T
Taliesyn
measekite said:
B
Bob Headrick
Actually the nozzles on the #45 are laser ablated and part of the flexible
circuit that includes the electrical contacts.
regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
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Bob Headrick
Yianni said:
Accuracy probably, cost maybe
. As for it being easy to make a cartridge -it is not exactly a garage operation. While the underlying circuitry may be
similar to a simple NMOS or CMOS process there are several (or more)
non-standard layers, including the resistor material, the barrier layer that
provides the ink channels and the orifice material.
Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
B
Burt
Jon O'Brien said:
Jon - I went back and read the post - I inadvertantly misstated the author's
message. It was conjecture that it was a bit of cement that held certain
components together. The link is
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=241 . Interesting to see
a disassembled print head. I don't know if you can simply click the link or
if you have to sign in to the Nifty-stuff forum at
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ . Sign in and go through the threads.
The person who posted this info signs on as granddad35. I don't know what
his educational or professional background is, but he has a keen inquiring
mind and obviously has a fantastic array of scientific instruments at his
disposal. He recently posted magnified pictures of the dot pattern created
by an inkjet printer and compared them to a conventionally printed lab
photo. His magnifications were done with a microscope that projects a video
image which can he captured digitally. Some of what he evaluates and posts
is purely academic in nature, but many things have practical application as
well. He has developed and posted several custom profiles for combinations
of inks, papers, and specific printers. As I recall, he uses a Canon ip8500
and refills with Formulabs inks.
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measekite
Burt said:
is not really so nifty
Who really cares. It sure is not going to make one a better photographer.
An IP8500 definitely calls for Canon ink Canon ink is best. If you do
not believe me just ask Canon. They told me that Canon ink on Canon
Photo Paper Pro is best. Epson told me that Epson ink and their paper
is best. And HP told me that HP ink on HP paper is best. That is
certainly very good advice from more intelligent people than you will
find here in this ng.
Have a nice day you congregants.
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Frank
measekite wrote:
Get a life loser.
Frank
Have a nice day you congregants.
Get a life loser.
Frank
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Burt
measekite said:
Your opinion. Hundreds of people do like it. If , in your opinion, it
isn't so nifty then you can take your name off the list of participants.
You are a lurker on that forum and don't post questions or answers. You
just hang out there and then criticize it here. Gutless.
(snip)
Won't make one a worse photographer either. Some people enjoy fixed focus
point-and-shoot cameras and no-pc required printers or Costco kiosk prints.
Some want as much knowledge as they can gain about the entire process.
There's room for all skill and knowledge levels. Who are you to criticize
others who seek knowledge that you don't care about?
Don't tell that to the people who make excellent prints with MIS or
Formulabs inks with the ip8500. Their experience counts for more than your
untested opinion.
And GM cars are best - just ask a GM car dealer! Oh, no - Ford cars are
best - just ask a Ford dealer. I mean, Hundai cars are best - just ask a
Hundai dealer. I'm sure there are some very intelligent people who work for
the printer companies and promote their products. There are also some
remarkably intelligent people who participate in this NG. Your comment is
insulting to all who participate.
Have a nice day you congregants.
Thanks, we will. Actually, the last few days were really nice as we had a
vacation from your comments.
Z
zakezuke
And GM cars are best - just ask a GM car dealer! Oh, no - Ford cars are
The funny thing is he has a point, even if he missed the point. Often
papers are designed to bond well with a particular style of ink. In
this way it's possible that brand x ink with brand x papers might
produce a slighty better result. However, this is not to say that
canon/hp/epson have a monopoly on this concept, printing has been
around for a long time. Brush pen and ink folks know all of this
better than any of us.
The funny thing is he has a point, even if he missed the point. Often
papers are designed to bond well with a particular style of ink. In
this way it's possible that brand x ink with brand x papers might
produce a slighty better result. However, this is not to say that
canon/hp/epson have a monopoly on this concept, printing has been
around for a long time. Brush pen and ink folks know all of this
better than any of us.
B
Burt
zakezuke said:
I think that most of us would agree that each company has worked to design
their printers/papers/inks to function optimally together. Other
manufacturers have also created products that can work extremely with these
printers. Epson and Costco papers, at the low end of the paper market, work
extremely well with the Canon printers, and there are many high-end photo
and art papers that have proven to be totally compatable with various
printer/ink combinations. And then we get into the ink discussion!
Compatability of paper/ink with any particular manufacturer's printers is
not the manufacturer's exclusive domain. They will try, however, to
convince you that theirs are the only products to use with their printers.
That's what salespeople and tech reps get paid for, and the profits on these
products are what pays their salaries. We should understand that these folks
have a commercially driven bias when asked about their products.
J
Jon O'Brien
Interesting stuff. Thanks for the link.
Jon.
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Arthur Entlich
Someone just sent me the actual patent materials on this new head. The
documents are huge (some as big as 7 megs) so I don't know what's in
there yet, but could make for some interesting reading (or not) ;-)
Art
documents are huge (some as big as 7 megs) so I don't know what's in
there yet, but could make for some interesting reading (or not) ;-)
Art
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measekite
Frank said:
Yes U R
M
measekite
EVEN UBurt said:
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT U OR WHAT U SAY. U NIVER SAE DA HOLE TRUT
CANON SAYS DERE INK IS BEST. SINCE U R CALLEN CANON A LIAR DEN U DUNT
HAVE TO USE DERE PRINTER. GO BUY A TURD PARTY PRINTER OLD WON ORE MEEKE
UR OWEN.
AN IDIOT LIKE U CANNOT MAKE UP UR MIND.,
AND U ARE NOT ONE OF THEM
NOT BURTIE FURTIE OR FRANKIE CRANKIE OR CONGREGANTS
CANON SAYS DERE INK IS BEST FOR DERE PRINTER. HP SAYS DERE INK IS BEST
FOR DERE PRINTER. EPSON SAYS DERE INK IS BEST FOR DERRE PRINTER. IF U
ARE INSULTED THEN GO GET A FEATHER AND SOME TURN PARTY INK AND DRQW UR
OWN PICS.
HA HA HA
MEE TOOO I WAS AT THE NATIONAL CANON MARKETING STRATEGY CONFERENCE.
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measekite
zakezuke said:
YEAH, EVEN THOUGH I USE CANON INK WITH COSTCO KIRKLAND PAPER THOUGHT TO
BE ILFORD THE CANON INK ON CANON PHOTO PAPER PRO DOES PROVIDE EVER SO
SLIGHTLY BETTER RESULT BUT THAT IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE. SINCE THE COSTCO
PAPER DOES NOT JAM OR CLOG THE PRINTER THAT COMBINATION IS GOOD.
NOW IF THERE WAS A HIGH QUALITY AFTERMARKET BRANED INK SOLD IN PREFILLED
CARTS AND SOLD IN ALL MARKETING CHANNELS SO THEIR REPUTATION COULD BE
TRACKED AND QUALITY AND PROBLEMS VERIFIED I WOULD DEFINETLY CONSIDTER THAN.
THIS WOULD ALSO BE NICE. IF COSTCO WENT TO EPSON, HP AND CANON AND HAD
THEM PRIVATE BRAND KIRKLAND PRINTER SPECIFIC INK AND SOLD IT FOR 50% OF
THE MFG BRANDED INK THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC.
THAT CERTAINLY WOULD PUT A CRIMP IN THE WHORES.
M
measekite
Burt said:
OH YES
NOT AS GOOD AND A BETTER CHANCE TO CLOG THE PRINTER
CANON DOES SAY THAT ABOUT EPSON PAPERS
MOSTLY AND SAFELY
RIGHTLY SO
JUST LIKE SOME OF THE LURKER IN THIS NG.
M
measekite
Arthur said:
IF YOU LIKE WASTING YOUR TIME ON THAT STUFF.
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Burt
measekite said:
Would you consider a dictionary or spell checker?
If Canon privately labeled OEM ink for another firm you would never know it.
Same problem you complain about now with not knowing the source or
manufacturer. As an MBA from Stanford you should know that.
Measekite likes his whores crimped! Kinky
B
Burt
measekite said:
??????? some third world country dialect? Baby talk? I didn't call Canon a
liar. I said that their reps have a vested intrest in touting their
products. As do Epson, HP, Ford, GM, Hundai, etc. Are they liars? Welcome
to the marketplace, Mr. Stanford MBA.
(snip)
Their marketing tactics are not insulting, your comment about the people on
this NG not being as intelligent as the printer company reps is. You get an
"F" in reading comprehension, spelling, and fake dialect creative writing.
Back to bonehead English.
M
measekite
Burt said:
like ur wife
M
measekite
fotofreek talkBurt said:
if u want to tulk bout crs den goto car.ng
DA TRUTH. SOME ARE UR NOT
HAHAHAHAHA DA JERK KEEPS RESPONDING