If you think this is bad you should hear MY rants!

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By transparent do you mean that there should be no user interaction? Just
say NO to everything?

If I've misunderstood, what is your solution?
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Ed,

If you take a step back and look at the problem as a whole, IMNSHO the
problem stems from the fact that most people have NO idea how to even
determine whether it's okay to let a legitimate program run, as opposed to
malware. Common folk are the last people you should ask when the OS can't
make an informed decision on its own. So yeah, I suppose what I'm saying is
to disallow everything silently.

Of course, the problem then becomes one of unblocking the legitimate apps.
It's the classic case of security vs convenience.

Honestly, I *don't* know what the solution is unless you wanna seriously
depart from Microsoft's long history of trying not to break compatibility.
I think the OS needs to be more "aware" of what's going on, what's trying to
run, and as a result of what actions (user-action or otherwise), so it can
decide on its own based on a logical context. Constantly being in the
user's face isn't the solution, as people will develop the habit of simply
allowing everything.

The trend I'm beginning to see is that Microsoft is slowly but surely
positioning itself so it can eventually put the blame on the clueless users,
and that's where it's going to start losing its audience.
 
In my Opinion: Microsoft definitely needs to give us MSDN Subscriber's
something Newer than Build 5308 CTP (considering the fact that it is now
over 2 month's old and out-dated code), and so that they can prove to us
MSDN Subscriber's that Windows Vista (RTM) will be a worth-wile Operating
System to Upgrade to (just as soon as it's no longer in Beta).
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Kevin: Give it up. I don't think your opinion carries any weight in these
newsgroups anymore.

PS - You're much more entertaining when you blow a gasket.
 
First let me be clear: I don't wrok on UAP and I'm pretty much seeing what
you are seeing. I will admint that over the past year the amout of noise
that I"m seeimg from UAP (still struggling not to call it LUA) has greatly
deministhed. It seems now that it just pops up when something is seriously
trying to install on the box.

The biggest security problem is that "everyone" is running as admin on their
box. I'm guessing that everyone will still be in the admin group.

Thanks for your feedback and I'm hoping the UAP folks are watching also. :)
 
The biggest security problem is that "everyone" is running as admin on
their box. I'm guessing that everyone will still be in the admin group.
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Ain't that the truth.

A *lot* of old and even brand new apps won't install or run under a
restricted user account; a lot of games won't even run because their copy
protection scheme attempts to install some device driver. Etc, etc.

Generally, it's just "less hassle" to give up and run everything as admin.
Windows has to take some blame for having fostered this sort of environment
to begin with...to fix it, applications will have to be broken.
 
One of my friends got to test the beta and they hated it. He
couldn't get UAP to turn off. I haven't played with it yet but from
what I heard it's a pain. When is it going public by the way? This
month or not til next or not til June now?
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I played with Vista for a few hours and if by UAP you mean the OS asking
you if you wsnt to allow X to run where X may be Windows' own networks
dialog, then yeah that thing is very annoying as it is currently
implemented. It seems MS's idea of security is to badger the users to
the point where they will be afraid to touch anything in Windows.
 
Please keep in mind, that MS is still working on the UAP. They are aware of
the fact of how many times it does pop up. I am looking forward to seeing
what the Public Beta has in store.

--
Jason

Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group.
Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.

http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878

MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2


darius said:
Frank said:
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
I think they threw UAP on everything in Vista, what they are doing
now basically is to strain it out based on feedback.

I understand UAP will be implemented by default on the public beta.
What a joke. I can already hear the outcry!
Frank
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One of my friends got to test the beta and they hated it. He
couldn't get UAP to turn off. I haven't played with it yet but from
what I heard it's a pain. When is it going public by the way? This
month or not til next or not til June now?
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I played with Vista for a few hours and if by UAP you mean the OS asking
you if you wsnt to allow X to run where X may be Windows' own networks
dialog, then yeah that thing is very annoying as it is currently
implemented. It seems MS's idea of security is to badger the users to
the point where they will be afraid to touch anything in Windows.
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