IDE controller problem? Please help!

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I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems start when
I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE channel like master,
and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the second IDE channel is dvd and
cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS) didn't recognise any device! Same
happens when I connect everything like it was before boughting new harddisc.
I've tried all possible combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few
diferent IDE cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no matter if
they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
What to do??
I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that will
help.
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Thanks!
 
tihi said:
I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems start when
I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE channel like master,
and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the second IDE channel is dvd and
cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS) didn't recognise any device! Same
happens when I connect everything like it was before boughting new harddisc.
I've tried all possible combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few
diferent IDE cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no matter if
they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
What to do??
I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that will
help.
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Thanks!
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What are the jumper selector settings on the Maxtor drive? You probably
have a conflict in both drive settings being 'Master'? Double check all
the Jumper settings!
The IBM needs to become Slave, and the Maxtor should be Master
 
tihi said:
What are the jumper selector settings on the Maxtor drive? You probably
have a conflict in both drive settings being 'Master'? Double check all
the Jumper settings!
The IBM needs to become Slave, and the Maxtor should be Master
Click to expand...
I've done that and check a couple of times. I've tried all posibile
combinations.
The situation is when I connect everithing like was before purchasing new
harddisc it still wont work!
Is it possible that IDE controller is partialy broken, and is able to
recognise dvd and cd devices, but no harddiscs? Because this is the case
here!
I've put the new BIOS but nothing is changed..
 
I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems start when
I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE channel like master,
and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the second IDE channel is dvd and
cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS) didn't recognise any device! Same
happens when I connect everything like it was before boughting new harddisc.
I've tried all possible combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few
diferent IDE cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no matter if
they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
What to do??
I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that will
help.
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Thanks!
Click to expand...

Try this.....put the new Maxtor as Primary IDE1, DVD as Secondary IDE1
and the old hard disk as Primary IDE2, CDRW as Secondary IDE2.



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I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems start when
I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE channel like master,
and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the second IDE channel is dvd and
cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS) didn't recognise any device! Same
happens when I connect everything like it was before boughting new harddisc.
I've tried all possible combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few
diferent IDE cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no matter if
they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
What to do??
I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that will
help.
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Thanks!
Click to expand...

Try this.....put the new Maxtor as Primary IDE1, DVD as Secondary IDE1
and the old hard disk as Primary IDE2, CDRW as Secondary IDE2.



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[QUOTE="tihi said:
What are the jumper selector settings on the Maxtor drive? You probably
have a conflict in both drive settings being 'Master'? Double check all
the Jumper settings!
The IBM needs to become Slave, and the Maxtor should be Master
Click to expand...
I've done that and check a couple of times. I've tried all posibile
combinations.
The situation is when I connect everithing like was before purchasing new
harddisc it still wont work!
Is it possible that IDE controller is partialy broken, and is able to
recognise dvd and cd devices, but no harddiscs? Because this is the case
here!
I've put the new BIOS but nothing is changed..
[/QUOTE]
Not very likely an IDE partially broken. If what you say is correct and
you HAVE tried all possibilities (including just plugging the original
hard drive in on its own on either port and ensuring the jumper settings
are spot on), then more likely is the hard drive has become damaged,
though even this seems unlikely. No bent pins anywhere are there? With
the case open do you hear the HD spin up on boot up? Is the power
connector to the HD in properly? Recheck absolutely everything.
Sometimes the obvious can get overlooked.
 
tihi said:
I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems start when
I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE channel like master,
and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the second IDE channel is dvd and
cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS) didn't recognise any device! Same
happens when I connect everything like it was before boughting new harddisc.
I've tried all possible combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few
diferent IDE cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no matter if
they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
What to do??
I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that will
help.
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Thanks!
Click to expand...

Set both hard drives to cable select and put the new one on the end
connector, assuming you want it to be master.

If that doesn't work then try the new drive all alone with none of the
others connected. If it still isn't detected then you may have a bad drive.
 
Hmm..., maybe a little too obvious, but you *do* have the IDE cable oriented
correctly, right?! (the blue connector goes to the mobo, the black and grey
go to the HDs). Considering that when you go back to the old config, it's
doesn't work anymore, this got me to thinking perhaps you've just installed
it backwards.

Anyway, just speculating.

HTH

Jim
 
The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
Not very likely an IDE partially broken. If what you say is correct and
you HAVE tried all possibilities (including just plugging the original
hard drive in on its own on either port and ensuring the jumper settings
are spot on), then more likely is the hard drive has become damaged,
though even this seems unlikely. No bent pins anywhere are there? With
the case open do you hear the HD spin up on boot up? Is the power
connector to the HD in properly? Recheck absolutely everything.
Sometimes the obvious can get overlooked.
Click to expand...

You have been right. On the old hard two pins were broken. I've fix that and
the old harddisc is working properly now.
But the problem with new Maxtor drive still remains. I heard that he is
spinning, and it is partionaly recognised in BIOS (under IDE settings BIOS
corectly writes that the primary master is Maxtor, but BIOS can't read its
size). I've downladed Maxtor aplication for making partitions and formating,
but this aplication also can't see the drive.
Is there any special procedure for installing new (large 120M) harddrive?
 
"Jim" wrote :
Hmm..., maybe a little too obvious, but you *do* have the IDE cable oriented
correctly, right?! (the blue connector goes to the mobo, the black and grey
go to the HDs). Considering that when you go back to the old config, it's
doesn't work anymore, this got me to thinking perhaps you've just installed
it backwards.

Anyway, just speculating.

HTH

Jim
Click to expand...

:)
I've check the cable orientation couple of times, but the problem is not
there. There was couple pins on old hard broken, I've fix that and now it is
working, but the problem with new drive remains. :(
 
[QUOTE="tihi said:
Not very likely an IDE partially broken. If what you say is correct and
you HAVE tried all possibilities (including just plugging the original
hard drive in on its own on either port and ensuring the jumper settings
are spot on), then more likely is the hard drive has become damaged,
though even this seems unlikely. No bent pins anywhere are there? With
the case open do you hear the HD spin up on boot up? Is the power
connector to the HD in properly? Recheck absolutely everything.
Sometimes the obvious can get overlooked.
Click to expand...

You have been right. On the old hard two pins were broken. I've fix that and
the old harddisc is working properly now.
But the problem with new Maxtor drive still remains. I heard that he is
spinning, and it is partionaly recognised in BIOS (under IDE settings BIOS
corectly writes that the primary master is Maxtor, but BIOS can't read its
size). I've downladed Maxtor aplication for making partitions and formating,
but this aplication also can't see the drive.
Is there any special procedure for installing new (large 120M) harddrive?
[/QUOTE]

Is the BIOS set to AUTO detect all your IDE devices? If not then,
unless you specifically need to do otherwise because your other HD has
an unusual specification, you could do that and hopefully your new HD
will at least be detected.

From that point on you're going to have to get it partitioned and
formatted. There are various ways to do this. If you currently boot to
XP then the partitioning software on that is ok. If you can't get the
Maxtor partitioning software to work (don't know how good it is, never
used it), then you may have to try Fdisk, but make sure it's an up-to-
date version (not the one that comes with win98) that can handle HD up
to 137GB.
 
| tihi wrote:
|| I've bought new harddisc Maxtor Diamondmax plus, and my problems
|| start when I try to insall it. I've connect it on the first IDE
|| channel like master, and the old harddisc IBM like slave. On the
|| second IDE channel is dvd and cd/rw devices. But the BIOS (AMIBIOS)
|| didn't recognise any device! Same happens when I connect everything
|| like it was before boughting new harddisc. I've tried all possible
|| combinations of jumpers on the harddiscs, and few diferent IDE
|| cabels, but nothing worked. I've thought that IDE controller is
|| gone, but when I connect only dvd and cd/rw they are recognised no
|| matter if they are on the first or on the secod IDE channel!
|| What to do??
|| I will try to put new version of BIOS, but somehow I doubt that that
|| will help.
|| The motherboard is MSI KT3V.
|| Thanks!
||
||
| What are the jumper selector settings on the Maxtor drive? You
| probably
| have a conflict in both drive settings being 'Master'? Double check
| all
| the Jumper settings!
| The IBM needs to become Slave, and the Maxtor should be Master

Given that when you only have a couple of drives connected then they are
detected okay, so you seem to be left with one of two possibilities - either
an IDE problem or a power problem.
It might be that your PSU itn't quite managing to supply enough power for
all the drives. Try setting all detection the the BIOS to 'auto' and then
just try one or two drives at a time - in various combinations. Experiment.
If you can isolate the problem to one device then so much the better, or you
might find it is the NUMBER of devices causing the problem. Watch out for
the master/slave settings as you swap drives around and treat the IDE cables
and connectors gently. Try a different IDE cable as well - just in case.
The other thing you might like to try doing is to see if your BIOS has an
option to delay the IDE detection for a few seconds so it can wait while all
the devices 'come up' and report back. I've found this works on some
problematic systems with a full complement of drives. Also, if you are
running the IDE busses faster than ATA-33, or 'auto', try setting them down
to 33 while you get things working for starters. You can always fine-tune
for performance once everything works.
No need to worry about booting to op systems or formatting drives while you
do this - you're trying to get the BIOS to recognise the drives. First
things first.
Kevin.
 
I am not surprised you're having problems given you just installed a
Maxtor. From time to time, some of them don't work properly on certain
motherboards/configs. Maxtors tend to have crappy inconsistent
electronics/firmware. My experiences and many others'. Try another drive.
 
I am not surprised you're having problems given you just installed a
Maxtor. From time to time, some of them don't work properly on certain
motherboards/configs. Maxtors tend to have crappy inconsistent
electronics/firmware. My experiences and many others'. Try another drive.
Click to expand...

Nonsense
They're no more or less compatible that any other brand.
 
"Nonsense", how do you know that? I have seen more people having
problems with Maxtors not being detected or downright not working. In
most cases changing to a different drive or even the same drive, but
different production run solved the problem. I have had my own problems.
One drive would blue screen in a Windows 9x environment after writing.
Yet another system, being part for part identical worked properly.
Yes I tried the drive in a third, different system, same problem.
Another drive would not be detected.
 
So lots of people have installed XP with out problems. And lots have
downloaded off the Internet with out catching a single virus. What's
your point?
 
So lots of people have installed XP with out problems. And lots have
downloaded off the Internet with out catching a single virus. What's
your point?
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.... and some people have a problem and blame the hardware instead of a
damaged cable or jumper misconfiguration, bios setting, user error,
insufficient power supply or (whatever).

If you have a specific instance to cite please do. In general there is no
compatibility problem. If you know of a pariticular combination that
won't work that would be so rare that it's useful to know exactly what
that combination is, not a vague overgeneralization that's more false than
true.
 
"Nonsense", how do you know that? I have seen more people having
problems with Maxtors not being detected or downright not working. In
most cases changing to a different drive or even the same drive, but
different production run solved the problem. I have had my own problems.
One drive would blue screen in a Windows 9x environment after writing.
Yet another system, being part for part identical worked properly.
Yes I tried the drive in a third, different system, same problem.
Another drive would not be detected.
Click to expand...

Please cite specific examples.

I know it because there is too much contradictory information, unless
you're using some rare and inadquate system configuration.
 
mr potatohead <"mr said:
So lots of people have installed XP with out problems. And lots have
downloaded off the Internet with out catching a single virus. What's
your point?
Click to expand...
Point? About 180 degrees opposite to yours. :)

Who knows, you may well be correct. But to just slate Maxtor drives as
being 'known' to have problems, as if the whole world and his friend
have experience of this, just didn't seem fair. Certainly it has not
been MY experience.
 
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