I want a GNU Search Engine

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Alan Connor said:
I thought we were promoting Linux.
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Look where you are crossposting to. This includes gnu.misc.discuss,
seattle.general (for whatever reason, I am taking this out of the
followup list), microsoft.public.dotnet.general (also taken out since
I can't imagine why this topic would be of interest there).

But let's talk about gnu.misc.discuss here: it has always been the
stance of the GNU project to promote freedom also to those that have
to work in unfree environment. More than a decade, GNU tools ran
exclusively on proprietary platforms (the whole autoconf business is
born from that).

Nowadays the situation is such that the FSF does not invest any of
their own resources into proprietary platform support, but they
certainly don't keep others from doing so, and they don't wilfully
cripple their software to fetter in other people to free software.

Apart from which, there is now an abundance of other free systems,
like FreeBSD, OpenBSD and things like that, and it would certainly
not be the policy of the GNU project to keep people from using them.

Then search engine technology like Google _naturally_ is based on
existing Web technology. There is no point into creating something
that would not work with browsers regardless of underlying operating
system platform.
That would be established when they signed up for access to the
search engine.
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You are promoting a _very_ discriminatory stance, denying other
people access to technology out of sheer spite instead of technical
necessity.

That's not what freedom is about.
 
Jeff said:
Hi Paul Hovnanian P.E. ,
You say :
" why can't a software company
with a bottomless R&D budget
build their own competing product ? "

Because Google is _ Smarter _ than Microsoft ?
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Actually, no.

Microsoft essentially has a bottomless pit of money and has hired some
very talented people. I suspect that the mere existence of Google, or
any other search engine that ranks pages purely based on content
interferes with Microsoft's business model. That model is:

If you ever want your page to be found, pay me. The more you pay, the
better a score it gets. Since there are no alternatives (we bought them
all), you will pay, or starve.
Pit Money vs. Smarts and Smarts wins every time .

But that doesn't mean that GNU won and Google lost .
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Everything comes down to money. GNU wins because it is good and it is
cheaper. Google wins because it is good and cheaper as well. Cheaper in
this case is the amount that page owners must pay to be listed, which is
zero. As a result, they have no 'Microsoft tax' to pass on to their
customers.
Wiki is an amazingly good concept ,
but _ Some _ money is always need ...
Hence Google beat Wiki .
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Wiki is 'free', but since it operates on a slightly different model, the
effort to use it (both as a page owner and a page user) is slightly
higher.

Wiki works very well in situations where information creators must take
the time to enter their data into some sort of structure anyway.
 
Barry said:
For a community that promotes freedom and openness, that would be
extremely restrictive.
Agreed.

And how would you even know if a client is a Linux user?
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Good question. Maybe Microsoft would soon add code to IE (or winsock or
something) that would prevent Windows users from connecting to that site.
You could then at least be sure that it wasn't a Windows user. :)
 
poster->"Paul Hovnanian P.E. said:
Microsoft essentially has a bottomless pit of money and has hired some
very talented people. I suspect that the mere existence of Google, or
any other search engine that ranks pages purely based on content
interferes with Microsoft's business model. That model is:
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(a) not 'bottomless' you are simply viewing a local maximum.

(b) the 'web model' of 'free information' interferes with them. this
model -- similar to the GNU model ( which takes it to its
ultimate conclusion, and hence evolutionarily will supercede
all other models ) makes software a function of information
delivery. therefore, the cost of software can float to zero or
below in the effort to deliver content, and the content creates
the value.

(c) microsoft cannot hold market dominance with a 'software'
monopoly because of (b) -- and as it tries to convert to a
'content' seller it puts itself into a horse race with players
who have a lot more 'smarts' and savvy than they do.

(d) at this point, ms is basically a 'bottleneck' -- it is
the old wife of computerdom that will not grant computers
a divorce so they can join the GNU world of free software.
So it continues to harange, interfere and bother people even
though it's usefulness ended int 1995 with the ascendency
of the Web economy.

(e) Is 50 billion not enough alimony for Bill?

We will see...
 
Jeff Relf said:
Pit Money vs. Smarts and Smarts wins every time .
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The comparison may not be appreciated in all quarters, but back when
Rockefeller & Nixon were battling for the Republican nomination, Bill
Mauldin published a cartoon series of which the first showed Rocky
with a pile of chips in front of him, and Dicky shuffling the cards.
The caption was "Assets".
 
Hi Paul Hovnanian P.E. ,
You say :
" I suspect that the mere existence of Google ,
or any other search engine that ranks pages
purely based on content interferes with
Microsoft's business model . "

Wiki is shear brilliance ...
No amount of money can't even compete with them .

The people running Google make Bill Gates look like a retard .

They were smart enough to wait before doing their IPO .

They forgoed buying mansions , yachts , and muscle cars .
Instead they peddled their bicycles to work .

And they were Linux enthusiasts .

Gates needs a billion dollars just to wipe his ass .

I've discovered that a " Free " e-mail / news client ,
40tude Dialog , beats the crap out of outlook express .
( At least as far as I am concerned )

Why ?
Because many of Microsoft's programmers are millionaires .
They're too busy sailing their yachts to come into Usenet
like Marcus Mönnig does . ( Marcus is Dialog's author )

Smarts trumps money ... Every time .
 
Oops ! I wrote :
" Instead they peddled their bicycles to work . "

Make that " Pedalled " .
 
news.microsoft.com said:
Google doesnt just rank based on content, its also got PAID ranking.
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Googles sponsored links are quite clearly marked as such. As long as
they are honest about them, I don't have a problem with their trying to
generate some revenue. Any other forms of payment for position in a
legitimate search engine are unethical.
 
poster->Jeff Relf said:
The people running Google make Bill Gates look like a retard .

They were smart enough to wait before doing their IPO .

They forgoed buying mansions , yachts , and muscle cars .
Instead they peddled their bicycles to work .
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the one luxury they afford themselfs is
good food. every Google employee can
eat lunch at a cafeteria staffed by a Gourmet
chef...sure beats the blivet burger...

check out this blog:
http://googlemenus.blogspot.com/


ps -- most people who work for microsoft
are contract employees who are treated
like *shit* -- they are routinely lied
to by the 'permanent' managers, sexually
harassed and threated with their jobs.

They are promised full time jobs that
never materialize and then if projects
go downhill they are blamed..

basically Bill Gate$ the Creep is propped
up by a lot of young cannon fodder....
 
poster->Jeff Relf <[email protected]>
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ps -- most people who work for microsoft
are contract employees who are treated
like *shit* -- they are routinely lied
to by the 'permanent' managers, sexually
harassed and threated with their jobs.

They are promised full time jobs that
never materialize and then if projects
go downhill they are blamed..

basically Bill Gate$ the Creep is propped
up by a lot of young cannon fodder....
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There's some stuff on this in the Naomi Klein book ('No Logo') I was
talking about in another thread. Apparently Microsoft were worried that
temp workers might start claiming employment rights because many of them
had been there so long, so they ruled that MS funded
social events were out of bounds to temp workers.

andy.
 
Googles sponsored links are quite clearly marked as such. As long as
they are honest about them, I don't have a problem with their trying to
generate some revenue. Any other forms of payment for position in a
legitimate search engine are unethical.
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So spammers have to obey the rules but you don't? (the limit on sigs
is 4 lines, which I am SURE that you know).

Look up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary.

Killfiled for 30 days.
 
Somewhere around the time of 10/31/2003 19:54, the world stopped and
listened as Jeff Relf contributed this to humanity:
Hi Paul Hovnanian P.E. ,
You say :
" Much of the internet
is running on GNU / Open source software . "

Yes , Including Google itself .

But Google is doing an IPO ...

What works , works ... Why be a purist at all costs ?

Bailo loves playing the martyr ...
Like that drunk I saw the other day
saying " I'm Jesus ! I'm Jesus ! "
as the campus cops handcuffed him .
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Look, I don't know what your marital dispute with jbailo is, but take it
to email instead of the group.

Oh, and you're an idiot too.

Now FOAD!
 
Somewhere around the time of 10/31/2003 17:22, the world stopped and
listened as Paul Hovnanian P.E. contributed this to humanity:
Jeff Relf wrote:

[snip]

Ask yourself this question John :
" Why has the GNU philosophy continued to fail us ? "
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Ask yourself this question: Seeing as how the basic operating principles
of Google are pretty well known, why can't a software company with a
bottomless R&D budget build their own competing product?
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Actually, they tried and failed. Look at MSN search for a case in point.
 
Kingbarry2000 said:
Brilliant comeback. I believe that the word 'Idiot' has a patent pending
in this ng ?
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No. It i just that this NG attracts lots of people where the minimal
description would be "idiot". It will quite often not be enough, so instead
"moron" or "cretin" is more appropriate, but using any more words would
just waste them

BTW, you are an idiot
 
Somewhere around the time of 10/31/2003 19:54, the world stopped and
listened as Jeff Relf contributed this to humanity:


Look, I don't know what your marital dispute with jbailo is, but take it
to email instead of the group.

Oh, and you're an idiot too.

Now FOAD!
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He *is* jbailo. Only he would xposts to seattle.general for no reason
whatsever & screems stupid subject lines like this one. He's posting through a
different route, thats all.
 
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