I don't hate Vista

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I agree with you. However, migrating to an improved version is part of the
progress, if the cost is justifiable even not totally.

Vista is a special case in which it has produced nothing but troubles for
many businesses and consumers including placing special orders for the other
OS and/or exercising the downgrade right.

I understand that this is not an official channel for feedbacks and I have
no interests in participating in their official feedback programs as now MS
is the largest software company not a start-up company. I do however share
some of my thoughts (which may not be correct) in hope that they realize
what are going on.
 
The willingness demonstrated by users like you to accept a defective product
is the reason Bill Gates and his merry men do things the way they do.

If you bought a new car and GM or Ford said "We know the brakes don't work
and neither does reverse, but hang in there and we'll eventually issue fixes
for those problems", how long would you stand for it? Why should M$ be held
to a lower standard by consumers than any other provider of any other
product?

Buddha
 
C.B. said:
I've disclosed my reasons in numerous posts over the past 14 months,
and yes, I'm happily running Vista on my newest machine. I've never
stated I was running Vista on four machines because that is not the
case. I'm running XP on the other three machines. I've never stated I am
using a Mac.
You need to get your facts straight. Are you new to this newsgroup?
Have you seen any of the previous posts? Your response indicates that
you have not.
As for Nogginsaked, he received the response he deserved. When I
respond to a post my response is directly related to and proportional to
the attitude of the original poster.
I am not a fanboy, or in your words, a fanti-boy of Windows or
anything Microsoft. I have criticized Microsoft and the Windows OS on
many occasions. I also applaud and defend those who choose to use a Mac
and any other Linux based OS. It's their choice to make and I respect
their choice, unlike the Windows bashers and Microsoft haters.

C.B.

No... you need to lighten up... "This coming from a guy..." referred to
me, not you. Notice the "So, no, I'm..." statement.

Lang
 
Synapse said:
Maybe he's too embarrassed to tell people about his fascination with 3D
Flip!

ss.

Or the Ubuntu guys who use some third party app lets them move between
virtual desktops in a cube like thang. (Only read about it... so not
sure how it works.) Point being; trash Vista's graphics as eye candy
then claim Ubuntu beats it anyway. Hmm...

Lang
 
Well, I have to say that if I had been given a choice back in November when I got my new laptop whether to get it with XP or Vista, I'd have chosen XP, hands down. But once you tweak Vista, turn off all the administrative BS that a single user does not need (yes, the damn UAC!), clean up the start up programs list, unload all the extra crap, Vista isn't so bad. It seems to work OK and has some nice features that XP lacked (some of the Control Panel features and tools, the Recovery Manager Console, Partition Wizard, etc.). The IE7 is nice, even if it still tends to crash now and then and doesn't want to load some pages (I use Firefox as my default and only go to IE7 when I have to), the WinMail is OK and basically a clone of Outlook Express with some extras, and the security seems to be better, if a bit annoying at times. For me, I don't depend on Vista build-in security that much and use a third party security suite (McAfee) and if you want a more feature filled mail program, I highly recommend Windows Live Mail (freebie companion to the Windows Live Messenger and SkyDrive MySpace look alike).

I have dumped the Aero thingy and gone to a classic desktop seem so I have pretty much turned my Vista HP SP1 into a XP clone with extras. Works Ok for me. Still, I have to admit that Vista, compared to XP, uses up a lot of RAM and resources, HD space and it boots slower (even with a cleaned up startup menu) and in general is slower than XP. But then my new laptop has a Core 2 Duo at 2.2Mhz which helps compensate for the slower operation. The 1 GB RAM in my old XP laptop had to be 2 GB RAM for my new Vista system and even then I have already gotten the chips to max it out to 4 GB ram.
]
And while there has been some compatibility problems with third part programs that ran OK under XP but don't work well with Vista or have minor bugs (Norton SS 2008, Word Perfect 3X, and some others), those problems are slowly being resolved and most software publishers are making Vista compatible programs available now.

So that's the story, for me on XP vs. Vista. Vista's plug and play hardware is pretty good and the driver update is also a good thing over XP. As for the slow boot up speed, it's not that slow and beside, with Vista I usually don't shut down at all (running on wall power all the time) so when I want to stop computing for the day, I just put her into SLEEP mode so it wakes up pretty fast.

That help resolve your question? A lot of it is matter of preference and choice and like XP, it will get better with updates. SP1 did a lot to fix some problems. IE7 still needs a lot of work. Looking forward to the IE8. In the mean time I'm happy with Firefox 2.04.
Bob, Still Old, Still Grey, And Still A Woolf


No trees were harmed in the sending of this message and a very large number of electrons were asked their permission to be terribly inconvenienced. And a party was thrown for them afterwards for being really cool about it.

Bob's Space - Home Page of the Olde Greywoolf


http://oldegreywoolf.spaces.live.com/
I agree with you. However, migrating to an improved version is part of the
progress, if the cost is justifiable even not totally.

Vista is a special case in which it has produced nothing but troubles for
many businesses and consumers including placing special orders for the other
OS and/or exercising the downgrade right.

I understand that this is not an official channel for feedbacks and I have
no interests in participating in their official feedback programs as now MS
is the largest software company not a start-up company. I do however share
some of my thoughts (which may not be correct) in hope that they realize
what are going on.
 
Buddha said:
The willingness demonstrated by users like you to accept a defective
product
is the reason Bill Gates and his merry men do things the way they do.

If you bought a new car and GM or Ford said "We know the brakes don't work
and neither does reverse, but hang in there and we'll eventually issue
fixes
for those problems", how long would you stand for it? Why should M$ be
held
to a lower standard by consumers than any other provider of any other
product?

Buddha

Did you write that diatribe all by yourself bubba?
Frank
 
Yes.
The willingness demonstrated by users like you to accept a defective
product
is the reason Bill Gates and his merry men do things the way they do.

If you bought a new car and GM or Ford said "We know the brakes don't work
and neither does reverse, but hang in there and we'll eventually issue
fixes
for those problems", how long would you stand for it? Why should M$ be
held
to a lower standard by consumers than any other provider of any other
product?

Buddha

Did you write that diatribe all by yourself bubba?
Frank
 
Hi,

Thanks for sharing and I'm glad that it works for you :) I never challenged
anyone who likes Vista (or any other product for the matter) and admire
those who have the patience and willingness to go through all those
tweaking. It's just that most regular users are not in the groups of geeks,
techies, and so on.

My two cents though.


Well, I have to say that if I had been given a choice back in November when
I got my new laptop whether to get it with XP or Vista, I'd have chosen XP,
hands down. But once you tweak Vista, turn off all the administrative BS
that a single user does not need (yes, the damn UAC!), clean up the start up
programs list, unload all the extra crap, Vista isn't so bad. It seems to
work OK and has some nice features that XP lacked (some of the Control Panel
features and tools, the Recovery Manager Console, Partition Wizard, etc.).
The IE7 is nice, even if it still tends to crash now and then and doesn't
want to load some pages (I use Firefox as my default and only go to IE7 when
I have to), the WinMail is OK and basically a clone of Outlook Express with
some extras, and the security seems to be better, if a bit annoying at
times. For me, I don't depend on Vista build-in security that much and use
a third party security suite (McAfee) and if you want a more feature filled
mail program, I highly recommend Windows Live Mail (freebie companion to the
Windows Live Messenger and SkyDrive MySpace look alike).

I have dumped the Aero thingy and gone to a classic desktop seem so I have
pretty much turned my Vista HP SP1 into a XP clone with extras. Works Ok
for me. Still, I have to admit that Vista, compared to XP, uses up a lot of
RAM and resources, HD space and it boots slower (even with a cleaned up
startup menu) and in general is slower than XP. But then my new laptop has
a Core 2 Duo at 2.2Mhz which helps compensate for the slower operation. The
1 GB RAM in my old XP laptop had to be 2 GB RAM for my new Vista system and
even then I have already gotten the chips to max it out to 4 GB ram.
]
And while there has been some compatibility problems with third part
programs that ran OK under XP but don't work well with Vista or have minor
bugs (Norton SS 2008, Word Perfect 3X, and some others), those problems are
slowly being resolved and most software publishers are making Vista
compatible programs available now.

So that's the story, for me on XP vs. Vista. Vista's plug and play hardware
is pretty good and the driver update is also a good thing over XP. As for
the slow boot up speed, it's not that slow and beside, with Vista I usually
don't shut down at all (running on wall power all the time) so when I want
to stop computing for the day, I just put her into SLEEP mode so it wakes up
pretty fast.

That help resolve your question? A lot of it is matter of preference and
choice and like XP, it will get better with updates. SP1 did a lot to fix
some problems. IE7 still needs a lot of work. Looking forward to the IE8.
In the mean time I'm happy with Firefox 2.04.
Bob, Still Old, Still Grey, And Still A Woolf

No trees were harmed in the sending of this message and a very large number
of electrons were asked their permission to be terribly inconvenienced. And
a party was thrown for them afterwards for being really cool about it.
Bob's Space - Home Page of the Olde Greywoolf

http://oldegreywoolf.spaces.live.com/
I agree with you. However, migrating to an improved version is part of the
progress, if the cost is justifiable even not totally.

Vista is a special case in which it has produced nothing but troubles for
many businesses and consumers including placing special orders for the other
OS and/or exercising the downgrade right.

I understand that this is not an official channel for feedbacks and I have
no interests in participating in their official feedback programs as now MS
is the largest software company not a start-up company. I do however share
some of my thoughts (which may not be correct) in hope that they realize
what are going on.
 
Why not just use XP with WindowBlinds (or another Window Manager)?

That was the exact conclusion I came to. Unfortunately Window Blinds
doesn't like XP x64 so much yet.

JD
 
Donald said:
Why not just use XP with WindowBlinds (or another Window Manager)?

Hell, have you played with Compiz-Fusion in Linux? If you are into eye
candy, then Compiz-Fusion is the bomb.

And my secondary computer is running XP quite nicely, thanks.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
Did you write that diatribe all by yourself bubba?
Frank

Say Frank, I was wondering, do you take off and dispose of your soiled
pampers by yourself or do you paid someone to do it for you?
 
Using WindowsBlinds makes up for a wannabe Vista user :p

Heck I like the Vista interface. Sleek. But it's all of the bloat and
incompatibilities that are annoying.

JD

XPx64 on 4GB of RAM and things are FLYIN' !!!!
 
I never hated Vista, it's just that it won't run some application
software/hardware I bought years ago. Being pretty doesn't trump
functionality.
 
Hell, have you played with Compiz-Fusion in Linux? If you are into eye
candy, then Compiz-Fusion is the bomb.

And my secondary computer is running XP quite nicely, thanks.

I think Compiz on Linux is fantastic. I have the cubr rotate, sticky
windows and wobbly enabled. Thant Windows-Tab key though, cool.
 
I see what you mean now :)

I have been using/recommending MS products since DOS 3 and as we all grow
older and have learned a few things along the way, I thought things could
have been different and we should raise our expectation bar. Guess not :)



Hey!

I didn't say I "liked" Vista! I said I've made it work for me. :) :)

Let's just say I "made it work for me whether it wanted to or not", and let
it go at that. XP sucked when it first came out but it got better. That's
a pattern with Microsoft since the get-go. They did the same thing with 95,
98 2000 and NT. I REALLY don't like the fact that they publish a far from
mature software product every few years and basically use the public (and
out time and money) and developmental genny pigs. But that is the ego and
mentality that is Microsoft. :)

But it is what it is and there aren't an awful lot of games in town.
Bob, Still Old, Still Grey, And Still A Woolf

No trees were harmed in the sending of this message and a very large number
of electrons were asked their permission to be terribly inconvenienced. And
a party was thrown for them afterwards for being really cool about it.
Bob's Space - Home Page of the Olde Greywoolf

Hi,

Thanks for sharing and I'm glad that it works for you :) I never challenged
anyone who likes Vista (or any other product for the matter) and admire
those who have the patience and willingness to go through all those
tweaking. It's just that most regular users are not in the groups of geeks,
techies, and so on.

My two cents though.


Well, I have to say that if I had been given a choice back in November when
I got my new laptop whether to get it with XP or Vista, I'd have chosen XP,
hands down. But once you tweak Vista, turn off all the administrative BS
that a single user does not need (yes, the damn UAC!), clean up the start up
programs list, unload all the extra crap, Vista isn't so bad. It seems to
work OK and has some nice features that XP lacked (some of the Control Panel
features and tools, the Recovery Manager Console, Partition Wizard, etc.).
The IE7 is nice, even if it still tends to crash now and then and doesn't
want to load some pages (I use Firefox as my default and only go to IE7 when
I have to), the WinMail is OK and basically a clone of Outlook Express with
some extras, and the security seems to be better, if a bit annoying at
times. For me, I don't depend on Vista build-in security that much and use
a third party security suite (McAfee) and if you want a more feature filled
mail program, I highly recommend Windows Live Mail (freebie companion to the
Windows Live Messenger and SkyDrive MySpace look alike).

I have dumped the Aero thingy and gone to a classic desktop seem so I have
pretty much turned my Vista HP SP1 into a XP clone with extras. Works Ok
for me. Still, I have to admit that Vista, compared to XP, uses up a lot of
RAM and resources, HD space and it boots slower (even with a cleaned up
startup menu) and in general is slower than XP. But then my new laptop has
a Core 2 Duo at 2.2Mhz which helps compensate for the slower operation. The
1 GB RAM in my old XP laptop had to be 2 GB RAM for my new Vista system and
even then I have already gotten the chips to max it out to 4 GB ram.
]
And while there has been some compatibility problems with third part
programs that ran OK under XP but don't work well with Vista or have minor
bugs (Norton SS 2008, Word Perfect 3X, and some others), those problems are
slowly being resolved and most software publishers are making Vista
compatible programs available now.

So that's the story, for me on XP vs. Vista. Vista's plug and play hardware
is pretty good and the driver update is also a good thing over XP. As for
the slow boot up speed, it's not that slow and beside, with Vista I usually
don't shut down at all (running on wall power all the time) so when I want
to stop computing for the day, I just put her into SLEEP mode so it wakes up
pretty fast.

That help resolve your question? A lot of it is matter of preference and
choice and like XP, it will get better with updates. SP1 did a lot to fix
some problems. IE7 still needs a lot of work. Looking forward to the IE8.
In the mean time I'm happy with Firefox 2.04.
Bob, Still Old, Still Grey, And Still A Woolf

No trees were harmed in the sending of this message and a very large number
of electrons were asked their permission to be terribly inconvenienced. And
a party was thrown for them afterwards for being really cool about it.
Bob's Space - Home Page of the Olde Greywoolf

http://oldegreywoolf.spaces.live.com/
I agree with you. However, migrating to an improved version is part of the
progress, if the cost is justifiable even not totally.

Vista is a special case in which it has produced nothing but troubles for
many businesses and consumers including placing special orders for the other
OS and/or exercising the downgrade right.

I understand that this is not an official channel for feedbacks and I have
no interests in participating in their official feedback programs as now MS
is the largest software company not a start-up company. I do however share
some of my thoughts (which may not be correct) in hope that they realize
what are going on.
 
Adam said:
Say Frank, I was wondering, do you take off and dispose of your soiled
pampers by yourself or do you paid someone to do it for you?

Say Adam, do guys with IQ's of 170 really write "...or do you paid
someone..."?

Lang
 
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