M
measekite
Frank said:
POOR BABY. ARE YOU PISSED ON (OFF :-D ) DO YOU NEED A DIAPER CHANGE?
POOR BABY. ARE YOU PISSED ON (OFF :-D ) DO YOU NEED A DIAPER CHANGE?
F
Frank
measekite said:
hehehe...got'cha!
Right to abuse of your ISP.
Sucker. :-D
Frank
B
Burt
measekite said:
The only "experience" Measekite had with Alotofthings was when he tried to
give them some advice on how to run their business and he didn't like their
response. This statement would be like Measekite telling you he had a poor
experience with a woman when the "experience" was that she told him to get
lost when he tried to proposition her. The implication of his statement
about his experience with Alotofthings is that he did business with them or
used their product and found either their service or product poor. Neither
is true. Simply an attempt to defame them or their product.
Measekite has never done business with this firm either. He persists in
paraphrasing their business name in a defamatory manner. He hasln't read
their web site accurately, or he is deliberately lying. The cartridges I
mentioned are the BCI-6 CRU carts which are listed on their website today at
$2.29. I have never used these carts, but the vendor tells me that they
are filled with Formulabs inks, the ink that Measekite claims he would use
if they would put the mfgr name on the box and his print load was higher.
Ron Cohen and Teliesyn have used Formulabs inks in their canon printers for
several years with no problems.
I did not recommend this firm. I only stated that they told me their carts
had formulabs ink in them. The moderator of the Nifty stuff forum has
purchased carts from them and is now testing them.
This post is the "poster child" for Measekite in attempting to draw a causal
relationship between non-OEM inks and head damage. It is somewhat confusing
in that we don't know if the poster has used OEM or aftermaket inks, what
brand he might have used, or whether his reference to "I hardly ever use it"
means that he hardly uses the printer, in which case that is the prodominant
cause of head clogs, or if he hardly uses aftermarket inks. This post was
thoroughly discussed in a previous thread and no conclusion could be drawn
because no additional information was provided.
thanx alot
That is true. You can have problems with ink bought at one vendor so you
buy from another vendor thinking you are makeing a change because the
Label is a different name. You than have the same problem. What really
happened is that you bought the same ink mfg and formulated from the same
place sold under different labels. This practice makes thing difficult to
track. Making things worse is you can make 2 purchases from the same
place a few months apart and get inks made by different sources all sold
under the same label with the quality varying a great deal. Or from batch
to batch the quality may be different.
OEM's spend a lot of money to insure quality by placing many quality
control measures in the process. They spend millions developing and
protecting a their brand. That said I do believe they are over priced.
traded with the Church of the AfterMarket led by Pope Burtie.
THEN WHY DO SO MANY POSTER ON THIS NG WHO USE AFTERMARKET INKS HAVE SO
MANY PROBLEMS. MANY MORE PROBLEMS THAN OEM USERS.
NIFTY AND SLADES SITE HAVE SOME LINKAGE. SLADE DOES HAVE SOME INTERESTING
STUFF BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THESE PLACES CATER TO AFTERMARKET
HOBBYISTS.
And you will get the same answers as here because here you have Burt and
their you have fotofreek. The same thing using two names just like the
AfterMarket ink can be the same thing using multiple Labels.
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill
my
own cartridges.
[...]
Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth.
Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?
'Ta muchly.
M
measekite
Burt said:
You are a real shmuck with ears. Even Costco has a suggestion box and
want to hear from their customers so they can improve on what they are
doing. This is a professional approach.
I never said I did business with alotofcrap.
The do not disclose on their website that I can see what they refill the
carts they are selling. If they do provide me with the link. They do
say they sell Sensinent inks in bulk. I have heard Sensinent is about
the only company that formulates decent ink but I have only hear that
from a few members of the AfterMarket Church; two of those members are
singled out by you below.
Measekite has never done business with this firm either. He persists in
paraphrasing their business name in a defamatory manner. He hasln't read
their web site accurately, or he is deliberately lying. The cartridges I
mentioned are the BCI-6 CRU carts which are listed on their website today at
$2.29. I have never used these carts, but the vendor tells me that they
are filled with Formulabs inks, the ink that Measekite claims he would use
if they would put the mfgr name on the box and his print load was higher.
Ron Cohen and Teliesyn have used Formulabs inks in their canon printers for
several years with no problems.
I did not recommend this firm. I only stated that they told me their carts
had formulabs ink in them. The moderator of the Nifty stuff forum has
purchased carts from them and is now testing them.
This post is the "poster child" for Measekite in attempting to draw a causal
relationship between non-OEM inks and head damage. It is somewhat confusing
in that we don't know if the poster has used OEM or aftermaket inks, what
brand he might have used, or whether his reference to "I hardly ever use it"
means that he hardly uses the printer, in which case that is the prodominant
cause of head clogs, or if he hardly uses aftermarket inks. This post was
thoroughly discussed in a previous thread and no conclusion could be drawn
because no additional information was provided.
thanx alot
That is true. You can have problems with ink bought at one vendor so you
buy from another vendor thinking you are makeing a change because the
Label is a different name. You than have the same problem. What really
happened is that you bought the same ink mfg and formulated from the same
place sold under different labels. This practice makes thing difficult to
track. Making things worse is you can make 2 purchases from the same
place a few months apart and get inks made by different sources all sold
under the same label with the quality varying a great deal. Or from batch
to batch the quality may be different.
OEM's spend a lot of money to insure quality by placing many quality
control measures in the process. They spend millions developing and
protecting a their brand. That said I do believe they are over priced.
traded with the Church of the AfterMarket led by Pope Burtie.
THEN WHY DO SO MANY POSTER ON THIS NG WHO USE AFTERMARKET INKS HAVE SO
MANY PROBLEMS. MANY MORE PROBLEMS THAN OEM USERS.
NIFTY AND SLADES SITE HAVE SOME LINKAGE. SLADE DOES HAVE SOME INTERESTING
STUFF BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THESE PLACES CATER TO AFTERMARKET
HOBBYISTS.
And you will get the same answers as here because here you have Burt and
their you have fotofreek. The same thing using two names just like the
AfterMarket ink can be the same thing using multiple Labels.
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill
my
own cartridges.
[...]
Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth.
Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?
'Ta muchly.
F
Frank
measekite wrote:
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Just what does that drivel you just posted mean?
1) you're not stupid, but just a little slow
2) you're slow and really stupid
3) you can't remember what you just posted
4) you can't remember or even understand what you've just tried to read
5) you took the wrong meds
6) you didn't take your meds
7) all of the above
Now try and learn how to "snip".
Try and learn from others how to respond to others posting by not
quoting each and every single word. I can tell that you're quite easily
confused by everything that appears on your little monitor, but try and
concentrate. I know that can be quite difficult for a person of your
aptitude.
Just try and always remember, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds
an acorn.
Have a nice day.
Frank
big snip
<------------------------------->
Just what does that drivel you just posted mean?
1) you're not stupid, but just a little slow
2) you're slow and really stupid
3) you can't remember what you just posted
4) you can't remember or even understand what you've just tried to read
5) you took the wrong meds
6) you didn't take your meds
7) all of the above
Now try and learn how to "snip".
Try and learn from others how to respond to others posting by not
quoting each and every single word. I can tell that you're quite easily
confused by everything that appears on your little monitor, but try and
concentrate. I know that can be quite difficult for a person of your
aptitude.
Just try and always remember, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds
an acorn.
Have a nice day.
Frank
A
Arthur Entlich
measekite wrote:
That is a fair comment.
You are correct that the 3rd party ink business has all kinds in it,
including some shady characters who are fly by night (I wonder if that
means they have red eyes)...
However, to be balanced and fairness, you should also mention that some
3rd party companies are, regardless if they indicate the brand of ink
they package or sell or not, long time reliable companies which
accommodate their clients and warrant their inks, and even in some
cases, the printers that use them should an ink related problem occur.
And that, some of these also can provide ink characteristics not
available in OEM inks, or substantial savings.
You have attempted to make this issue into a black and white one, but it
is all about colors and shades of gray. Your warnings don't necessary
help people who are going to buy 3rd party inks for the savings anyway,
or because they wish to use ink types that are not sold for the printer
by the OEM.
People can decide for themselves if they wish to take the gamble on
third party inks for the savings or benefits. Some have poor or
variable color balance, some have poor drying characteristics, and some
fade more rapidly. Most buyers are mainly interested in having a sense
of which companies provide good service, product and support.
This war between the OEM versus 3rd party inks is valueless as it is.
There are no stats to support either side fairly, because they are
confounded by the many brands of inks and design of inkjet printers out
there.
This forum has ended up being taken up by a lot of not that valuable
battles between the two factions each trying to outdo the other, and
then a lot of truly childish name calling that doesn't help the person
who is asking some very legitimate questions "is there a problem with
buying 3rd party inks, or who can I buy them from and get good service
and product and save money?"
The continual bickering doesn't help them, and just makes people turn
away from this forum.
It's also unfair for you to denigrate the name or reputation of a 3rd
party ink vendor just because you happen to not like their website or
how you were personally treated by them, when you asked questions they
were unable or unwilling to answer. When others have legitimate
business dealings with a company, that being they bought product,
received it and used it, that trumps your opinion biassed upon how nice
the website was or how you were treated on the phone, when you likely
were somewhat bombastic toward them, based upon the hostility you have
shown here about the subject.
You certainly have every right to express you POV regarding your
experience with OEM inks. You can speak about the advantages you find
with them, and the peace of mind they supply you, but you cannot speak
about 3rd party inks when you have no personal experience with them.
And people who call you on that don't deserve to be verbally assaulted.
OEM inks work for you because the amount of ink usage over time will
make little difference in your investment overall, and may protect your
printer, if nothing else, you can tell the manufacturer should your
printer ever require servicing, that you used excessively OEM inks.
I do agree that people who use 3rd party inks can't ignore that those
may be the cause or the partial cause to premature failure of some parts
of the printer, or unexpected clogging, and they should not be quite so
quick to blame the manufacturer of the printer. However, clearly, OEM
inks can cause failures in some printers as well, simply due to heads
drying out, or just use over time.
In the end, both schools are correct answers, but for different people
with differing printing habits, use, willing ness to take chances and
financial positions. That's nothing to fight over, and even more
importantly, that's not something that fighting over will resolve into
anything useful.
Art
measekite wrote:
That is a fair comment.
You are correct that the 3rd party ink business has all kinds in it,
including some shady characters who are fly by night (I wonder if that
means they have red eyes)...
However, to be balanced and fairness, you should also mention that some
3rd party companies are, regardless if they indicate the brand of ink
they package or sell or not, long time reliable companies which
accommodate their clients and warrant their inks, and even in some
cases, the printers that use them should an ink related problem occur.
And that, some of these also can provide ink characteristics not
available in OEM inks, or substantial savings.
You have attempted to make this issue into a black and white one, but it
is all about colors and shades of gray. Your warnings don't necessary
help people who are going to buy 3rd party inks for the savings anyway,
or because they wish to use ink types that are not sold for the printer
by the OEM.
People can decide for themselves if they wish to take the gamble on
third party inks for the savings or benefits. Some have poor or
variable color balance, some have poor drying characteristics, and some
fade more rapidly. Most buyers are mainly interested in having a sense
of which companies provide good service, product and support.
This war between the OEM versus 3rd party inks is valueless as it is.
There are no stats to support either side fairly, because they are
confounded by the many brands of inks and design of inkjet printers out
there.
This forum has ended up being taken up by a lot of not that valuable
battles between the two factions each trying to outdo the other, and
then a lot of truly childish name calling that doesn't help the person
who is asking some very legitimate questions "is there a problem with
buying 3rd party inks, or who can I buy them from and get good service
and product and save money?"
The continual bickering doesn't help them, and just makes people turn
away from this forum.
It's also unfair for you to denigrate the name or reputation of a 3rd
party ink vendor just because you happen to not like their website or
how you were personally treated by them, when you asked questions they
were unable or unwilling to answer. When others have legitimate
business dealings with a company, that being they bought product,
received it and used it, that trumps your opinion biassed upon how nice
the website was or how you were treated on the phone, when you likely
were somewhat bombastic toward them, based upon the hostility you have
shown here about the subject.
You certainly have every right to express you POV regarding your
experience with OEM inks. You can speak about the advantages you find
with them, and the peace of mind they supply you, but you cannot speak
about 3rd party inks when you have no personal experience with them.
And people who call you on that don't deserve to be verbally assaulted.
OEM inks work for you because the amount of ink usage over time will
make little difference in your investment overall, and may protect your
printer, if nothing else, you can tell the manufacturer should your
printer ever require servicing, that you used excessively OEM inks.
I do agree that people who use 3rd party inks can't ignore that those
may be the cause or the partial cause to premature failure of some parts
of the printer, or unexpected clogging, and they should not be quite so
quick to blame the manufacturer of the printer. However, clearly, OEM
inks can cause failures in some printers as well, simply due to heads
drying out, or just use over time.
In the end, both schools are correct answers, but for different people
with differing printing habits, use, willing ness to take chances and
financial positions. That's nothing to fight over, and even more
importantly, that's not something that fighting over will resolve into
anything useful.
Art
measekite wrote:
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M
measekite
Frank said:big snip
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Just what does that drivel I just posted mean?
1) I am stupid, and just a little slow
2) I am slow and really stupid
3) you can't remember what you just posted
4) I can't remember or even understand what I've just tried to read
5) I took the wrong meds
6) Ididn't take my meds
7) all of the above
Have a nice day.
Me
M
measekite
Arthur said:
Without being branded, you cannot acertain what you are getting. You
also cannot shop around and get the same thing from your supplier of
choice. The industry sucks.
*gamble on third party inks *
*This is what I have attempted to say*
******
on both sides
I can surely express my opinion. Their website has improved but that is
all. And they still do not tell you what is in their prefilled carts.
And I do not like the fact that WeStink was lurking in this NG under the
guise of helping people when he finally admitted that his main purpose
was to promote business.
That does not change the fact that they did not act in a professional
way that a future (maybe) customer might expect.
You do not need personal experience to state as follows:
The majority of ink vendors are nothing more than re-LABELers of noname
UNBRANDED ink who will not tell you who mfg/formulated the ink.
As you stated earlier there are a lot of shady vendors selling junk that
can harm you printer.
Becuase of the combination of the above two statements a user can have a
bad problem with one Label of ink and go to another vendor, buy a
different label and wind up with the same problems because it is the
same ink. This is a major issue in this industry.
Promoters of AfterMarket ink should at least admit that OEM inks may be
a better choice if your printload is not high.
They should admit that if a user decides to use AfterMarket inks he may
be taking a risk.
They shold admit that it is easier popping in a cartridge than going
through the bother of refilling a cart. And that the difference between
refilling and a 3rd party cart may be as low as $2.00 a cart. Not that
big a deal unless your printload is very very high.
They should also admit that the Printer mfg designed the Printer, Ink,
and Paper to work best with each other.
I assume that there may be one or two AfterMarket inks out there that
may be OK. And I assume that some readers on this NG has some luck with
certain inks. In Burt's case he claims that he had luck with MIS inks
in his i960 but I read a post (I cannot remember where) that someone
tried it in their PIXMA and got a clogged head. Now the printhead is
supposed to be the same in the i and IP series but we do know that the
drivers are different and there are other differences. Why this
happened I do not know. Maybe the person did not print as much and OEM
might work better in that case.
All I can say is I have not problems after 9 months. And I do know that
statistically that does not amount to a test.
And neither do I
That is true
The rest of the NG should not deny that either.
I can go with that. But you guys thing that AfterMarket ink is the gospel.
B
Burt
Message to Measekite - I don't have any gospel to preach. Like Art, I don't
like your unfair characterization of ink vendors with derogatory names you
use to dis them. Childish at best, and libelous in fact. I have no vested
interest in Weink, but your "policing action" against them as purported
spammers is unnecessary. Let each participant judge form himself/herself if
Weink has been a spammer or helpful. Your defamatory renaming of
Alotofthings and your view of their business practices flies in the face of
others that have reported good personal experience dealing with them and
using their products.
As to the value and/or risk of using non-OEM inks, I would be satisfied to
just state my own experience with my printers and inks and have you do the
same. If you have no experience with these firms it would be appropriate
and professional on your part to desist from name calling and put downs
about them. If people have problems with their printers due to use of any
ink, OEM or non-OEM, they will report it to the NG and we can all learn from
their experience. Your continued harrangue has inspired and continues to
inspire attacks on your credibility because you are speaking without the
benefit of real experience in this area.
I feel that you maintain your derogatory tone when you say that I have been
"lucky" using MIS inks. I did what you purport to do when anticipating a
purchase. I researched the various vendors and their products, found the
best information on Neil Slade's site and followed links from his and other
sites, and then tried the product. If I would have seen poor color matching
or had head clogs I would have dumped the product, cleaned my print head,
and gone to Costco for OEM ink. If I had seen undue fading in the last nine
or ten months from these prints I would have done the same. I wasn't lucky -
I was careful. It was a studied purchase. Just like your purchase of your
printer or your Acura. I could either say that you got "lucky" that they
both worked out, or I could acknowledge that you made a studied, careful
decision to buy what was purported to be a good product and it proved to be
after purchase. That is not to say that your printer can't die one day
after the waranty expires or that you would have some major problem with and
otherwise fine car under the same circumstances. That is the chance we all
take and the risks we all have with our purchases, both large and small.
Please stop your rants, taunts, and retorts filled with foul language and
you can expect others to follow suit. Continue and I, for one, feel that
it is important to at least give a counter view that there are, in fact,
some good products and decent vendors out there if people want to use them.
I also feel that it is important that people know you speak without the
experience that your posts would imply when you discuss non-OEM inks and
their vendors.
To repeat - let people speak from their own experience, both good and bad,
and let these posts speak for themselves. If you do the same, this NG will
be much more informative and less polluted with the back and forth
accusations and taunts that we have experienced.
like your unfair characterization of ink vendors with derogatory names you
use to dis them. Childish at best, and libelous in fact. I have no vested
interest in Weink, but your "policing action" against them as purported
spammers is unnecessary. Let each participant judge form himself/herself if
Weink has been a spammer or helpful. Your defamatory renaming of
Alotofthings and your view of their business practices flies in the face of
others that have reported good personal experience dealing with them and
using their products.
As to the value and/or risk of using non-OEM inks, I would be satisfied to
just state my own experience with my printers and inks and have you do the
same. If you have no experience with these firms it would be appropriate
and professional on your part to desist from name calling and put downs
about them. If people have problems with their printers due to use of any
ink, OEM or non-OEM, they will report it to the NG and we can all learn from
their experience. Your continued harrangue has inspired and continues to
inspire attacks on your credibility because you are speaking without the
benefit of real experience in this area.
I feel that you maintain your derogatory tone when you say that I have been
"lucky" using MIS inks. I did what you purport to do when anticipating a
purchase. I researched the various vendors and their products, found the
best information on Neil Slade's site and followed links from his and other
sites, and then tried the product. If I would have seen poor color matching
or had head clogs I would have dumped the product, cleaned my print head,
and gone to Costco for OEM ink. If I had seen undue fading in the last nine
or ten months from these prints I would have done the same. I wasn't lucky -
I was careful. It was a studied purchase. Just like your purchase of your
printer or your Acura. I could either say that you got "lucky" that they
both worked out, or I could acknowledge that you made a studied, careful
decision to buy what was purported to be a good product and it proved to be
after purchase. That is not to say that your printer can't die one day
after the waranty expires or that you would have some major problem with and
otherwise fine car under the same circumstances. That is the chance we all
take and the risks we all have with our purchases, both large and small.
Please stop your rants, taunts, and retorts filled with foul language and
you can expect others to follow suit. Continue and I, for one, feel that
it is important to at least give a counter view that there are, in fact,
some good products and decent vendors out there if people want to use them.
I also feel that it is important that people know you speak without the
experience that your posts would imply when you discuss non-OEM inks and
their vendors.
To repeat - let people speak from their own experience, both good and bad,
and let these posts speak for themselves. If you do the same, this NG will
be much more informative and less polluted with the back and forth
accusations and taunts that we have experienced.
M
measekite
Burt said:
You are entitled to your religeous dogma
And WeStink is a spammer.
My opinion and experience pal. To Bad you do not like it.
Tell your self what to say old pious one.
Why I say makes sense. Buy a label have trouble Buy another label from
another source have same trouble. Same mfg and you do not know it.
What a shitty industry.
I really do not care if you have been lucky or not. I read what I read
and stated so. I could care less if you get a clog or if you don;t and
I do not care what kind of ink you use. For all I care you can refill
your carts with tar.
It is almost impossile to research ink because you do not know what is
in the box. And that can vary from the same vendor from month to month.
And if you want to believe what you have been told then you can also
believe Canon,Epson,and HP when they say OEM inks work best in their
printers and 3rd party inks may void the warranty if they are
responsible for damage.
And I have met many many people who had in the Costco line.
Now a BMW
If you can't take the heat old pious one then get out of the kitchen
You recommend unprofessional vendor you do not do business with.
I do not give a shit what you say.
Bullshit old pious one
B
Burt
Well, participants of this NG, reason doesn't move Measekite to be more
fair, civil, and professional. He doesn't get it when we simply ask him to
stop his biased rants and libelous comments. Rudeness and misinformation
are apparently his perpetual, unceasing style. I guess we should be
thankful that we only have to deal with him from the other end of the
internet on this NG and not personally.
fair, civil, and professional. He doesn't get it when we simply ask him to
stop his biased rants and libelous comments. Rudeness and misinformation
are apparently his perpetual, unceasing style. I guess we should be
thankful that we only have to deal with him from the other end of the
internet on this NG and not personally.
F
Frank
measekite said:
Time and time again you keep proving to the entire ng that you are
nothing but a complete funking moron.
Frank
M
measekite
Why don't you just wipe your ass with your loose tongue and shut your
stupid mouth. You are just an unreasonable know it all old fart.
stupid mouth. You are just an unreasonable know it all old fart.
M
measekite
Frank said:
A
Arthur Entlich
Look, we've been through and around and under and over this all before.
It is not a perfect situation, but some of it is not fixable because
of a number of conflicts within the industry. That is what it is.
The next question is, at least on my behalf, how can I best guide a user
who is asking about 3rd party inks? People just don't wake up some
morning and decide they want 3rd party inks. They do so because they do
price comparisons, and they decide the cost differential is great
enough, or the product supplies feature the OEM ink doesn't. So it's
not my place to tell them not to take advantage of 3rd party in vendors.
"Painting" the whole industry with a very broad brush isn't the answer
either, because again, no valuable information is provided.
Several people on this newslist have years of experience with 3rd party
inks of various types and have settled with a number of companies, which
they get consistent good results with. Why not inform people of that
and then allow them to make their own decision from there?
If people were just honest about their personal experience, this
newsgroups could prove very useful for that alone. Yes, production may
change as may manufacture, over time, but that's actually true of all
ink manufacturers or any colorant related company.
Someone stating they have used vendor D as a supplier and have been
buying type X ink, provides some important information. It is no less
or more valuable than you stating that you believe OEM is the safest
and, adds only XX% over 3rd party cartridges, and provides you with the
sense of security the unit will be safe and color accuracy is best
maintained.
If each person relates truthful experiences from their knowledge, then
each reader will be further ahead in deciding what is their best option,
for them, for their printer, for their wallet....
I have read just about every single posting in this group for several
months now, and your memory is quite selectively flawed. I am not
trying to start another battle here, but clearly the "aftermarket"
responses came only after you made some outrageous and incorrect and
unyielding assertions about 3rd party inks and ink vendors. The record
is actually quite clear about that, so let's start with that as an
honest first step.
Truth be it, I have been on both sides of this fence. I only used OEM
inks for my printers for several years, before finally, due to Epson's
chip technology, to switch to 3rd party, on principle. I suppose I was
lucky, because I bought a bunch of clearance refill inks locally for the
printer models I had, and then a slew of cartridges via the internet. I
bought enough such that I still have quite a few from each for sometime
to come, and so far, they have served me well, in both color rendition
and fade resistance and lack of need to clean the heads.
I have nothing to personally gain or lose from 3rd party sales. I only
want to get this information out there for those who need to know their
options.
I suspect if you stop pointing fingers unfairly, and stop the hostile
and negative banter they will also stop in the other direction,
You should give it a try.
Art
It is not a perfect situation, but some of it is not fixable because
of a number of conflicts within the industry. That is what it is.
The next question is, at least on my behalf, how can I best guide a user
who is asking about 3rd party inks? People just don't wake up some
morning and decide they want 3rd party inks. They do so because they do
price comparisons, and they decide the cost differential is great
enough, or the product supplies feature the OEM ink doesn't. So it's
not my place to tell them not to take advantage of 3rd party in vendors.
"Painting" the whole industry with a very broad brush isn't the answer
either, because again, no valuable information is provided.
Several people on this newslist have years of experience with 3rd party
inks of various types and have settled with a number of companies, which
they get consistent good results with. Why not inform people of that
and then allow them to make their own decision from there?
If people were just honest about their personal experience, this
newsgroups could prove very useful for that alone. Yes, production may
change as may manufacture, over time, but that's actually true of all
ink manufacturers or any colorant related company.
Someone stating they have used vendor D as a supplier and have been
buying type X ink, provides some important information. It is no less
or more valuable than you stating that you believe OEM is the safest
and, adds only XX% over 3rd party cartridges, and provides you with the
sense of security the unit will be safe and color accuracy is best
maintained.
If each person relates truthful experiences from their knowledge, then
each reader will be further ahead in deciding what is their best option,
for them, for their printer, for their wallet....
I have read just about every single posting in this group for several
months now, and your memory is quite selectively flawed. I am not
trying to start another battle here, but clearly the "aftermarket"
responses came only after you made some outrageous and incorrect and
unyielding assertions about 3rd party inks and ink vendors. The record
is actually quite clear about that, so let's start with that as an
honest first step.
Truth be it, I have been on both sides of this fence. I only used OEM
inks for my printers for several years, before finally, due to Epson's
chip technology, to switch to 3rd party, on principle. I suppose I was
lucky, because I bought a bunch of clearance refill inks locally for the
printer models I had, and then a slew of cartridges via the internet. I
bought enough such that I still have quite a few from each for sometime
to come, and so far, they have served me well, in both color rendition
and fade resistance and lack of need to clean the heads.
I have nothing to personally gain or lose from 3rd party sales. I only
want to get this information out there for those who need to know their
options.
I suspect if you stop pointing fingers unfairly, and stop the hostile
and negative banter they will also stop in the other direction,
You should give it a try.
Art
A
Arthur Entlich
Can you not control yourself at all?
I don't get it.
Your behavior reminds me of that coyote cartoon character, who always
has things blow up in his face in his pursuit of the road runner, but he
just can't stop himself.
There is a big anvil falling from the sky and about to land on your
head. Both Burt and I have been trying to warn you to get out of its
way, but you instead choose to make sure you're directly below it.
All I can say is don't blame us when it finally hits and for the damage
it ends up doing.
Art
I don't get it.
Your behavior reminds me of that coyote cartoon character, who always
has things blow up in his face in his pursuit of the road runner, but he
just can't stop himself.
There is a big anvil falling from the sky and about to land on your
head. Both Burt and I have been trying to warn you to get out of its
way, but you instead choose to make sure you're directly below it.
All I can say is don't blame us when it finally hits and for the damage
it ends up doing.
Art