I can see em coming...

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Oh! So that's your main complaint. Vista is sooo slow. Not on my machine.

You will wait until you get a quad core machine machine and then customize
it to your hearts content.

WAKE UP! People have been doing just that (customizing it to their hearts
content) with Windows XP for the past 5 years now.

Your statements just are so full of shi*.

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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Not slow on my machine either. I have a Core 2 Duo 6400 - definitely not
the hottest they offer - with 2GB of RAM.

Four processor cores wouldn't help MicroFox at all. And expecting Vista to
perform like Vista can on XP-class hardware is just foolish.

Dale
 
Alias said:
OK, I'll bite, what's better about Vista than XP Pro?

Alias
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It has a brand new bootloader you need to figure out how to disable if
you want, say, BootItNG to control which OS gets booted. This turned
out to be interesting. The new bootloader resists being disabled. It was
difficult but possible to overcome the various "Access is denied"s I got,
using non-Microsoft software. ISVs have a likely enhanced user demand
for software that lets people control a Windows that tells them they are
not allowed to do what they want. Economic prosperity is good, right?
 
MicroFox said:
Vista is slow guys.. whoever says anything else is plain stupid.
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Vista is slow?? On my machines, Vista is actually running faster than XP
ever did.
 
David Wright said:
Vista is slow?? On my machines, Vista is actually running faster than XP
ever did.
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That's what we have all been telling him. He obviously hasn't used Vista.

It's just one of the many reasons we call him MicroBrain.

Mike
 
That's what we have all been telling him. He obviously hasn't used
Vista.

It's just one of the many reasons we call him MicroBrain.

Mike
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The benchmarks I posted show Vista slower than XP on the same machine as
well, I'd be surprised if it was as fast with all the extra graphical
overhead. I'm hoping that nVidia will bring out better graphics drivers
eventually which may help.
 
"MicroBrain".. lol :^)

As much as I dislike name-calling, in the short time I have been posting
here, I have seen him make some pretty outlandish claims.
 
That's strange, perhaps an Nvidia issue? I am using an ATI, and Vista is
running faster than XP on the same machine.
 
That's strange, perhaps an Nvidia issue? I am using an ATI, and Vista is
running faster than XP on the same machine.
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I think (and hope) so!

The Quake timedemo seems locked at 60 fps and that would feed through to
the other benchmarks I guess.
 
David Wright said:
That's strange, perhaps an Nvidia issue? I am using an ATI, and Vista is
running faster than XP on the same machine.
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Same here. ATI X800XT AIW card with 256 megs. Vista flies on this
machine, and my XP install is less than 6 months old. About 4 months,
actually. So the claim that "of course the new install of Vista is faster
than the 3 year old install of XP" doesn't apply to me. He tried that one
on me - he got shot right down.

Mike
 
So, don't run Vista on an XP class machine!

It seems like people are complaining about all the features that aren't in
Vista and yet complain about the CPU and disk load from the features it does
have.

We want our OSs to do new things, to be more secure, to make our data easier
to find and yet we want it to perform if it was as lean as Windows 95.

I ran Windows 95 on a 40 megabyte hard drive with 4 megabytes of RAM for a
couple of months before I finally upgraded to 8 megabytes of RAM so I could
do task switching. Windows XP is not that lean. Windows Vista is not as
lean as Windows XP. I'm not saying there's no bloat in that growth, but
mostly the growth brings benefit with it and is based on what the broader
market - not just those who hang out in news groups - are expecting in the
operating system. To expect an operating system with all the new features
in Vista to perform the same as XP on XP class software just doesn't make
sense.

If you want lean, get DOS.

Dale
 
Windows Me was an effort to make some money off the ignorance of the
people. They slapped together a bad upgrade to 98, knowing that the
future was no longer with the win9x line but would shift to the NT family.
 
Michael said:
It has a brand new bootloader you need to figure out how to disable if
you want, say, BootItNG to control which OS gets booted. This turned
out to be interesting. The new bootloader resists being disabled. It was
difficult but possible to overcome the various "Access is denied"s I got,
using non-Microsoft software. ISVs have a likely enhanced user demand
for software that lets people control a Windows that tells them they are
not allowed to do what they want. Economic prosperity is good, right?
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In France, HP is being sued for not selling OS-less computers. Is the
paying public waking up to the scam?

Alias
 
Alias said:
In France, HP is being sued for not selling OS-less computers. Is the
paying public waking up to the scam?

Alias
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PCLinuxOS has a very good newbie desktop and can be run live:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/page.php?7
If I packed Susse Linux Enterprise Desktop down firmly I could give
PCLinuxOS some volumes in my experimental box's Linux partition. Red
Hat's fedora dual boots with XP on my non-experimental computer.

Vista's boot is so swift compared to all the rest that I can see myself
getting sucked into it. It glows when you hover and gives you little
miniatures of the minimized windows. It is already obligatory bling,
I think, for the Boss class and I expect that the masses will adopt it
in emulation. Techies will roll their eyes as it percolates down.

"Jive me," is the pant hoot of the paying public. Wake up? Come on.

For a few hundred bucks I can run Vasti Utilmeta completely legit. I'm
not in China, so it'll cost me more than sixty cents. The alternative for me
would be spending a few thousand dollars on a souped up Apple box. I
have looked into that. They don't offer any with AMD processors, and
there is also the cloying cutsie-poo "I'm better than you" thing there. I'm
not saying I won't do it - move in amongst a better sort - just guessing
that they wouldn't like my evaluation of them or their neighborhood.
 
Alias said:
In France, HP is being sued for not selling OS-less computers. Is the
paying public waking up to the scam?

Alias
Click to expand...

PCLinuxOS has a very good newbie desktop and can be run live:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/page.php?7
If I packed Susse Linux Enterprise Desktop down firmly I could give
PCLinuxOS some volumes in my experimental box's Linux partition. Red
Hat's fedora dual boots with XP on my non-experimental computer.

Vista's boot is so swift compared to all the rest that I can see myself
getting sucked into it. It glows when you hover and gives you little
miniatures of the minimized windows. It is already obligatory bling,
I think, for the Boss class and I expect that the masses will adopt it
in emulation. Techies will roll their eyes as it percolates down.

"Jive me," is the pant hoot of the paying public. Wake up? Come on.

For a few hundred bucks I can run Vasti Utilmeta completely legit. I'm
not in China, so it'll cost me more than sixty cents. The alternative for me
would be spending a few thousand dollars on a souped up Apple box. I
have looked into that. They don't offer any with AMD processors, and
there is also the cloying cutsie-poo "I'm better than you" thing there. I'm
not saying I won't do it - move in amongst a better sort - just guessing
that they wouldn't like my evaluation of them or their neighborhood.
 
So, don't run Vista on an XP class machine!
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You haven't linked up the posts. A BadAxe board with an E6600, 2GB RAM and
all new SATA disks is hardly XP class.
It seems like people are complaining about all the features that aren't in
Vista and yet complain about the CPU and disk load from the features it
does have.
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I didn't see that. A comment was made that some people felt Vista was
running faster than XP on the same PC. I just commented that wasn't true
for me but I thought it might be the video drivers.
We want our OSs to do new things, to be more secure, to make our data
easier to find and yet we want it to perform if it was as lean as Windows
95.
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Absolutely, and RISC OS has consistently achieved that over several
upgrades. It is possible and it should be a target for MS. What is the
point of a new OS that requires a much higher level of HW *just to run the
OS* when apps run no faster. The OS should be lean and mean so that apps
have plenty of resource.
To expect an operating system with all the new features in Vista to
perform the same as XP on XP class software just doesn't make sense.
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You've misunderstood, see above.
 
Mike said:
That's what we have all been telling him. He obviously hasn't used
Vista.

It's just one of the many reasons we call him MicroBrain.

Mike
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Do you ever look at his headers? He has posted from Vista in the past.

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Mike said:
Is that supposed to automatically make him smart or something? If he
was posting from a Cray he would still be MicroBrain.

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past."
spoken by Nina DiBoy
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LOL, editing my sig. Are you a bit concious of things you've said in
the past mabey?

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"No, I'm not sure. I was just making fun of Chad's typo."
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