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Guest
Hi plun,
More reading here: http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35665
So Nov 1 is the official day for the push.
More reading here: http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35665
So Nov 1 is the official day for the push.
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plun
Engel skrev:
Hi Engel...
It was rather easy to unpack the file with Winrar and
run IE7 setup directly without Yahoos extra package...
The same "stop" as with earlier versions directly after start !?
IE7 is good but Firefox 2.0 better
regards
plun
Hi Engel...
It was rather easy to unpack the file with Winrar and
run IE7 setup directly without Yahoos extra package...
The same "stop" as with earlier versions directly after start !?
IE7 is good but Firefox 2.0 better
regards
plun
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Dave M
OK... So the regular posters here tend to be pretty conservative security
wise. Is anyone else besides me blocking the automated download for a
while after the (November 1) update date, or am I being too conservative?
Seems to me the last few automated updates have left a lot to be desired
(there's one I still haven't figured out as to success or failure), so I'd
like to let someone else be on the bleeding edge instead of me for a change
with first crack at this update. And NO, I have not pre-tested IE 7. Is
there a back out path?
wise. Is anyone else besides me blocking the automated download for a
while after the (November 1) update date, or am I being too conservative?
Seems to me the last few automated updates have left a lot to be desired
(there's one I still haven't figured out as to success or failure), so I'd
like to let someone else be on the bleeding edge instead of me for a change
with first crack at this update. And NO, I have not pre-tested IE 7. Is
there a back out path?
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plun
Dave M skrev:
Hi Dave
Well .... I´m testing everything new, impossible to catch
for the bad guys...
I really hope that there is no way back to a tragic IE6.
I also really hope that users don´t block this upgrade.
It maybe takes 15 minutes to learn it.
IE6 must "rest in peace" and never come back...
regards
plun
Hi Dave
Well .... I´m testing everything new, impossible to catch
for the bad guys...
I really hope that there is no way back to a tragic IE6.
I also really hope that users don´t block this upgrade.
It maybe takes 15 minutes to learn it.
IE6 must "rest in peace" and never come back...
regards
plun
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plun
http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php
And without Yahoo
http://www.filehippo.com/download_internet_explorer/
IE7-7.00.5730.11 (winmain(wmbla).061017-1135)
Saves bandwidth costs for MS....
regards
plun
And without Yahoo
http://www.filehippo.com/download_internet_explorer/
IE7-7.00.5730.11 (winmain(wmbla).061017-1135)
Saves bandwidth costs for MS....
regards
plun
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Guest
Dave,
I will Not be downloading/installing MS Internet Explorer 7 Gamma1(1st
public release).
I intend to wait till at least 2 Patch Tuesdays pass WITHOUT any updates to
IE7 before I will try it. I might wait for IE7 Delta1 (SP1).
I'm pretty secure in my situation with IE6 currently. If my job lets it go
through I will test it from there. By the way this is not a security
concern, this is a flakey software concern.
?
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive
I will Not be downloading/installing MS Internet Explorer 7 Gamma1(1st
public release).
I intend to wait till at least 2 Patch Tuesdays pass WITHOUT any updates to
IE7 before I will try it. I might wait for IE7 Delta1 (SP1).
I'm pretty secure in my situation with IE6 currently. If my job lets it go
through I will test it from there. By the way this is not a security
concern, this is a flakey software concern.
?
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive
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plun
Tim Clark skrev:
The bad guys will hunt IE6 users.... for sure... the most
important security patch
in history.
But for users with knowledge about risks it´s maybe OK and
of course
inside protected corporate environments.
regards
plun
The bad guys will hunt IE6 users.... for sure... the most
important security patch
in history.
But for users with knowledge about risks it´s maybe OK and
of course
inside protected corporate environments.
regards
plun
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Guest
Plun,
Actually I believe they will hunt the IE7 Gamma users! Who do you think
were the 1st ones to download the IE7 Betas? The black hats of course! They
know it will be buggey out the door, and since MS is pushing it out to
EveryOne via AutoUpdates there will be few IE6 users left. They are, I'm
sure, already writing their attack codes as we speak. They want to do as
much damage as they can before MS finds the flaws in IE7 Gamma1. After the
damage is done MS will release one or two major patches to the Gamma1 and
things will settle down. At that point it might be safe to try.
Anyone one taking bets on how long after November 1st before the first patch
to Gamma1 is released ???
?:-\
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive
Actually I believe they will hunt the IE7 Gamma users! Who do you think
were the 1st ones to download the IE7 Betas? The black hats of course! They
know it will be buggey out the door, and since MS is pushing it out to
EveryOne via AutoUpdates there will be few IE6 users left. They are, I'm
sure, already writing their attack codes as we speak. They want to do as
much damage as they can before MS finds the flaws in IE7 Gamma1. After the
damage is done MS will release one or two major patches to the Gamma1 and
things will settle down. At that point it might be safe to try.
Anyone one taking bets on how long after November 1st before the first patch
to Gamma1 is released ???
?:-\
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive
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robinb
i am beta testing ie7 and i do find it more stable so far then ie6
robin
robin
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Dave M
Thanks everyone for your wide ranging contributions here. I wasn't sure
what way I wanted to go, but I think I got it figured out due in part to
the help of your comments... I'm keeping my block on until after the public
push ...and I just updated all my alternative browsers. Good luck...
what way I wanted to go, but I think I got it figured out due in part to
the help of your comments... I'm keeping my block on until after the public
push ...and I just updated all my alternative browsers. Good luck...
A
Anonymous Bob
plun said:
So sad it won't run on w2k...
Bob Vanderveen
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Guest
Tim
I think your paranoia is starting to cloud your better judgement. IE7 in its
Beta format was more secure than IE6 could ever hope to be! It has become
extremely difficult to write malaware code for Windows XP/IE7 which is why
there is now a trend moving towards other operating systems and their
applications. For those unadventurous individuals who would rather adopt the
`wait and see approach`, the issue tends to become one of
installation/execution rather than security. In other words. They don`t want
to risk screwing up their coms with the installation process that goes wrong.
In the meantime, while you are waiting for IE7 Gamma this `n` gamma that, not
to mention the 2nd Tuesday of next month - you be careful out there
Stu
I think your paranoia is starting to cloud your better judgement. IE7 in its
Beta format was more secure than IE6 could ever hope to be! It has become
extremely difficult to write malaware code for Windows XP/IE7 which is why
there is now a trend moving towards other operating systems and their
applications. For those unadventurous individuals who would rather adopt the
`wait and see approach`, the issue tends to become one of
installation/execution rather than security. In other words. They don`t want
to risk screwing up their coms with the installation process that goes wrong.
In the meantime, while you are waiting for IE7 Gamma this `n` gamma that, not
to mention the 2nd Tuesday of next month - you be careful out there
Stu
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Guest
Tim Clark said:
Makes a lot of sense to me! I haven't been following all this IE7 stuff at
all, but the argument in favour of waiting out the first few patch Tuesdays
sounds pretty compelling.
Could someone tell me please - what will happen exactly? If I download IE7,
will it uninstall IE6? Or will IE6 remain as an optional browser?
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plun
Alan D skrev:
Hi Alan
If you balance "pros and cons" with IE7 it will probably end
up in a upgrade.
( or it must end up in a upgrade)
I don´t believe in that "gamma" talk, IE7 is hard tested and
everything is well known.
IE7 uninstalls IE6 so there is no way to run both.
IE7 Homepage:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
"Take the tour" and watch the video.
Also see new security features.
Sandis site:
http://www.ie-vista.com/
regards
plun
Hi Alan
If you balance "pros and cons" with IE7 it will probably end
up in a upgrade.
( or it must end up in a upgrade)
I don´t believe in that "gamma" talk, IE7 is hard tested and
everything is well known.
IE7 uninstalls IE6 so there is no way to run both.
IE7 Homepage:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
"Take the tour" and watch the video.
Also see new security features.
Sandis site:
http://www.ie-vista.com/
regards
plun
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Robin
if you need to uninstall ie7 it will revert back to ie6 (at least it has so
far in beta)
but when i went back to ie6 my ie6 was a mess and kept crashing so I
reinstalled the ie7 and everything went back to normal.
robin
far in beta)
but when i went back to ie6 my ie6 was a mess and kept crashing so I
reinstalled the ie7 and everything went back to normal.
robin
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Guest
Stu,
My judgement is fine. I am secure and will continue to be. I was only
making a point to plun that very few people will still have IE6 after the WU
push and the blacks will next go after IE7. I also stated in the post that
plun was replying to that my concern with IE7 gamma is not the security
question but the flaky software question. I want to a least be sure that the
gamma will not, as you put it, be "screwing up [my]their coms with the
installation process that goes wrong". I also want my current
toolbars/pluggins/ etc to go unharmed. The biggest secutity risk is unsafe
browsing, which I don't practice. I will get the "7", a couple of months
wont hurt me.
?
Tim
My judgement is fine. I am secure and will continue to be. I was only
making a point to plun that very few people will still have IE6 after the WU
push and the blacks will next go after IE7. I also stated in the post that
plun was replying to that my concern with IE7 gamma is not the security
question but the flaky software question. I want to a least be sure that the
gamma will not, as you put it, be "screwing up [my]their coms with the
installation process that goes wrong". I also want my current
toolbars/pluggins/ etc to go unharmed. The biggest secutity risk is unsafe
browsing, which I don't practice. I will get the "7", a couple of months
wont hurt me.
?
Tim
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Guest
Tim Clark said:
What happens to those - the plugins etc? Are they automatically transferred
from IE6 to IE7?
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Guest
That, my dear Watson is the question.
In theory they transfer, but I have heard of people having problems with the
Yahoo Toolbar/companion on the Betas. Of course if you download the Yahoo/IE
version I assume that will not be a problem. But it makes me wonder why
Yahoo has chosen to release this version. It could imply that there is in
fact a problem with the upgrade path.
?
Tim
In theory they transfer, but I have heard of people having problems with the
Yahoo Toolbar/companion on the Betas. Of course if you download the Yahoo/IE
version I assume that will not be a problem. But it makes me wonder why
Yahoo has chosen to release this version. It could imply that there is in
fact a problem with the upgrade path.
?
Tim
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Guest
Hi Dave,
I'm scared, I find myself agreeing with Plun again!
However, one thing I haven't heard anyone here mention is that there's a
huge difference between the release of Internet Explorer 7 and any version
before it. The 'public' has already had versions of the browser for months,
so significant new bugs aren't as likely, including in deployment.
This also means that public web sites have had months to remove
compatibility issues, so there should be few, if any issues left with access.
If there are, the companies involved are at great risk of loosing customers
to those that do work.
From a probability standpoint, you're much more likely to be attacked with
the known issues in IE 6, since when IE 7 is combined with Defender all of
its abilities come into play. With IE 6, Defender can only protect in ways
similar to other third-party browsers, since it was really designed to
interface directly with IE 7.
Bitman
I'm scared, I find myself agreeing with Plun again!
However, one thing I haven't heard anyone here mention is that there's a
huge difference between the release of Internet Explorer 7 and any version
before it. The 'public' has already had versions of the browser for months,
so significant new bugs aren't as likely, including in deployment.
This also means that public web sites have had months to remove
compatibility issues, so there should be few, if any issues left with access.
If there are, the companies involved are at great risk of loosing customers
to those that do work.
From a probability standpoint, you're much more likely to be attacked with
the known issues in IE 6, since when IE 7 is combined with Defender all of
its abilities come into play. With IE 6, Defender can only protect in ways
similar to other third-party browsers, since it was really designed to
interface directly with IE 7.
Bitman