K
kony
I take it you don't read warranties very often. Write to
one of the majors and ask them if you can put any cart you
want in one instead of the OEM carts.
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I take it you don't read warranties very often. Write to
one of the majors and ask them if you can put any cart you
want in one instead of the OEM carts.
K
kony
kony wrote:
OP's question:
Kony's answer:
Hmmm...answer was not specific to the question. Gee, weren't you
chastising a couple of people for something similar? Yeah, back
in the "Wireless mouse with longest battery life?" thread. <g>
Yes it was specific to the question.
Still sore about your gross misunderstanding about the
poster wanting longest runtime from alkaline batteries in a
mouse?
It's almost amazing that someone can so clearly describe
what they want and still you get it all wrong. The poster
didn't ask "what do you think is the best alternative for a
cordless mouse", nor "how can I use rechargables without
having to pull them out to recharge", nor "how would you
prefer to do it".
It doesn't make the tiniest bit of difference which
alternative you, or I, think is best, because that's not
what the OP asked.
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Rod Speed
I take it you don't read warranties very often.
You can take whatever you like wherever you like.
I actually understand the law and realise that whatever some
manufacturer trys to claim, the warranty is NOT void when you
use other than the manufacturer's cartridge in a printer.
Write to one of the majors and ask them if you can
put any cart you want in one instead of the OEM carts.
Irrelevant what they say, what matters is the law on that.
K
kony
You can take whatever you like wherever you like.
I actually understand the law and realise that whatever some
manufacturer trys to claim, the warranty is NOT void when you
use other than the manufacturer's cartridge in a printer.
Good luck getting them to agree if they know you used a
non-authorized cart. The technicality of it is not always
equal to the reality of actually getting warranty coverage.
Granted, they may not ask and you might not tell them about
it, in which case so long as you dont' leave the 3rd party
carts installed they may never know.
Irrelevant what they say, what matters is the law on that.
Law cannot entirely exclude all possible failures that
legitimately result from use of a bad or wrong cartridge.
If the printer isn't printing right, it could entirely be
due to an unsuitable 3rd party cart. User ships it off,
they install the right OEM cart and it prints fine. They
refuse the warranty because there is nothing wrong with the
printer, it's the cart. You want the same printer back, ok,
but no warranty replacement.
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Rod Speed
Good luck getting them to agree if they know you used a non-authorized cart.
Dont need to. I know enough about the law to threaten then with a
small claims court action if they are stupid enough to try it, and that
is absolutely guaranteed to see them put their hands up because
their legal parasites understand the law, even if you dont.
The technicality of it is not always equal to the
reality of actually getting warranty coverage.
See above.
Granted, they may not ask and you might not tell them
about it, in which case so long as you dont' leave
the 3rd party carts installed they may never know.
Yes, it certainly makes sense to not even mention that.
So much for your original stupid claim.
Law cannot entirely exclude all possible failures that
legitimately result from use of a bad or wrong cartridge.
Doesnt need to. If THEY claim that its the 3rd party cart that
produced the problem, THEY need to substantiate that claim.
If the printer isn't printing right, it could entirely
be due to an unsuitable 3rd party cart.
And with the cartridges with a built in print head, completely
trivial to try a manufacturer's cart and see if that fixes the problem.
User ships it off, they install the right OEM cart and
it prints fine. They refuse the warranty because
there is nothing wrong with the printer, it's the cart.
Nothing like your original stupid pig ignorant claim.
You want the same printer back, ok, but no warranty replacement.
Nothing like your original stupid pig ignorant claim.
K
kony
Dont need to. I know enough about the law to threaten then with a
small claims court action if they are stupid enough to try it, and that
is absolutely guaranteed to see them put their hands up because
their legal parasites understand the law, even if you dont.
Nope, a manufacturer can't guarantee proper operation of a
device when they don't know what possible things could go
wrong with aftermarket replacement parts.
They "might" still warrant that THEIR parts work as
designed, but not that the product as a whole does with the
3rd party parts in it. So, to confirm your 3rd party parts
aren't the problem you have to buy authorized parts anyway,
because their warranty does NOT cover using 3rd party parts.
See above.
Yes, see above.
U
UCLAN
kony said:It doesn't make the tiniest bit of difference which
alternative you, or I, think is best, because that's not
what the OP asked.
The OP here asked for "new inkjet printer that has low running costs."
Your answer of "Keep using your current printer or search the opposite
direction- for cheap compatible cartridges, not printers, and buy one
supported that suits your needs" was not suggesting a new printer as
the OP requested. Same as our suggestion that the OP that was looking
for new mouse consider one with a charger/cradle. I'm just surprised
that you became a hypocrite so quickly. I thought you would be careful
for at least a few days.
R
Rod Speed
kony said:Yep.
a manufacturer can't guarantee proper operation of
a device when they don't know what possible things
could go wrong with aftermarket replacement parts.
Mindlessly silly. If the printer has a fault when the non-authorized
cart has been replaced with one of the manufacturer's carts,
and its a printer which has the print head as part of the cart,
if its gotta fault, the manufacturer has to honor the warranty.
Thats the law, even if you're so pig ignorant you dont realise that.
They "might" still warrant that THEIR parts work as designed, but
not that the product as a whole does with the 3rd party parts in it.
They dont need to. The first thing to do if the printer has a fault is
to replace the non-authorized cart with one of the manufacturer's
carts and if its still got the fault, its a warranty claim.
So, to confirm your 3rd party parts aren't the
problem you have to buy authorized parts anyway,
Wrong again, they have to prove that
fault goes away when their cart is used.
because their warranty does NOT cover using 3rd party parts.
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
Yes, see above.
Completely useless, as always with your desperate attempts to bullshit your
way out of your predicament that fools absolutely no one at all, as always.
K
kony
Mindlessly silly. If the printer has a fault when the non-authorized
cart has been replaced with one of the manufacturer's carts,
and its a printer which has the print head as part of the cart,
if its gotta fault, the manufacturer has to honor the warranty.
Thats the law, even if you're so pig ignorant you dont realise that.
Not that's not "the law". A court might uphold certain
users rights but that is not the same thing as a blanket
coverage of all users, all printers with any random 3rd
party *modification* away from the OEM warranted product.
Ask the printer manufacturer. Doesn't really matter if you
suspect you might win in court if it isn't worth the hassle
of going to court to find out.
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kony
The OP here asked for "new inkjet printer that has low running costs."
Yep, and further elaborated about searchs for carts, that
this was the preferable option. So my suggestion was in
line with what the OP had expressed a desire to do, use 3rd
party carts, and a way to find a printer for 3rd party cards
to meet the gola of "low running costs", from these 3rd
party carts the OP MENTIONED.
Your answer of "Keep using your current printer or search the opposite
direction- for cheap compatible cartridges, not printers, and buy one
supported that suits your needs" was not suggesting a new printer as
the OP requested. Same as our suggestion that the OP that was looking
for new mouse consider one with a charger/cradle. I'm just surprised
that you became a hypocrite so quickly. I thought you would be careful
for at least a few days.
I'm sorry you can't accept you were wrong about the mouse &
batteries, but here's a hint about why you blundered:
You couldn't recognize that "longest run time" was obviously
not meaning rechargables, because the OP had already clearly
expressed wanting that while NOT wanting rechargables.
Thus, no matter how you implement the rechargables, the OP
was already aware they existed and had specifically chosen
to rule that out. OP didn't write "If only I could use
rechargables but hate to swap them in and out of mouse to
recharge them".
You are now trolling. Sad really.
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Rod Speed
Not that's not "the law".
Corse it is.
A court might uphold certain users rights
Because that is the law, stupid. And there is no 'might' thats an absolute certainty.
but that is not the same thing as a blanket coverage
of all users, all printers with any random 3rd party
*modification* away from the OEM warranted product.
No one ever said it was. In spades with that last.
AND you dont even know that its an OEM warranted product anyway.
Ask the printer manufacturer.
Dont need to, I know the law, even if you dont.
Doesn't really matter if you suspect you might win in court
I know with absolute certainty that the court will require the
printer manufacturer to honor the warranty if there is a fault
with the printer that is still there even when the printer
manufacturer's cart is used in the particular faulty printer.
if it isn't worth the hassle of going to court to find out.
You dont need to bother, all the printer manufacturers
have legals that understand the law, even if you dont.
ALL you have to do is make it clear that you do understand the law to
see them cave in and honor the warranty that you are legally entitled to.
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UCLAN
kony said:I'm sorry you can't accept you were wrong about the mouse &
batteries, but here's a hint about why you blundered:
Oh? The question was asked what mouse runs the longest on a set
of batteries. Over THREE YEARS is certainly a long time.
You couldn't recognize that "longest run time" was obviously
not meaning rechargables, because the OP had already clearly
expressed wanting that while NOT wanting rechargables.
If one NEVER has to open his mouse to change batteries, how does
he know that the mouse even HAS batteries?
Thus, no matter how you implement the rechargables, the OP
was already aware they existed and had specifically chosen
to rule that out.
He didn't rule them out. He said he preferred not to use them.
Any half awake responder could see he was tired of changing
batteries, since he stated exactly that. He also didn't want the
hassle of replacing and recharging batteries. The charging cradle
eliminates that problem, a solution that solved his replacing batteries
problem. You act like the OP stated that using rechargeables was against
his religion or something. He was sick and tired of changing batteries,
that's all, and our solution was the answer to his problem.
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kony
You dont need to bother, all the printer manufacturers
have legals that understand the law, even if you dont.
ALL you have to do is make it clear that you do understand the law to
see them cave in and honor the warranty that you are legally entitled to.
Again, no. If that were the case they wouldn't have stated
your warranty is void in the first place. Expect a denial
of warranty if they know you use 3rd party carts, and unlike
your disposition here with the all too common "clown paper
bag bullshit" argument mode, a printer manufacturer isn't
going to be swayed at all, will just delete the email or
hang up the phone on you at that point.
If you claim "I"ll take you to court", they'll probably say
"OK". Their lawyers are retained either way, might as well
be doing something as twiddling their thumbs.
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kony
He didn't rule them out. He said he preferred not to use them.
<snip>
LOL.
So it's a matter of you insisting the OP should use
something he prefers not to.
Maybe in your own little country but not in a free market.
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Rod Speed
Again, no.
Fraid so.
If that were the case they wouldn't have
stated your warranty is void in the first place.
Wrong, as always. That is pure bluff and they realise its pure
bluff and cave in quickly when they realise you know its pure bluff.
Expect a denial of warranty if they know you use 3rd party carts,
Only if you're actually stupid enough to get bluffed.
AND there is no way of them knowing what you have
used if you have enough of a clue to RMA the printer
with one of the manufacturer's carts in it anyway.
and unlike your disposition here with the all too common
"clown paper bag bullshit" argument mode, a printer
manufacturer isn't going to be swayed at all, will just
delete the email or hang up the phone on you at that point.
Have fun explaining how come that hasnt happened with anyone with a clue.
If you claim "I"ll take you to court", they'll probably say "OK".
Nope, because they know what the law is on that and
arent actually stupid enough to piss their money against
the wall on a claim they are absolutely guaranteed to lose.
Their lawyers are retained either way, might as
well be doing something as twiddling their thumbs.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont actually
have a ****ing clue about how the court process works.
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UCLAN
kony said:LOL.
So it's a matter of you insisting the OP should use
something he prefers not to.
Maybe in your own little country but not in a free market.
I insisted on nothing. We merely made him aware that the mouse/charging
cradle option existed and would make the charging/replacing of batteries
in a cordless mouse an "ex-problem." He stated that he was looking to
reduce the amount of batteries he was using. Our option was suggested
as a solution to his problem. Your opposition to it is more of a "I
didn't suggest it, therefore it is not the right answer" reaction
than anything else.
The OP stated he was looking for a mouse that lasted longest on a
pair of batteries, and that he didn't want to mess with rechargeable
batteries. The suggestion we supplied eliminated the need to mess
with ANY batteries for over THREE YEARS, and counting.