i9900 and Pixma8500 - opinions please

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Wolf Kirchmeir

The vendors' websites aren't very helpful - they all reprint Canon's
bumf. My question comes down to this:

Is the Pixma 8500 basically a smaller version of the i9900? They both
have 8 tanks, both are 4800x2400 dpi, etc. Main difference sesm to be
that i9900 can print 13'x19' images.

Any information and reports of experience with these printer gratefully
received. Use this forum, please.

Thanks in advance,
 
Wolf said:
The vendors' websites aren't very helpful - they all reprint Canon's
bumf. My question comes down to this:

Is the Pixma 8500 basically a smaller version of the i9900?


Sort of. They have the same basic print engine. The speed is close but
not identical.

The i9900 is not a PIXMA IP model. It is an i Series which have been
discontinued except for this wide format printer. The i9900 is the best
value in a wide format print bar none.

The IP8500, like all of the PIXMA models, has twin paper feeds and can
print full duplex. It is a great printer. I wish that Canon updates
the i9900 to a PIXMA model. I also would like to see it do 16x20
borderless and have Canon make Photo Paper Pro in that size.
 
In reality: many of the Pixma printers use the same inks as i9x printers.
Therefore they are simply repackaging of the old technology as the color
gamut of the ink does not change.

Canon printers work with Canon printer drivers and contain profiles only for
Canon papers: essentially three surface types. The color profiles, using
Canon color management protocols do not provide even mediocre color matching
to one's calibrated monitor in a color managed environment: my disappointing
personal experience leads me to this conclusion.

I do not think anyone serious about color printing should buy a Canon
printer unless they are prepared to generate individual printer/paper
profiles for Canon and non-Canon papers. I do not think the problem is in
the printers but in the Canon software. The more Canon equipment I use the
more amazed I am at how absolutely lousy Canon operating software is for
most of their equipment. It is no surprise that the new D20 is already on
its second or third firmware upgrade: these are not improvements, they are
bug fixes.
 
birdman said:
In reality: many of the Pixma printers use the same inks as i9x printers.
Therefore they are simply repackaging of the old technology as the color
gamut of the ink does not change.

Only in so far as the ink. The speed of the printer is different. The
driver, having a large part of the responsibility in producing the
result, is different as well as the package and features. It is a
definate improvement.
Canon printers work with Canon printer drivers and contain profiles only for
Canon papers: essentially three surface types.

The Photo Paper Pro works great with Costco Kirkland Glossy Paper and
Epson matte also works great with the Canon matte setting.
The color profiles, using
Canon color management protocols do not provide even mediocre color matching
to one's calibrated monitor in a color managed environment: my disappointing
personal experience leads me to this conclusion.

I do not think anyone serious about color printing should buy a Canon
printer unless they are prepared to generate individual printer/paper
profiles for Canon and non-Canon papers.

Many of the 1st rate paper companies have profiles for all the printers
that their paper is recommended for.
I do not think the problem is in
the printers but in the Canon software. The more Canon equipment I use the
more amazed I am at how absolutely lousy Canon operating software is for
most of their equipment. It is no surprise that the new D20 is already on
its second or third firmware upgrade: these are not improvements, they are
bug fixes.

That is the nature of software. Epson scanner software (outsourced of
course) is also shitty.
 
birdman said:
In reality: many of the Pixma printers use the same inks as i9x
printers. Therefore they are simply repackaging of the old technology
as the color gamut of the ink does not change.

Canon printers work with Canon printer drivers and contain profiles
only for Canon papers: essentially three surface types. The color
profiles, using Canon color management protocols do not provide even
mediocre color matching to one's calibrated monitor in a color
managed environment: my disappointing personal experience leads me to
this conclusion.
I do not think anyone serious about color printing should buy a Canon
printer unless they are prepared to generate individual printer/paper
profiles for Canon and non-Canon papers.

I use quite happily Canon Photo paper pro and plus glossy with default
settings and get great results.
Each printer has it's default and preffered papers and thus built-in
profiles, if not you can always get them on the web (as measekite said). If
not, don't use such shitty paper.
But, i must agree that Canon is very louzy regarding updating it's printer
software. Correct me if i'm wrong, but CDLabelPrint is still in phase 1.0.2.
A bit better is easy photo print, while printer driver is in 1.80 for ages,
so either is so great that requires no improvement, or... But, to be honest,
i see nothing wrong in this driver, so why changing it?
Also i have Canon S1 IS camera from their first firmware, it did have low
light focusing problems, but it way solved with second firmware very fast,
while third (last) was just minor improvement for some stuff (regarding
flash...) and that was it. Some companies have even over 10 firmwares, so 3
is just OK. Thank god it'spossible to do this....imagine having analog
camera with such focusing problem...soluton is either service or buying a
new one...
 
G'day Wolf. I have the canon pixma 8500 printer and it prints superb photo
prints, in fact better than many photo labs. It prints up to A4 size. The
print head on the pixma 8500 is the same that is used in the i9900. Prior to
purchasing my pixma 8500 I had a canon 6 cartridge S900. It would be an
insult to compare the results between the printers. I am in to photography
big time, and the pixma has already saved me a small fortune in printing
photos from 4" x 6" up to many A4 size prints. All of my daughter's recent
wedding photos, taken by various relatives and friends were printed on my
pixma 8500 and they were absolutely superb in quality.

Printing word documents, in draft quality, mode on the pixma 8500 are
lightning fast.

Go for the pixma 8500 you will not regret purchasing it.

Let me know if you have anymore questions etc.

Cheers

Ron from Downunder

P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
 
wazzad said:
G'day Wolf. I have the canon pixma 8500 printer and it prints superb photo
prints, in fact better than many photo labs. It prints up to A4 size. The
print head on the pixma 8500 is the same that is used in the i9900. Prior to
purchasing my pixma 8500 I had a canon 6 cartridge S900. It would be an
insult to compare the results between the printers. I am in to photography
big time, and the pixma has already saved me a small fortune in printing
photos from 4" x 6" up to many A4 size prints. All of my daughter's recent
wedding photos, taken by various relatives and friends were printed on my
pixma 8500 and they were absolutely superb in quality.

Printing word documents, in draft quality, mode on the pixma 8500 are
lightning fast.

Go for the pixma 8500 you will not regret purchasing it.

Let me know if you have anymore questions etc.

Cheers

Ron from Downunder

*P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks,* as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
 
wazzad said:
Ron from Downunder

P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.

Let me speak from the stand point of my personal user experience about
3rd party inks and the Canon i9900. After the initial use of the
supplied OEM carts, I now use ONLY 3rd party carts in my i9900 and have
never had any problems of head clogging or color difference as compared
to the OEM inks.
Frank
 
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.
 
Wolf said:
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks,

THE MAJORITY ARE CRAP. AND THEN YOU CANNOT TELL WHAT YOU ARE GETTING
FROM THE HAWKERS. YOU MAY HAVE 4 OR 5 HAWKERS SELLING THE SAME THING
USING DIFFERENT LABELS.
as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to
refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.
 
Wolf said:
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.

Sure...here's one that has both OEM carts, MIS filled carts and empty
carts that you can refill with MIS ink. If you have an Epson and do a
lot of printing you can go with one of their CFS packages.

www.inksupply.com

Frank
 
Frank said:
Wolf said:
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a
supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to
refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.


Sure...here's one that has both OEM carts, MIS filled carts and empty
carts that you can refill with MIS ink.


MIS DOES *****NOT***** MANUFACTURER OR FORMULATE INK. THEY SELL
RELABELED INK. THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO MAKES THIS INK EVEN AFTER A
REQUEST.

I am not saying it is no good. I am saying you do not know what you are
getting. I have read posts that the ink works fine in a Canin i960 and
for some reason clogged printers in the PIXMA line. I do not know why.
This is what I read a few weeks ago. I am not sure if I read it on this
NG, nifty stuff or somewhere else.

The word is CAVEAT EMPTOR in this industry.
 
measekite said:
MIS DOES *****NOT***** MANUFACTURER OR FORMULATE INK. THEY SELL
RELABELED INK. THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO MAKES THIS INK EVEN AFTER A
REQUEST.

I am not saying it is no good. I am saying you do not know what you are
getting. I have read posts that the ink works fine in a Canin i960 and
for some reason clogged printers in the PIXMA line. I do not know why.
This is what I read a few weeks ago. I am not sure if I read it on this
NG, nifty stuff or somewhere else.

The word is CAVEAT EMPTOR in this industry.

Hahaha…well, you piece of shit moron, maybe you would like to tell us
all just how much ink you've actually used from MIS. How many orders
have you placed?
Care to give us all an estimate of that amount?
None you say? Heaven forbid, not one ****ing drop! You mean zero
amounts, nada, nothing at all. Is that correct dick head? You say you
have never, ever, used anything but overpriced OEM ink, is that correct
big mouth?
Oh my gosh!
So tell us, why should the OP give a shit about your ****ing bullshit
lying opinion? Just like you, it's worthless isn't it? You have no real
user experience at all, do you? Admit it.
So why would anyone, in their right mind, in this ng ever care about
anything you post about the use of 3rd party inks seeing as how you have
never, ever, personally used any of them? That would make them idiots
too wouldn't it?
Thank goodness you're the only one stupid enough to believe your own
bullshit.

The word is CAVEAT EMPTOR about the deceitful lies and misinformation
the poster who uses the name mesaekite, post in this ng about 3rd party
inks.
Don't believe him as he simply doesn't have any experience with them.
None.
It's that simple people.
Frank
 
I don't know about your particular printer, but I use MIS inks to refill OEM
cartridges and MIS empty cartridges for my Canon i960. Great color match and
no problems so far with almost a year of use. A few posters on this
newsgroup uses Formulabs inks from Alotofthings and have found this vendor
to be very reliable and their inks excellent for his Canon printers. Look up
all the posts you can find from Ron Cohen for this information. Also check
out Taliesyn's posts as he uses aftermarket inks successfully. I have read
that they won't ship to Canada, but I don't know if they would ship to you
in OZ. You can email them to check it out. Two other vendors that have
told me they use Formulabs inks in their prefilled carts are Wiredbeans (on
ebay) and Weink (their CRU carts.) You can email them to verify that the
carts you may want to buy are filled with Formulabs inks. Measekite, the
person who responded to you, has never done business with these firms, nor
has he used aftermarket inks. He mistrusts the vendors and their products
and has an especial dislike for Alotofthings. Every time aftermarket inks
are mentioned he responds with his concerns that the products are not
manufactured by the firms selling them and they are relabeled so you don't
know what is in them. Unfortuantely, his responses are filled with
invective about the companies and usually filled with obscenities, both of
which tend to make his point of view appear less than valid. Others on this
NG have purchased from them for several years and found them to be reliable
and their products good.

Check out Neil Slade's web site at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html and check out the forum at
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ . Both are almost entirely about Canon
printers, aftermarket inks, papers, and tips on maintaining your printer.
You can sign on to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask about inks available for
your printer in OZ as there may be people from OZ participating. You will
also see what products have given people problems.

Wolf Kirchmeir said:
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.
 
Burt said:
I don't know about your particular printer, but I use MIS inks to refill
OEM cartridges and MIS empty cartridges for my Canon i960. Great color
match and no problems so far with almost a year of use. A few posters on
this newsgroup uses Formulabs inks from Alotofthings and have found this
vendor to be very reliable and their inks excellent for his Canon printers.
Look up all the posts you can find from Ron Cohen for this information.
Also check out Taliesyn's posts as he uses aftermarket inks successfully.
I have read that they won't ship to Canada, but I don't know if they would
ship to you in OZ. You can email them to check it out. Two other vendors
that have told me they use Formulabs inks in their prefilled carts are
Wiredbeans (on ebay) and Weink (their CRU carts.) You can email them to
verify that the carts you may want to buy are filled with Formulabs inks.
Measekite, the person who responded to you, has never done business with
these firms, nor has he used aftermarket inks. He mistrusts the vendors
and their products and has an especial dislike for Alotofthings. Every
time aftermarket inks are mentioned he responds with his concerns that the
products are not manufactured by the firms selling them and they are
relabeled so you don't know what is in them. Unfortuantely, his responses
are filled with invective about the companies and usually filled with
obscenities, both of which tend to make his point of view appear less than
valid. Others on this NG have purchased from them for several years and
found them to be reliable and their products good.

Check out Neil Slade's web site at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html and check out the forum
at
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ . Both are almost entirely about Canon
printers, aftermarket inks, papers, and tips on maintaining your printer.
You can sign on to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask about inks available for
your printer in OZ as there may be people from OZ participating. You will
also see what products have given people problems.

Wolf Kirchmeir said:
wazzad wrote:
[...]
P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill
my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.
Hi Group,

I have two printers, a Canon Pixma 4000 and a Canon i560 and I am using
non-oem inks purchased from www.cartridgedepot.com.au/ whose cartridges
contain Formulabs ink in, I believe, Chinese cartridges with Swiss foam
inserts. Note: I am not employed by Cartridgedepot. I am using Ilford
Galerie Smooth Gloss and Smooth Pearl papers exclusively and I get perfect
results every time. I have not noticed any fading or deterioration of any
kind using these two product, I have never had a clog or any other problem
caused by using these products. Having said that it is also fair to say that
I use both printers on a daily basis and if they are not used daily I run a
colour chart at least once a week. I know that Cartridgedepot freight
quantities to Canada.
Feel free to consider the above or discard as you see fit because I am not
pushing anyone's barrow.

Ben
 
Frank said:
Hahaha…I am a know it all piece of shit moron.
Care to give us all an estimate of that amount?
I am Frank; one ****ing drop! You mean zero amounts, nada, nothing at
all. Frank is a dick head? You say you have never, ever, used anything
but overpriced OEM ink, is that correct big mouth?
Oh my gosh!
snip

The word is CAVEAT EMPTOR about the deceitful lies and misinformation
the poster who uses the name Frank, post in this ng about 3rd party inks.
Don't believe him as he simply doesn't have any experience with them.
None.
It's that simple people.
Frank
 
measekite wrote:

You stupid little shit head. You don't think everyone in this ng can
plainly see that you're a real ****ing sicko and that you keep changing
others postings.
How ****ing original. Not!
Craw back into that slim hole you keep coming out of and eat some more
donuts.
Looser.
Frank
 
Burt said:
I don't know about your particular printer, but I use MIS inks to refill OEM
cartridges and MIS empty cartridges for my Canon i960.

I read a report from some poster in one of the news venues that while
some luck is had using MIS inks in a Canon i960 there have been clogging
issues with the IP Pixma series of printers. I do not know the accuracy
of that statement. It might have been just one persons experience just
like this writer is one person's experience.
Great color match and
no problems so far with almost a year of use. A few posters on this
newsgroup uses Formulabs inks from Alotofthings and have found this vendor
to be very reliable and their inks excellent for his Canon printers.

My experience with them was poor. I would not recommend that source.
Look up
all the posts you can find from Ron Cohen for this information. Also check
out Taliesyn's posts as he uses aftermarket inks successfully. I have read
that they won't ship to Canada, but I don't know if they would ship to you
in OZ.


These are part of the religious congregation known as the AFTERMARKET
CLUB. About a dozen members who are hobbyists and tinkers that just
love the pain in the ass and mess of refilling carts. Of course they
all have a very high printload so due to the expense of the high quality
OEM choice it is cost justifiable to risk their printer and spend their
time. If my printload was that high I would have to investigate a 3rd
party source. I would try to find one not mentioned here.
You can email them to check it out. Two other vendors that have
told me they use Formulabs inks in their prefilled carts are Wiredbeans (on
ebay) and Weink (their CRU carts.)

WeStink charges $2.00 less than you can get a Canon OEM cart. I do not
know about the Epson prices. They used to provide advice on this NG
without disclosing that there true motive was to make sales. I do not
like this practice.

I do not know about WiredBeans. THIS LINK WILL PROVIDE THEIR RESELLER
RATING.

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller5041.html

THESE ARE THE COMPANIES THE AFTERMARKET CLUB RECOMMENDS. CAVEAT EMPTOR.


ANOTHER PERSON WITH A PROBLEM

hi-
my i960's nozzles keep getting clogged to the point that i have had to
replace the nozze unit once already, and now one of the nozzles on the
replacement head is clogged already. i just replaced it about 2 months
ago. does anyone know how to clean these nozzles so they will work
again? does using aftermarket off brand ink cause this? i hardly ever
use it, is that a cause?

thanx alot

You can email them to verify that the
carts you may want to buy are filled with Formulabs inks. Measekite, the
person who responded to you, has never done business with these firms, nor
has he used aftermarket inks. He mistrusts the vendors and their products
and has an especial dislike for Alotofthings. Every time aftermarket inks
are mentioned he responds with his concerns that the products are not
manufactured by the firms selling them and they are relabeled so you don't
know what is in them.


That is true. You can have problems with ink bought at one vendor so
you buy from another vendor thinking you are makeing a change because
the Label is a different name. You than have the same problem. What
really happened is that you bought the same ink mfg and formulated from
the same place sold under different labels. This practice makes thing
difficult to track. Making things worse is you can make 2 purchases
from the same place a few months apart and get inks made by different
sources all sold under the same label with the quality varying a great
deal. Or from batch to batch the quality may be different.

OEM's spend a lot of money to insure quality by placing many quality
control measures in the process. They spend millions developing and
protecting a their brand. That said I do believe they are over priced.
Unfortuantely, his responses are filled with
invective about the companies and usually filled with obscenities,

traded with the Church of the AfterMarket led by Pope Burtie.
both of
which tend to make his point of view appear less than valid. Others on this
NG have purchased from them for several years and found them to be reliable
and their products good.


THEN WHY DO SO MANY POSTER ON THIS NG WHO USE AFTERMARKET INKS HAVE SO
MANY PROBLEMS. MANY MORE PROBLEMS THAN OEM USERS.
Check out Neil Slade's web site at
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html and check out the forum at
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ .

NIFTY AND SLADES SITE HAVE SOME LINKAGE. SLADE DOES HAVE SOME
INTERESTING STUFF BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THESE PLACES CATER
TO AFTERMARKET HOBBYISTS.
Both are almost entirely about Canon
printers, aftermarket inks, papers, and tips on maintaining your printer.
You can sign on to the Nifty-stuff forum and ask about inks available for
your printer in OZ as there may be people from OZ participating. You will
also see what products have given people problems.

And you will get the same answers as here because here you have Burt and
their you have fotofreek. The same thing using two names just like the
AfterMarket ink can be the same thing using multiple Labels.
wazzad wrote:
[...]

P.S. Be very careful of aftermarket non canon inks, as I had a lot of
problems with true quality colour reproductions until I found a supplier
here in Australia who sold very high quality bulk ink for me to refill my
own cartridges.
[...]

Thanks for your comments. Nothing like the horse's mouth. :-)

Can you supply URL for that source of OEM quality inks?

'Ta muchly.
 
Frank said:
I am sorry to say that I am a stupid little shit head. You don't think
everyone in this ng can plainly see that I am a real ****ing sicko.
How ****ing original. Not!

Looser. Frank


:-D :-D :-D

I hardly have to write anything. You :-! :-! :-!

:-D :-D :-D
 
measekite wrote:


What's your point shithead? That you can copy and post out of context.
Is that you big claim to fame, cause that's all you're doing.
You have no creditability on the subject of aftermarket inks. You have
no experience with purchasing or using them do you.
Please tell this ng exactly what experience you do have, ok.
We're waiting....
Frank
 
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