I960 color problem

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Have you find many sources for Formulabs ink. alotofcrap is not a source.
Greetings Ron,

Sorry, I don't mean to slam Kodak Premium Paper but it just doesn't
perform, look or feel as good as most of my other papers.

From the Kodak website the recommended settings for my Canon iP5000 are:
"Other Photo Paper", Print Quality: "High", Color Adjustment: "Manual -
Magenta -10, and Yellow +5".... Not my usual settings, but I tried them.

The results are totally unacceptable - Strong head pass lines visible,
quite washed out, speckled (very visible dots). The only recommendation
that makes any sense is the Magenta -10, and Yellow +5 suggestion.

I've run various tests on it earlier (on an i860) and didn't like the
results very much. And today on the iP5000 I tried again. And no, I
don't use Canon inks, they're made by Formulabs. If you're about to
suggest that my inks may be in conflict, I won't buy that for a moment
as they produce great prints with all other papers - even Dollar Store!

I tried several settings with the paper and the only one that produces
the most satisfactory print is "Photo Paper Pro". At this setting the
result is still visibly poorer than the excellent result produced on my
Dollar Store paper (not my favorite paper). I know that sounds like an
insult to Kodak, but Kodak will have to get used to it as more and more
inexpensive papers arrive on the market from places like China (mine is
sold as Likon brand). The Likon print seems to have perfect contrast
(the Kodak is a bit washed out like there's a film over it), the blacks
are blacker and shows absolutely no visible print lines when the photo
is turned sideways, whereas the the Premium paper shows lines. This
Likon paper actually prints as good or better than Canon Photo Paper
Pro. It's not instant dry (24 hrs recommended), but it works great. My
preferred paper right now is Costco's Kirkland Professional Glossy
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And who do you think makes Kirkland?
 
measekite said:
Have you find many sources for Formulabs ink. alotofcrap is not a source.
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I have an order with 88inkjets.com for several Formulabs-based
cartridges.

You said "Alotofcrap" is not a source. Is that your pet name for
Alotofthings? I thought they sold Formulabs filled cartridges
and bulk inks to Americans. Did they place you on their "Do not
deliver" list too?

-Taliesyn
 
measekite said:
Based on this question, can I assume that Kodak feels 3rd party inks are
inferior to OEM inks?
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Not inferior, just different.

Differences in ink chemistry will have an effect on how the inks perform
on any given paper stock. Paper and ink are both chemically rather
complex substances and mixtures of substances. There is _always_ some
chemical reaction between ink and paper.

In addition, inks and papers differ in their physical properties of
absorbency, reflectivity, adhesiveness, and so on.

Both the physics and the chemistry affect the way a given ink + paper
combination works.

The printer manufacturers give a head strat by programming the printers
to change droplet size and colour combinations for different types of
paper. But you may still have to do some manual tweaking when you change
ink and/or paper. Depends how fussy you are, I suppose. :-)
 
You said "Alotofcrap" is not a source. Is that your pet name for
Alotofthings? I thought they sold Formulabs filled cartridges
and bulk inks to Americans. Did they place you on their "Do not
deliver" list too?
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Hold on there folks.... I get my carts from alotofthings because they
(are suppose to) have Formulabs Ink in their refills (Arrow Carts).
Are you telling me that they don't?

Now let me add that my last order from them did come with half the
carts Arrow brand which they say are filled with Formulabs ink and the
other half were Premium Imaging Products brand carts which they said,
when I called about this, were suppose to also contain Formulabs ink.
FYI, for my i960, the Arrow brand carts were the 6Y, 6C & 6M while the
Premium brand carts were the remaining 6B, 6PC & 6PM.

DW

Remove "spam" from address to email.
 
They are an immature unprofessional organization without their own web
store but promoting am eBay site that is uninformative and
unprofessional as they com and refuse to answer any questions that they
infer as a criticism.

alofofthings=alotofcrap=alotofimmaturity=Formulabs need to promote
competition unless they do not care about the small quantity purchaser.
 
DWhitley said:
Hold on there folks.... I get my carts from alotofthings because they
(are suppose to) have Formulabs Ink in their refills (Arrow Carts).
Are you telling me that they don't?

Now let me add that my last order from them did come with half the
carts Arrow brand which they say are filled with Formulabs ink and the
other half were Premium Imaging Products brand carts which they said,
when I called about this, were
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suppose to also contain
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SUPPOSED TO CONTAIN - Doesn't alotofCRAP know. Why would the immature
idiots send you something you did not order?
 
Measekite - why such mean spirited, vitriolic name calling for a small
company you have never had the experience of doing business with? First
hand experience by their actual customers, positive or negative, is what the
newsgroup needs, not ranting by someone who has taken a dislike to their
admittedly mediocre presentation. Although I have not yet used their
product, I did purchase filled arrow cartrudges on ebay and they were at my
home just a few days later. What motivates you to try to hurt a small
business that actually sells a decent product? I would guess that the
extremely low price they charge is, in part, due to their ability to keep
the overhead low. Really good websites require either the skill to prepare
them or the expenditure of considerable money. ebay is an extremely
economical way for a small vendor to enter the marketplace. Leave the poor
guy alone, already, and just buy someone elses ink!
 
I totally disagree. After emailing them and asking questions I got a
stupid response that pissed me off. Anyway, thanks to Taliesyn, I found
a source that sells Formulabs carts, has a businesss like website,
reasonable prices, and information.

Here is a link to the site.

http://www.88inkjets.com/

Tell me what you think. At this point I do not think they sell
Formulabs Bulk ink for the Canons.
 
Burt said:
Measekite - why such mean spirited, vitriolic name calling for a small
company you have never had the experience of doing business with? First
hand experience by their actual customers, positive or negative, is what the
newsgroup needs, not ranting by someone who has taken a dislike to their
admittedly mediocre presentation. Although I have not yet used their
product, I did purchase filled arrow cartrudges on ebay and they were at my
home just a few days later. What motivates you to try to hurt a small
business that actually sells a decent product? I would guess that the
extremely low price they charge is, in part, due to their ability to keep
the overhead low. Really good websites require either the skill to prepare
them or the expenditure of considerable money. ebay is an extremely
economical way for a small vendor to enter the marketplace. Leave the poor
guy alone, already, and just buy someone elses ink!
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I kinda wondered about that too. Seems awfully
mean spirited. I ordered a refill kit for an HP
from them some months ago. Didn't go to their
ebay site and didn't find anything particularly
bad about Alotofthings.com, not totally intuitive,
but not bad. Anyway, they shipped promptly. I've
used the black and can't tell any difference from
the original ink. I tried to fill an old color
cartridge that sat in the refrig for a few months.
, but didn't have high hopes that it would
printed right. It refused to print period,
regardless of what I did, so the jets may simply
be plugged tight after a long time or the
resistors are burned out. Anyway, I thought
filling would be good experience and didn't use
much of the color. Soon as my current color
cartridge gets low (I am watching carefully and
will stop printing if I see any missing color),
I'll try filling it and expect it will work just fine.

BTW, I only put 10 ml in my black cartridge (half
the capacity). As soon as I put another 15 ml in
it, I will have recovered my total cost for the
refill kit, and I will still have lots of black
refills.
 
measekite said:
I totally disagree. After emailing them and asking questions I got a
stupid response that pissed me off. Anyway, thanks to Taliesyn, I found
a source that sells Formulabs carts, has a businesss like website,
reasonable prices, and information.
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Measkekite, I wanted desperately to order from Alotofthings. And I
couldn't have cared less if a grade 3 student had made their website!
If he sells Formulabs ink, that's all I need to know. I just wanted some
ink. But they refuse to serve Canadians claiming they can't give us the
same quality (fast) service they do Americans. This upset me and I
called them "Alotofnothings" for abandoning Canadians. All he had to do
was put a notice that Canadians should expect to have to wait up to 2-3
weeks for delivery, for Canada Customs clearance with possibly added
fees. I'll sign a waiver. I'll wait. I just want ink!

But your resorting to calling them "alotofcrap" is totally uncalled for.
Alotofthings at eBay has a 99.9% positive feedback from a total of 7,083
buyers (as we speak). Now why would anyone possibly believe you, a
certified non-buyer?

Joe (have I got the right person?) IS WILLING to sell you a thousand
cartridges and "gallons" of Formulabs ink if you just let him. Instead
you've chosen name calling without actually willing to do any business
with him. But then you don't shop online any way.

Message to Alotofthings: Are these the U.S. people (Measekite) you're
dying to serve at the expense of us Canadians? Well, I think you should
seriously reconsider your marketing strategies.

-Taliesyn
____________________________________________________________________
3rd party inks: print anything you can think of, with ink that costs
next to nothing, to impress people you don't like.
 
Greetings Measekite,

Not necessarily, just that the suggested settings for Kodak products used
with the drivers and with Kodak EasyShare or the One Touch options are based
on manufacturers inks. Since refillable inks are generally not documented
etc. they may vary for color, and many other factors? Might be just fine as
well, but you can count on conisistency of product with the manufacturers
products.

Talk to you soon.

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
 
Greetings Taliesyn,

Thanks for the review. I appreciate your sharing the testing and use
results but, as you know, for someone to offer a particular setting for
general use by thousands of people, the suggested settings must have
consistency. Kodak bases its recommendations on OEM inks from the
manufacturer with a particular printer and driver. I am quite sure that if
you used those settings and that ink type, your results would be much
better. They are quite good in our labs and in review or personal
applications.

I understand controlling costs, I do too, but many believe that Kodak offers
great quality. The testing that is done on all the printers and related
drivers offered is extensive and time consuming. We do it, however, so you
can always expect good quality using the related inks and printers
associated with the suggested settings.

Talk to you soon, Taliesyn,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
 
Ron said:
Greetings Taliesyn,

Thanks for the review. I appreciate your sharing the testing and use
results but, as you know, for someone to offer a particular setting for
general use by thousands of people, the suggested settings must have
consistency. Kodak bases its recommendations on OEM inks from the
manufacturer with a particular printer and driver. I am quite sure that if
you used those settings and that ink type, your results would be much
better. They are quite good in our labs and in review or personal
applications.

I understand controlling costs, I do too, but many believe that Kodak offers
great quality. The testing that is done on all the printers and related
drivers offered is extensive and time consuming. We do it, however, so you
can always expect good quality using the related inks and printers
associated with the suggested settings.

Talk to you soon, Taliesyn,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
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Okay, Ron, you forced my hand, er inks ...

I whipped out my non-OEM cartridges and replaced them with the
recommended OEM inks. I do have them, they're only 3 months old, kept
in a cool place for occasions just like this. I did a deep printhead
clean and ran a nozzle check to see if all was well. It was.

Again I used the Kodak recommended settings for the iP5000, exactly
as posted on the Kodak web site.

The results were a tad better than with the inks I was using (we're
being absolutely honest here, I have nothing to lose). The vertical
head pass lines were less noticeable but still there, the print was too
light (washed out) showing distracting speckles/dots.

So you can bet I ran off a print on my dollar store Likon paper for
comparison with my yesterday non-OEM ink Likon print. If I hadn't
shifted the suggested -10 M, + 5 yellow setting back to normal, the two
prints would have been identical. Both are absolutely beautiful. The
print on Kodak Premium Picture Paper is simply not acceptable, even
with Canon OEM inks. Even the paper curls and sags in all directions
after it prints and dries. I don't like that, Ron. Likon dollar store
paper keeps it shape after printing. How difficult can it be for Kodak
to get better backing?

A test print on Kodak Ultima (my settings) was excellent with Canon inks
but showed some vertical lines and graniness with non-OEM inks.

Conclusion: Kodak Premium didn't give acceptable results with even
OEM ink on my printer.

Kodak Ultima was good, though wouldn't work properly with two different
non-OEM inks. Buyer beware.

They may state on the package that this "paper works with all inkjet
printers". But the case is certainly not true with all inks.

-Taliesyn
 
John said:
My local Costco has stopped carrying the Epson paper for some reason. Now they
carry only the Kodak and the Kirkland.
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I can confirm that Costco here in Canada too has stopped carrying Epson
Glossy Photo Paper. They only had 3 boxes left in my store. Since I like
this paper for my greeting cards and CD liners, I'm stocking up. I have
two unopened boxes and some in a third. 250+ sheets should last a while.
I'm not about to pay $1 a sheet (almost) that they charge at stationary
stores compared to Costco's $32 CDN (with taxes) for 120 sheets.

For digital photos I like Costco's Kirkland Glossy.

-Taliesyn
 
Dear all

I have a i960 Canon printer since four years and wanted to through i
away when I got it
- The Eaysy-PhotoPrint software and supplied ICC colour profile alon
with Canon PPP photo paper combination is just good for trash
Colours are saturated and too much red

- Do not use the printer settings proposed on Kodak's web site, the
are no good

- The best prints = to a lab finishing print is the following
i) I always used Kodak Premium Picture Paper
ii) Register to the Kodak Professional web sit
iii) Download the KProIJPaper_CaI960_V1 latest colour profile fo
the I960 or your printer model. Follow the instructions to install i
on your computer
iv) Install the ICC profile into
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\colo
v) Set the printer driver settings as indicated in the PDF file
vi) Use the Kodak EasyShare printing software you will find fre
to download on the Kodak site

Note that I'm using Interactive Media Sales (IMS) ink refills
www.ims-ink.com. You can find it at COSTC

Note that I never used other paper than Kodak's but with the Kodak PP
paper you will get astonishing laboratory result

Good printing..
 
Dear all

I have a i960 Canon printer since four years and wanted to through i
away when I got it
- The Eaysy-PhotoPrint software and supplied ICC colour profile alon
with Canon PPP photo paper combination is just good for trash
Colours are saturated and too much red

- Do not use the printer settings proposed on Kodak's web site, the
are no good

- The best prints = to a lab finishing print is the following
i) I always used Kodak Premium Picture Paper
ii) Register to the Kodak Professional web sit
iii) Download the KProIJPaper_CaI960_V1 latest colour profile fo
the I960 or your printer model. Follow the instructions to install i
on your computer
iv) Install the ICC profile into
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\colo
v) Set the printer driver settings as indicated in the PDF file
vi) Use the Kodak EasyShare printing software you will find fre
to download on the Kodak site

Note that I'm using Interactive Media Sales (IMS) ink refills
www.ims-ink.com. You can find it at COSTC

Note that I never used other paper than Kodak's but with the Kodak PP
paper you will get astonishing laboratory result

Good printing
 
Dear all

I have a i960 Canon printer since four years and wanted to through i
away when I got it
- The Eaysy-PhotoPrint software & supplied ICC colour profil
along with Canon PPP photo paper combination is just good for trash
Colours are saturated and too much red

- Do not use the printer settings proposed on Kodak's web site, the
are no good

- The best prints = to a lab finishing print is the following
i) I always used Kodak Premium Picture Paper
ii) Register to the Kodak Professional web sit
iii) Download the KProIJPaper_CaI960_V1 latest colour profile fo
the I960 or your printer model. Follow the instructions to install i
on your computer
iv) Install the ICC profile into
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\colo
v) Set the printer driver settings as indicated in the PDF file
vi) Use the Kodak EasyShare printing software you will find fre
to download on the Kodak site

Note that I'm using Interactive Media Sales (IMS) ink refills
"www.ims-ink.com". You can find it at COSTC

Note that I never used other paper than Kodak's but with the Kodak PP
paper you will get astonishing laboratory result

Good printing
 
Dear all

I have a i960 Canon printer since four years and wanted to through i
away when I got it
- The Eaysy-PhotoPrint software and supplied ICC colour profile alon
with Canon PPP photo paper combination is just good for trash
Colours are saturated and too much red

- Do not use the printer settings proposed on Kodak's web site, the
are no good

- The best prints = to a lab finishing print is the following
i) I always used Kodak Premium Picture Paper
ii) Register to the Kodak Professional web sit
iii) Download the KProIJPaper_CaI960_V1 latest colour profile fo
the I960 or your printer model. Follow the instructions to install i
on your computer
iv) Install the ICC profile into
WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\colo
v) Set the printer driver settings as indicated in the PDF file
vi) Use the Kodak EasyShare printing software you will find fre
to download on the Kodak site

Note that I'm using Interactive Media Sales (IMS) ink refills
"www.ims-ink.com". You can find it at COSTC

Note that I never used other paper than Kodak's but with the Kodak PP
paper you will get astonishing laboratory result

Good printing
 
Dear all

I have a i960 Canon printer since four years and wanted to through i
away when I got it
- The Eaysy-PhotoPrint software and supplied ICC colour profile alon
with Canon PPP photo paper combination is just good for trash
Colours are saturated and too much red

- Do not use the printer settings proposed on Kodak's web site, the
are no good

- The best prints = to a lab finishing print is the following
i) I always used Kodak Premium Picture Paper
ii) Register to the Kodak Professional web sit
iii) Download the KProIJPaper_CaI960_V1 latest colour profile for th
I960 or your printer model. Follow the instructions to install it o
your computer
iv) Install the ICC profile into
WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\colo
v) Set the printer driver settings as indicated in the PDF file
vi) Use the Kodak EasyShare printing software you will find free t
download on the Kodak site

Note that I'm using Interactive Media Sales (IMS) ink refills
"www.ims-ink.com". You can find it at COSTC

Note that I never used other paper than Kodak's but with the Kodak PP
paper you will get astonishing laboratory result

Good printing
 
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