don't like the way the world works, don't go out into it.
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The other thing is just to killfile you, so that I won't see you again. And
that's what is going to happen now -- good bye. :)
 
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