M
Mikey
What are the main differences?
How do they compare to the Epson R300?
Many Thanks
Mike
How do they compare to the Epson R300?
Many Thanks
Mike
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M
measekite
The IP5000 relative to the IP4000 has higher resolution, significantly
better text and business printing, marginally inferior photo printing
and is slower. Both are better than the R300.
My friend, who bought an Epson R300 even though he knew that the Canon
IP4000 produced better text and photos, did so because CD Direct
Printing was an absolute requirement. That was the main reason for
buying a photo inkjet.
better text and business printing, marginally inferior photo printing
and is slower. Both are better than the R300.
My friend, who bought an Epson R300 even though he knew that the Canon
IP4000 produced better text and photos, did so because CD Direct
Printing was an absolute requirement. That was the main reason for
buying a photo inkjet.
R
regu
The IP5000 relative to the IP4000 has higher resolution,
agreed..
using -for text - BCI3e black cartridges
at 600 dpi - I have only a IP4000- but if you have tried both ...
better, not much though..
and I avoid Ever Pestering Sucking Obturated Nozzless as the plague..
I'm the owner of a I965 and a IP4000, both excellent for their purposes.
Lucky me, for this time being in Europe, so I got CD printing with the
IP4000 and I965..
Cheers
Arturo
agreed..
I doubt if you can tell the difference between them. Both printerssignificantly better text and business printing...
using -for text - BCI3e black cartridges
at 600 dpi - I have only a IP4000- but if you have tried both ...
Do you think the IP4000 is better than the IP5000.? It should be a bitmarginally inferior photo printing ..
better, not much though..
I can't tell, my experience with the Epson on the past has been a nightmareand is slower. agreed..
Both are better than the R300.--
and I avoid Ever Pestering Sucking Obturated Nozzless as the plague..
I'm the owner of a I965 and a IP4000, both excellent for their purposes.
My friend, who bought an Epson R300 even though he knew that the Canon
IP4000 produced better text and photos, did so because CD Direct
Printing was an absolute requirement. That was the main reason for
buying a photo inkjet.
Lucky me, for this time being in Europe, so I got CD printing with the
IP4000 and I965..
Cheers
Arturo
S
SteveB
I may be in the market for a new printer soon, I have stacks of paper that
suits my HP5550 like Ilford Printasia glossy and Kodak Premium Picture Paper
glossy, I'm fairly sure it will be quite good used with an R200/300 (a
friend with one tried it), but what would the IP4000 make of it? Is it like
the older Canons that only really work good with Canon's instant dry stuff?
Canon paper is rather expensive in the U.K. and I don't like the fading
issues I hear about. Will my paper be any good or not?
suits my HP5550 like Ilford Printasia glossy and Kodak Premium Picture Paper
glossy, I'm fairly sure it will be quite good used with an R200/300 (a
friend with one tried it), but what would the IP4000 make of it? Is it like
the older Canons that only really work good with Canon's instant dry stuff?
Canon paper is rather expensive in the U.K. and I don't like the fading
issues I hear about. Will my paper be any good or not?
M
measekite
The droplet size on the IP5000 is 1 picoliter and uses higherregu said:I doubt if you can tell the difference between them. Both printers
using -for text - BCI3e black cartridges
at 600 dpi - I have only a IP4000- but if you have tried both ...
resolution. The text is significantly better when looking a the same
thing side by side. That does NOT translate to the photos where the
IP4000 is marginally better but much faster.
M
measekite
SteveB said:I may be in the market for a new printer soon, I have stacks of paper that
suits my HP5550 like Ilford Printasia glossy and Kodak Premium Picture Paper
glossy,
Kodak does not work well with Canon. Canon told me that Epson standard
glossy works fine. I hear that Costco/Kirkland also works well.
C
colinco
The droplet size on the IP5000 is 1 picoliter and uses higher
resolution. The text is significantly better when looking a the same
thing side by side. That does NOT translate to the photos where the
IP4000 is marginally better but much faster.
[/QUOTE]
That is what's wrong with the PCMag result.
Ordinary black Text on both the iP4000 and iP5000 on plain paper
settings use the same pigmented ink and the same 600x600 resolution set
of nozzles. Nothing to do with 1 picoliter, probably not even as small
as 2 pl. The Black pigmented ink nozzles aren't used on PHOTO paper
settings.
Business publications on plain paper should look the same.
On PHOTO paper settings the iP4000 can achieve 2pl 4800 x 1200
resolution and the iP5000 on highest quality 1pl 9600 x 2400.
The iP5000 on high quality should be better than the iP4000 at the
expense of speed.
Has anyone else tested the 2 printers together and got the same results?
resolution. The text is significantly better when looking a the same
thing side by side. That does NOT translate to the photos where the
IP4000 is marginally better but much faster.
[/QUOTE]
That is what's wrong with the PCMag result.
Ordinary black Text on both the iP4000 and iP5000 on plain paper
settings use the same pigmented ink and the same 600x600 resolution set
of nozzles. Nothing to do with 1 picoliter, probably not even as small
as 2 pl. The Black pigmented ink nozzles aren't used on PHOTO paper
settings.
Business publications on plain paper should look the same.
On PHOTO paper settings the iP4000 can achieve 2pl 4800 x 1200
resolution and the iP5000 on highest quality 1pl 9600 x 2400.
The iP5000 on high quality should be better than the iP4000 at the
expense of speed.
Has anyone else tested the 2 printers together and got the same results?
M
Mikey
I thought the IP5000 would be higher quality with the smaller droplet size.
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
Ordinary black Text on both the iP4000 and iP5000 on plain paper
settings use the same pigmented ink and the same 600x600 resolution set
of nozzles. Nothing to do with 1 picoliter, probably not even as small
as 2 pl. The Black pigmented ink nozzles aren't used on PHOTO paper
settings.
Business publications on plain paper should look the same.
On PHOTO paper settings the iP4000 can achieve 2pl 4800 x 1200
resolution and the iP5000 on highest quality 1pl 9600 x 2400.
The iP5000 on high quality should be better than the iP4000 at the
expense of speed.
Has anyone else tested the 2 printers together and got the same results?[/QUOTE]
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
That is what's wrong with the PCMag result.colinco said:The droplet size on the IP5000 is 1 picoliter and uses higher
resolution. The text is significantly better when looking a the same
thing side by side. That does NOT translate to the photos where the
IP4000 is marginally better but much faster.
Ordinary black Text on both the iP4000 and iP5000 on plain paper
settings use the same pigmented ink and the same 600x600 resolution set
of nozzles. Nothing to do with 1 picoliter, probably not even as small
as 2 pl. The Black pigmented ink nozzles aren't used on PHOTO paper
settings.
Business publications on plain paper should look the same.
On PHOTO paper settings the iP4000 can achieve 2pl 4800 x 1200
resolution and the iP5000 on highest quality 1pl 9600 x 2400.
The iP5000 on high quality should be better than the iP4000 at the
expense of speed.
Has anyone else tested the 2 printers together and got the same results?[/QUOTE]
L
Larry
I thought the IP5000 would be higher quality with the smaller droplet size.
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
If you go by the specifications, the IP5000 is a better printer.
However:
In actual performance tests it seems the IP 4000 is a little better.
Shouldn't be that way, but its what the reviewers have said.
I use the IP 4000, and I expected to only use it for charts & graphs ect.
After printing a few photos I find it hard to tell (or impossible) the
difference between the output of an I950, an I960, and the IP 4000.
C
Caitlin
I thought the IP5000 would be higher quality with the smaller droplet
size.
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
If you go by the specifications, the IP5000 is a better printer.
However:
In actual performance tests it seems the IP 4000 is a little better.
Shouldn't be that way, but its what the reviewers have said.
As far as I know that is what ONE review has said. I wonder if that could
have been on an early review model - and some kinks could have been ironed
out in the meantime? As said - based on the specks it just doesn;t make
sense. I think someone would need to look at two photo prints side by side
to verify this. I have my doubts it is true (Though I think the image
quality of my IP4000 is very good)
C
colinco
I thought the IP5000 would be higher quality with the smaller droplet size.
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
[/QUOTE]
Get the 4000 save £40.00 and you probably won't ever notice the
differance. Local stores have the Canon swatches of 6x4 sample prints
from each model, all cunningly different so direct comparisons are
difficult but all acceptable. Concentrate on the subject, that has more
impact.
On Canon's website the speed of the two printers are identical, although I
can understand that the smaller droplet size may slow the printer down.
I'm more confused that ever.
Which one should I buy?
The IP4000 @ £92.00 Delivered
or
The IP5000 @ £132.76 Delivered
Cheers
[/QUOTE]
Get the 4000 save £40.00 and you probably won't ever notice the
differance. Local stores have the Canon swatches of 6x4 sample prints
from each model, all cunningly different so direct comparisons are
difficult but all acceptable. Concentrate on the subject, that has more
impact.
L
Larry
As far as I know that is what ONE review has said. I wonder if that could
have been on an early review model - and some kinks could have been ironed
out in the meantime? As said - based on the specks it just doesn;t make
sense. I think someone would need to look at two photo prints side by side
to verify this. I have my doubts it is true (Though I think the image
quality of my IP4000 is very good)
When I bought my IP4000 I also Bought an IP5000.
There was not a big enough difference (or any that I could see) in the
quality from one to the other.
I returned the ip 5000 and got a second ip4000.
This was BEFORE I read any reviews.
Im sure there is some printing job for which the 5000 is better, it just
didn't impress me enought to be worth the extra $70 (US) (the price
difference at the time).
M
measekite
PCmag tested these 2 printers against each other.
The small droplet size with the better resolution helped make the IP5000
substantially better at business documents and graphics. For some
reason the IP4000 produce marginally better photos.
The IP4000 was faster. It is a better value if you have a choice. I
bought the IP4000 and am glad I did.
The small droplet size with the better resolution helped make the IP5000
substantially better at business documents and graphics. For some
reason the IP4000 produce marginally better photos.
The IP4000 was faster. It is a better value if you have a choice. I
bought the IP4000 and am glad I did.
M
Mikey
Thanks to everyone who answered.
Will be getting the IP4000,.
Now to pick a good compatible ink. At 99p a cart it's a bargain.
Thanks again.
Mike
Will be getting the IP4000,.
Now to pick a good compatible ink. At 99p a cart it's a bargain.
Thanks again.
Mike
L
Larry
Thanks to everyone who answered.
Will be getting the IP4000,.
Now to pick a good compatible ink. At 99p a cart it's a bargain.
Thanks again.
Mike
There is no bargain ink.
Cheap ink will clog up a Canon printer just like it will an Epson.
Learn to refill (with the Canons its a piece of cake) and use Formulabs or
inksupply.com.
OEM ink is best, but good 3rd party inks are around.
Most of the low price "compatible" carts are NOT filled with high quality
ink.
B
Burt
I've used Inksupply's MIS inks to refill OEM cartridges very successfully.
I have one i960 printer with MIS inks and one with original canon inks. I
recently did a few prints on each from the same photo files. Couldn't tell
the difference!
I have one i960 printer with MIS inks and one with original canon inks. I
recently did a few prints on each from the same photo files. Couldn't tell
the difference!
M
measekite
colinco said:Get the 4000 save £40.00 and you probably won't ever notice the
differance. Local stores have the Canon swatches of 6x4 sample prints
from each model, all cunningly different so direct comparisons are
difficult but all acceptable. Concentrate on the subject, that has more
impact.
The choice is really an easy one. If the majority of you printing is
business type documents and graphics then go for the IP5000. If the
majority is photos then go for the IP4000.
M
Mikey
Hi there Burt.
As to www.Inksupply.com What inks would I buy to rifill?
Cheers
Mike
As to www.Inksupply.com What inks would I buy to rifill?
Cheers
Mike
Burt said:I've used Inksupply's MIS inks to refill OEM cartridges very successfully.
I have one i960 printer with MIS inks and one with original canon inks. I
recently did a few prints on each from the same photo files. Couldn't tell
the difference!
M
Mikey
Just noticed the address is US.
Any reccomended INK shops In the UK?
Cheers
Mike
Any reccomended INK shops In the UK?
Cheers
Mike
Burt said:I've used Inksupply's MIS inks to refill OEM cartridges very successfully.
I have one i960 printer with MIS inks and one with original canon inks. I
recently did a few prints on each from the same photo files. Couldn't tell
the difference!
B
Burt
Mikey - I am not aware of any in the UK, but you can review the posts in
this NG and you may find one for UK availability. You may also look for
vendors who sell Formulabs inks in the UK. They are supposed to be quite
good also. You might also contact the MIS vendor for advice. The inks they
resell are manufactured by someone else, so they may not know who sells this
product in the UK. Read this site -
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html - great info on canon
printers, and then click on the nifty-stuff link, sign in to the forum, and
ask the question there as well. Read the posts in the Nifty-Stuff forum as
this will help you with deciding about refilling and trouble-shooting when
you do.
this NG and you may find one for UK availability. You may also look for
vendors who sell Formulabs inks in the UK. They are supposed to be quite
good also. You might also contact the MIS vendor for advice. The inks they
resell are manufactured by someone else, so they may not know who sells this
product in the UK. Read this site -
http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html - great info on canon
printers, and then click on the nifty-stuff link, sign in to the forum, and
ask the question there as well. Read the posts in the Nifty-Stuff forum as
this will help you with deciding about refilling and trouble-shooting when
you do.
Mikey said:Just noticed the address is US.
Any reccomended INK shops In the UK?
Cheers
Mike