How to get the New Build of Vist Beta 2

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Raven,

"There is no advantage for the average user to get 5472 of the beta."

You're kidding...right?

5472 is a giant leap...

Put the pipe down.
 
Keep in mind that neither of the builds is intended for production use. It
is beta evaluation software so in that sense there is no advantage to the
user. There is advantage to MS in that users can report bugs on a more up
to date build.
 
If the user is a Windows enthusiast than I think there would be the
advantage of exploring the diffrences, and the perspetive of the Beta taking
some leaps forward and some leaps back, just as many of us enjoy cojparing
versions of software.

CH
 
"Only Microsoft approved beta testers have access to new VISTA interim
builds."
Why?
 
To give the air of elitism and entitlement and to build potential sales
curiosity. Believe me, of the 25000-30,000 , only a small percentage of them
in the single digits are thorougly in depth Windows users. Only it's not
going to work this time. There is an avalanche of MVPs and major Vista book
authors and MSFT's own (until he went to a new company) most famous blogger
who himself is a long time VB MVP and thoroughly knows Windows and other
OS's telling them it's in such terrible shape they need to delay it. I
predict it will. If not, many of us will go as wide as possible pointing out
the major features that don't work, something the 2-3 MVPs here choose not
to do. Either they haven't tried the features or choose to cheerlead and
keep quiet about them. Not the rest of us.

MSFT is so paranoid about adverse Vista publicity that they

1) Refuse to post information on these features in Vista--major features
that don't work well
2) Keep it at the level of a cheer leading (insulting to an elementary
school student) Product Guide.
3) Will not make bugs public on Connect. If they will not let you access
your bugs and other CPP bugs on Connect, then ask yourself how serious they
are about the myth of public feedback. Public feedback matters in your
dreams. And if it were one way, then they are sure showing you how muhc
regard they have for getting *you information.
4) The technical writers assigned on their teams as both community liasons
and technical writers have done next to nothing in putting information out
on the MSFT sites. I have seen people who are writing major books on Vista
complain that they cannot get info on Vista out of MSFT as they could on XP.
This is another reason delay is the only appropriate choice for MSFT.

SFC does not work in the latest build, RC1 5487.0.060726-1810 released to
TAP testers on Wednesday August 2, 2006. It is a very disappointing build
to many who have seen it, and used it. Yesterday I had the chance to do
that because one wanted to show me how lacking and not ready for prime time
and how unlike the RC's in XP it was. I also put both RC1 and RC2 on my box
and tested it again. Big difference.

SFC still does not work.

Win RE does not work much of the time if you break the OS and get into a no
boot situation by deleting major boot strap files, but in XP Repair Install
works 100% of the time, unless you have situations like systemic distruction
of partitions, or a boot loader from Linux like Grub or Lilo that blocks
getting into repair install setup.

CH
 
You can get it from multiple souurces on the net, just google on "Windows
Vista Beta 2 5384 torrent".

I haven't downloaded a copy, because I don't know which ones have viruses or
spy ware in them.

I also assume that I could use my Beta 2 product key, but I don't know that.

Todd
 
I agree with the enjoyment but I was commenting more about utility than
pleasure.
 
Chad,
your comments might be valid b/c I noticed that some threads that are a bit
'touchy' die a very quick natural death ie. they are ignored. In this
thread I asked Carey Frisch a question and I cannot get an answer.
 
Ken said:
Raven,

"There is no advantage for the average user to get 5472 of the beta."

You're kidding...right?

5472 is a giant leap...

Put the pipe down.
Click to expand...

Again...the idea is that it isn't worth the $800 to purchase the higher tier
for beta testing, not that it wasn't a better build.

Please, next time you quote me, use it in the context of the message, not
something you can poke around with just to post a message that makes it look
like you know what you're talking about.

"5472 is a giant leap into StarTrek-type computing"

That's a pretty stupid thing to say, don't you think?

What I was saying in my post, again, just in case you didn't get it in the
last 3 times I said it, as is obvious in your ignorance, is that I think it
is not an advantage for the person to get build 5472 when they would have to
pay a huge amount of money to do so. That is WHY Microsoft DOES it the way
they do. They are more interested in the developers having a higher build
than Joe Schmoe on the street. If Joey wants to pay the price for the
higher build, that's fine, but I was giving an opinion, of which I care not
whether you agree with, that I don't think it to be worth the price for
them. It would make purchasing Vista actually cost more than purchasing the
real distributions of most Linux flavors, which I didn't think was possible.
 
Thank you Colin. You put it very eloquently...but I believe your typing to
be in vane as he simply wanted to try to show that he "knows something"

The children on this ng are getting more annoying by the day.

Where have all the great men gone? They've gone to bangkok for a sex change
and become mediocre women.
 
Chad,

While I agree with your comment, I still say, even for an "enthusiast", the
price is pretty high for getting that next step. I do my radio program
every week, so I wasn't required to pay the money out of pocket, but I doubt
I would if I had to.
 
Perhaps in an overview it does have some industry important features
rather than marketing or bug finding?

One of the things that springs to mind is a willingness for others to
participate.

In many ways this is a two-edged sword but one in which people are
asking and perhaps developing at a personal level in some things
computational?

Perhaps there is an aspect that is very much Visual Studio Express related?

(I wonder if VSX C#, VSX VB and so forth will have a Vista 32 bit, 64
bit flavour available soon? As, one hopes, will the Expression Suite of
applications?)
 
II,

Intel Inside said:
Chad,
your comments might be valid b/c I noticed that some threads that are a
bit 'touchy' die a very quick natural death ie. they are ignored. In this
thread I asked Carey Frisch a question and I cannot get an answer.
Click to expand...

One thing to note here:

Just because someone advertises that they are MVP does not mean they have
anything to do with developing Windows Vista. Also, some people actually
have lives, so they don't read this ng, which, just for the record, is not
really monitored (or I have yet to see any proof that it IS) by the Vista
developers. It is simply a place for users to help each other. So Ms
Frisch (I'm assuming, here, that "Carey" is the female version of the
name...) may not even have seen your post, let alone thought it was
something she could answer.

Anyone who wants to advertise their "MVPness" want to explain to people
what, exactly, the MVP means for folks? It WOULD be nice if this came from
someone who IS an MVP, just because they are the ones who know what it means
to throw that on the sigline in their posts.
 
That seems to be a very reasonable answer.

Some builds are internal, some are for a yet wider audience and some are
customer previews.

It seems to be, and gives all the appearance of being, a well managed
roll-out
 
The ng is getting poisoned by the drumbeat of negativity. I'm not saying
folks aren't entitled to a viewpoint but it just doesn't move the
conversation forward. It just doesn't do anything but perpetuate urban
legends about Windows and MS. I don't know where any of us comes by the
view that Windows is anything but a property owned by a large corporation
for its profit. I hate negativity and obstructionism.
 
The fundamental principal behind the MVP program is that it is a program to
institutionalize the roles of voluntary helpers.

MS identifies persons who give help and advice to users of a product through
both MS newsgroups and non-MS forums, their own websites and blogs, and
almost any other channel imaginable.

MS provides MVPs with all kinds of communications channels and software to
assist them in becoming more proficient in helping users in the area of
interest of the MVP. This often means direct communication with developers,
program managers, senior program managers, and fairly high ranking MS
personnel (as far up as Jim Alchin) through both structured and unstructured
opportunities.

I became an MVP because I helped others in the virtualization newsgroups and
in the xp general newsgroups. It also helped that I contributed heavily to
http://vpc.visualwin.com/.

The key to becoming and being an MVP is to be a helper. Nothing more.

The MVP award is for
 
Colin;
It ebbs; and flows;like a pendulum.
Have been in this particular NG;for a long time;ppl come and go; and as this
is a Microsoft NG; all in all; I've gained some great knowledge; especially
from ppl like yourself;who usually; impart excellent advice.
And there may be some validity in these views; however negative they may
be.
Oh off topic;while I'm thinking of it.
KP suggested a Virtual server???? for Vista; I'm trying to see what
would work in Vista; and;as this is your area of expertise;
Any suggestions????
Jeff
 
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The key to becoming and being an MVP is to be a helper. Nothing more.
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*a few more snips*

Right. Thanks Colin.

Again, my point was to say to IntelInside that people with "MVP" in their
sigs are not, none of them I've met anyways, employed by MS or involved
directly with developing or distributing Windows Vista. So to say that
there is some sort of corporate coverup regarding Vista functionaility
because one of the MVPs didn't respond to a post here in the ng is just
another one of the things that are making these NGs harder to skim through
trying to find actual content that one might be looking for. It is actually
a case FOR weeding out the messages on the NG. I would feel sorry for
anyone having to deal with the moderation, but to be honest, I think MS
should shut down these NGs and start over just to lose half of the annoying
"MS sucks" posts. Someone said a few threads ago that it's worth the effort
when you find some that DO help, but it would be nice to have somewhere that
sorted the wheat from the chaff, ya know?

;)

Give a man a fire and he's warm for the night. Light a man on fire and he's
warm for the rest of his life...
 
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