IEradicator for XP?

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All I can say is this: my ME system crashed several times a day. I used
IEradicator and the crashes are now a thing of the past. My computer has
crashed only once in the past six months, and that was the other day when I
tried the trial version of WillowMEDIA. (BTW, the version that SOS posted
works just fine.)

Programs I used to use that require IE will no longer run. Obviously, IE is
gone.

Yes, there may still be an HTML engine built into Windows that allows me to
use wallpaper on my desktop. But IE and it's baggage have checked out.

There is no security risk that I can identify if IE is not present. I use
other browsers now and I am happy. The crashes were what made me unhappy,
and they are gone. There has to be a corellation with ditching IE and the
disappearance of crashes.

This has been my experience as well with both Win 98 original and Win
ME. Futhermore, I purposely seek out web sites reported to give IE
users problems with malware/spyware installs and never have any
problem. As you say, software requiring IE will not run or install.
I've never experienced any instability at all after using IEradicator.
I also delete OE.

One thing additional I did on my current Win ME PC is to rename
MSHTML.DLL to MSHTML.OLD. This had no ill effect. However, if I rename
away SHDOCVW.DLL Windows stalls out when starting. I'm pretty sure I
played around with this sort of thing on my former Win 98 PC several
years back but I don't recall if I could perform further surgery or
not :) I doubt if it's necessary anyway.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
Oops!! You are right and now there is a new enhanced "a" version:

Should work well enough, until Gate$ and cronies decide to embed IE/OE
into the kernel with a service pack update patch.

Probably will justify it by calling it part of the new spam elimination
project.
 
This has been my experience as well with both Win 98 original and Win
ME. Futhermore, I purposely seek out web sites reported to give IE
users problems with malware/spyware installs and never have any
problem. As you say, software requiring IE will not run or install.
I've never experienced any instability at all after using IEradicator.
I also delete OE.

One thing additional I did on my current Win ME PC is to rename
MSHTML.DLL to MSHTML.OLD. This had no ill effect. However, if I rename
away SHDOCVW.DLL Windows stalls out when starting. I'm pretty sure I
played around with this sort of thing on my former Win 98 PC several
years back but I don't recall if I could perform further surgery or
not :) I doubt if it's necessary anyway.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

I remember I had more problems with my Win2K. You only can apply
IEradicator to W2K-SP1 but later, once IEradicator was applied, I was
unable to install newer ServicePacks. It can be a problem: for
example, if you want to install the Microsoft Blaster patch you need
at least SP-2 installed.

Maybe it is a better idea to use IEradicator just for Win9x systems
for stability reasons. I never have stability problems with my Win2K
and just wanted to get rid of IE (I prefer Mozilla) and its security
holes. Anyway, I'll try this new IEradicator "a" version in a clean
Win2K-SP1 installation one of this days :)

Y.M.
 
WhItE said:
@News.CIS.DFN.DE:
Should work well enough, until Gate$ and cronies decide to embed IE/OE
into the kernel with a service pack update patch.

Probably will justify it by calling it part of the new spam elimination
project.

Instead of embedding IE/OE into the kernel M$ is going after your BIOS
instead!

Microsoft moves to integrate Windows with BIOS
Matthew Broersma
ZDNet UK
October 03, 2003, 17:25 GMT

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020387,39116902,00.htm

A deal with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies would allow the operating
system to directly control hardware. It also raises concerns over who
controls the software in PCs

Microsoft has expanded its relationship with BIOS maker Phoenix
Technologies in a deal designed to more closely integrate the basic
building blocks of the PC with the Windows operating system.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/03/2127213
 
Instead of embedding IE/OE into the kernel M$ is going after your BIOS
instead!

Microsoft moves to integrate Windows with BIOS
Matthew Broersma
ZDNet UK
October 03, 2003, 17:25 GMT

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020387,39116902,00.htm

A deal with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies would allow the operating
system to directly control hardware. It also raises concerns over who
controls the software in PCs

Microsoft has expanded its relationship with BIOS maker Phoenix
Technologies in a deal designed to more closely integrate the basic
building blocks of the PC with the Windows operating system.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/03/2127213

Have you seen the movie Kill Bill? It's violent, but it's actually
pretty good!
 
Trying to get a word in edge-wise "omega" wrote in

I understood it wouldn't be all clean when I was done using IEradicator
so I dove in and started reaming out FPExpress, IE and OE. I think
IEradicator cuts the chains that bind that sh*t to the OS. None of the
several times a day crashes that I grew to love and admire :) It
crashed so much before, I had changed the "Blue screen of death" to the
"Magenta screen of death".
Last thing I did was block or delete all of the following Windows
references - Win Ex, 2EX, Winupdate, OE & IE - with my firewall.
I tell ya though. It doesn't come without anxiety to rid your system of
something that is more invasive than a bucketful of trojans liberally
sprinkled with virus "jimmys" to have peace of mind. So far, so good.
Also changed MSHTML.DLL to MSHTML.OLD as Art says he did a few posts
down.
 
WingNut said:
Instead of embedding IE/OE into the kernel M$ is going after your BIOS
instead!

Microsoft moves to integrate Windows with BIOS
Matthew Broersma ZDNet UK October 03, 2003, 17:25 GMT

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020387,39116902,00.htm

A deal with BIOS maker Phoenix Technologies would allow the operating
system to directly control hardware. It also raises concerns over who
controls the software in PCs
[...]
I refuse to even read this. Just the headline title made me nauseous.

One of the most compelling things about using Windows is you're continually
having a battle with who gets to be in charge of your system. Stubborn
Windows defaults, or your preferences. I believe that for some of us this
ends by becoming a strong attraction. Part of our nature to like to play
challenging games against an opponent. From what I've remotely heard about
the nature of Linux...you don't get to have that game. That Linux passively
lets you decide what you want. No game in that! Not having to beat down your
OS for letting you have things as you see fit. But! To totally cheat on the
game in advance and try to gain control by using the BIOS level! Hey, no
way, game refused.
 
WingNut said:
Lol, careful BillG may be listening! ;) netscan.research.microsoft.com

One day I might look up on that site whether credit was given to the
originator of that project. Its parent was a grad student (have to look
up details), project birth approx 1999.
 
dszady said:
I understood it wouldn't be all clean when I was done using IEradicator
so I dove in and started reaming out FPExpress, IE and OE. I think

On impulse, I renamed iexplore.exe a couple of weeks ago, to verify my
belief that nothing would be affected. Thus far, nothing has complained.
Same time, there are a few progs out there that are hard-coded to want
it, and won't look in the registry for default browser; they'd have to
be dealt with specially.

(Tangent... The other day I changed the rename from iexplore.xxx to
iexploreX.exe, and when launched, itse start-up message was curious,
something about iexplore running in "compatibility mode." I haven't
checked what is meant with that.)

OE, I don't have it installed. Yet the project I've had on my todo list for
a while is to find how to install it most minimally - just enough to get
support for mshtml file format (that compressed html & pics all-in-one file
given on the IE save as). I'd prefer to have that, just I've not going
around to going through the task of getting it without an excess amount
of accompanying OE debris.
IEradicator cuts the chains that bind that sh*t to the OS. None of the
several times a day crashes that I grew to love and admire :) It
crashed so much before, I had changed the "Blue screen of death" to the
"Magenta screen of death".

In contrast to the way some others report, I don't have any crashes or
errors. I have IE installed, and regularly use the MSIE browser family.
My system is w98SE + MSIE 5.5. I had some ugly errors for a bit in early
part of 2000, which was when I first began using IE. I do not know, as now,
whether they were due to malware (back then, there was very little warning
about spyware and adware). Or whether they were due to weak system files etc
of IE. The fact that I have no problems at all with IE...I should disclose
that my case possibly might not be a fair one to use. Due to the fact that
I allow sites to run scripting only on a very selective basis. I would
suppose that a lot of the crashes IE users get only happen when scripting
is active ?

As to IEradicator, this morning I managed to extract its scripts, in order
to learn what it does. They're in *.inf format. First thing I noticed
is that the script is hard-coded, does not look in the registry for your
paths. Thus it would not work on my system, since I don't use default paths,
eg "Temporary Internet Files," etc. Beyond that, I haven't yet taken time
to read the scripts in more detail. Each script, the one for 2001 and 2001A,
it's 42k. I have inclination to post them, for those interested, but have
not thought through whether that would be met with interest or approval. If
interest and approval were yes, then, given their size, I'd have to think
about perhaps posting to a test group, in conjunction with dropping the MID
here. Alternative, for anyone interested in the matter, is that I just
describe how I got the scripts extracted, for viewing purposes, without
having to deal with the serious leap of blindly letting them run.
Last thing I did was block or delete all of the following Windows
references - Win Ex, 2EX, Winupdate, OE & IE - with my firewall.
I tell ya though. It doesn't come without anxiety to rid your system of
something that is more invasive than a bucketful of trojans liberally
sprinkled with virus "jimmys" to have peace of mind. So far, so good.

Your firewall blocks, that strikes me the ideal defense strategy, for
where to get your inet security finely honed...
Also changed MSHTML.DLL to MSHTML.OLD as Art says he did a few posts
down.

I guess it depends which programs you run. I have a significant group of
programs that host the MS Browser Control, ones I wouldn't at all want to
disable. (Not just browsers, this group, but offline programs, that involve
functions such as inline display of web documents.) But although it would be
something for my own usage that I'd not want to do, I read with interest
about the two of you conducting this experiment, and that your results so
far are satisfactory.
 
dszady said:
crashed so much before, I had changed the "Blue screen of death" to the
"Magenta screen of death".

Heh. My config is close to that: I use a BLOOD-RED background for my BSoD
settings. :)
 
This has been my experience as well with both Win 98 original and Win
ME. Futhermore, I purposely seek out web sites reported to give IE
users problems with malware/spyware installs and never have any
problem. As you say, software requiring IE will not run or install.
I've never experienced any instability at all after using IEradicator.
I also delete OE.

One thing additional I did on my current Win ME PC is to rename
MSHTML.DLL to MSHTML.OLD. This had no ill effect. However, if I rename
away SHDOCVW.DLL Windows stalls out when starting. I'm pretty sure I
played around with this sort of thing on my former Win 98 PC several
years back but I don't recall if I could perform further surgery or
not :) I doubt if it's necessary anyway.


Another thing that I neglected to mention is that I also use OPPCOM,
another free utility, to root out more of the unneeded garbage in Windows
ME. OPPCOM allows you to uninstall many things, like Media Player, OOBE,
Scripting Host, PC Health and others. I have not seen any bad effects from
uninstalling any of this.

OPPCOM is available at:

http://www.beta10.com/oppcomme.htm

The program uses the Control Panel Add/Remove programs dialog, and anything
you wish to reinstall is easily done just be reticking the box next to it.

AFAIK, this program is only for Windows ME.
 
errors. I have IE installed, and regularly use the MSIE browser family.
My system is w98SE + MSIE 5.5. I had some ugly errors for a bit in early
part of 2000, which was when I first began using IE. I do not know, as now,
whether they were due to malware (back then, there was very little warning
about spyware and adware). Or whether they were due to weak system files etc
of IE. The fact that I have no problems at all with IE...

No problems? You're kidding? What IE5.5 sp you have? Since IE5.5 sp2 you
have error "reporting" tool installed and enabled by default. those
"reporting" packets are encrypted and are going through any FW. And this
just one thing to ponder about and get rid of IE.
Anyway, here's my test on IErad on win98, fresh install,IE4.0, all
default paths. It takes IE and OE out nicely, but lives zillions of
IE&OE entries in registry. It was some time ago and I didn't track what
files and reg entries its takingn out. It was not enough for me so I went
for 98lite pro. It did what was promised. I did some tweaks by my own,
and now I have 38.5 meg windoze. If you didn't see how 38 meg windoze
flying, you see nothing.
Security. If you close all ports, and know what you're doing, you don't
need no FW,no AV. no nothing. Use Sun Java, firebird, some nice news
reader and email client, and you set for life.
Stability. Not a one crash that I can't recovered from.
Streaming shoutcast,news,quotes and so on. 10-12 apps open at once.
Couple of monitoring apps. Still like to keep windose in check, even not
much left of the original.
O yea. No windose update of any kind. God forbid. I don't have time to
explain, just take my word for it, or do your own DD.
For those XP guys, if you didnt do your research before you put it in
your box, you deserve it.
 
No problems? You're kidding? What IE5.5 sp you have? Since IE5.5 sp2 you
have error "reporting" tool installed and enabled by default. those
"reporting" packets are encrypted and are going through any FW. And this
just one thing to ponder about and get rid of IE.
Anyway, here's my test on IErad on win98, fresh install,IE4.0, all
default paths. It takes IE and OE out nicely, but lives zillions of
IE&OE entries in registry. It was some time ago and I didn't track what
files and reg entries its takingn out. It was not enough for me so I went
for 98lite pro. It did what was promised. I did some tweaks by my own,
and now I have 38.5 meg windoze. If you didn't see how 38 meg windoze
flying, you see nothing.

With a Windows folder of this size I assume you are refering to 98Lite
micro (and a decluttered one at that -- even micro leaves about 12Mb
of ini.files in place), which does not allow connection to the web as
a native application, it needs quite a bit of tweaking. Not a job for
a Newbie. As the OP was enquiring about XP, I doubt that this info
will help him much, especially as it is not freeware.
Security. If you close all ports, and know what you're doing, you don't
need no FW,no AV. no nothing. Use Sun Java, firebird, some nice news
reader and email client, and you set for life.

I hope you don't network it :o)
Stability. Not a one crash that I can't recovered from.
Streaming shoutcast,news,quotes and so on. 10-12 apps open at once.
Couple of monitoring apps. Still like to keep windose in check, even not
much left of the original.

I have been using 98Lite for about 3-4 years and certainly agree about
the stability, even if the less radical options (like chubby install)
are used.
O yea. No windose update of any kind. God forbid. I don't have time to
explain, just take my word for it, or do your own DD.
For those XP guys, if you didnt do your research before you put it in
your box, you deserve it.

and thank you for your friendly words of encouragement :o)

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