How many harddrives have died on you in your lifetime?

Rod Speed · Jun 20, 2006

Gank said:
Mxsmanic wrote

Me too.

I have a 120mm fan directly in front of the HDD's too, mind
you both my 120mm fans are volt modded but I demand a
quiet PC so there is nothing more I can do to lower the temps.

Yes there is, dont modify the fan and have a free slot between the drives.

Are you using Everest to monitor the temps or some other app?

Doesnt matter, its reporting the SMART temp.

Geoff · Jun 20, 2006

The hard disk had a bad sector, I downloaded western digital's tools and ran
them. It claims to have marked off the bad sectors, etc. and yet, I got
smart drive errors on bootup. So, I downloaded the seagate tools and ran
those but got the same smart drive errors. Finally, I ran spinrite, I do
not know if it did something else but it did mark off a bad sector. After
that, the drive errors went away.

The other thing spinrite does is recover data. If a sector is bad, spinrite
will move the data to a new sector and try to recover lost data by doing
things like throwing heads at a sector from different distances, etc.

For me, it is worth the money but each person has to make their own decision
about it.

-g

Jack F. Twist · Jun 20, 2006

Gank said:
See my other post. What are you guys doing with your PC's? Running word
and a web browser isn't going to raise temps, run some graphically
intensive 3D games and you will see all the temps in your PC drastically
rise. Sure, my HDD tmps are under 30c right now but the PC has only been
on for five minutes and I haven't been playing a 3D game for hours. I have
120mm intake and 120mm outtake in an Antec Lanboy case.

Cooling is not determined just by the size of an intake fan. Is
the Lanboy's intake fan housed in its drive cage, or does it at
least blow directly into the drive cage? If not, it's probably not
providing much airflow over the drives. Also, if you have more
than one drive in a cage without adequate space between them,
this will severely impair airflow. And if your room temps are
high, all the airflow in the world isn't going to help very much.
You're going to get (as a ballpark range) 25-30F over ambient
temps for your drives at a minimum (under full load). So to
keep drive temps below 35C (95F) requires a max room temp
of 65-70F.

gui · Jun 20, 2006

Probably from carelessly scratching the protective tape on a Western
Digital hard drive. I didn't know better but that easily kills a
drive. I tried spraying WD-40 in there to free any sticky mechanisms
but no go. So I sprayed a whole bunch of WD-40 in there and it just
kept clicking. Oh well.

Another one swallows the wd-40 advertising campaign.

John Doe · Jun 20, 2006

gui said:
John Doe wrote:

Another one swallows the wd-40 advertising campaign.

I agree their advertising campaign was pretty effective, I think
about it whenever I'm using their product.

"Frees sticky mechanisms..."

Gank · Jun 20, 2006

The hard disk had a bad sector, I downloaded western digital's tools and ran
them. It claims to have marked off the bad sectors, etc. and yet, I got
smart drive errors on bootup. So, I downloaded the seagate tools and ran
those but got the same smart drive errors. Finally, I ran spinrite, I do
not know if it did something else but it did mark off a bad sector. After
that, the drive errors went away.

The other thing spinrite does is recover data. If a sector is bad, spinrite
will move the data to a new sector and try to recover lost data by doing
things like throwing heads at a sector from different distances, etc.

For me, it is worth the money but each person has to make their own decision
about it.

-g

OK, thx for then info.

Gank · Jun 21, 2006

Yes there is, dont modify the fan and have a free slot between the drives.

There is a free slot and running the fans at full speed is out of the
question. Having a quiet PC is what I want, not a PC that sounds like a
vacuum cleaner.

Gank · Jun 21, 2006

Then you likely have the drives mounted adjacent with
no free slot between

No, I don't.

Irrelevant to the drive temp if its getting external air over it.

No, it isn't irrelevant. If the ambient temp of the case rises then so
does the HDD temp.

Gaming shouldnt have any real effect on the drive temp either.

Obviously coming from someone who is not a gamer.

Rod Speed · Jun 21, 2006

Gank said:
Rod Speed wrote

No, I don't.

No you dont what ? Presumably you are saying that there
is a free bay between the drives. If that is so, and you are
allegedly blowing external air over the drives, and the drives
still dont go below 40C, then you must have something badly
stuffed up like another fan blowing into the case too, so there
isnt much external air getting past the drives.

No, it isn't irrelevant.

Fraid so.

If the ambient temp of the case rises then so does the HDD temp.

NOT IF THE DRIVES HAVE EXTERNAL AIR FLOWING OVER THEM.

The ambient temp of the case is irrelevant,
its the temp of the external air that matters.

Thats nothing like your original.

Obviously coming from someone who is not a gamer.

Its only disk intensive stuff that should see the drive temp increase much
IF THE DRIVES ARE GETTING EXTERNAL AIR FLOW OVER THEM.

You'll certainly see the drive temps increase if you are getting internal
case air flowing over them instead because you have another fan that
is also pumping air into the case so there isnt much external air flowing
over the drives.

Rod Speed · Jun 21, 2006

Gank said:
Rod Speed wrote

There is a free slot and running the fans
at full speed is out of the question.

Then get a bigger quiet fan.

Having a quiet PC is what I want, not a
PC that sounds like a vacuum cleaner.

There's plenty of decent volume larger fans that dont.

Gank · Jun 22, 2006

Then get a bigger quiet fan.

You don't read too well. I already said I'm using front/back 120mm fans!
Quiet fans are only quiet because they run at low rpm, just like my volt
mod is doing. I was running my PC playing a 2D game for hours last
night and the temp of the Seagate was 39c and the Samsung was 36c. It's
when I run graphics intensive 3D games that they get over 40c. I expect
the only game you play is program manager so I probably know more about
this shit than you.

Gank · Jun 22, 2006

You'll certainly see the drive temps increase if you are getting internal
case air flowing over them instead because you have another fan that
is also pumping air into the case so there isnt much external air flowing
over the drives.

I expect you are using some vid card like a cheap ass Radeon 9200 and
don't realize just how much a top end 3D card can raise the ambient temps.
If the ambient temp rises then so does the HDD temp. Just like all your
temps will rise when it is a hot day.

Rod Speed · Jun 22, 2006

Gank said:
Rod Speed wrote

I expect you are using some vid card like a cheap ass Radeon 9200 and
don't realize just how much a top end 3D card can raise the ambient temps.

THE VIDEO CARD IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IF
THE DRIVES ARE GETTING EXTERNAL AIR OVER THEM.

If the ambient temp rises then so does the HDD temp.
Just like all your temps will rise when it is a hot day.

Nothing to do with your stupid pig ignorant claim that
the drive temp will increase with more heat generated
by stuff like video cards.

Rod Speed · Jun 22, 2006

Gank said:
Rod Speed wrote

You don't read too well.

You couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

I already said I'm using front/back 120mm fans!

THERE ARE BIGGER FANS THAN THAT.

Quiet fans are only quiet because they run at low rpm,

Wrong, as always.

just like my volt mod is doing.

Wrong, as always.

I was running my PC playing a 2D game for hours last night
and the temp of the Seagate was 39c and the Samsung was 36c.
It's when I run graphics intensive 3D games that they get over 40c.

THEN THE FAN CLEARLY ISNT PUMPING EXTERNAL AIR OVER
THE DRIVES, ITS INTERNAL AIR THATS MOVING OVER THE DRIVES.

Most likely because you have both of those fans pumping into
the case, so the one thats in front of the drives ISNT ACTUALLY
MOVING MUCH EXTERNAL AIR OVER THE DRIVES.

I expect the only game you play is program manager
so I probably know more about this shit than you.

You're clearly so stupid that you cant even manage to grasp THAT
IF THE FAN IS MOVING EXTERNAL AIR OVER THE DRIVES IT
DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU ARE RUNNING GAMES WISE.

Mxsmanic · Jun 22, 2006

Rod said:
THE VIDEO CARD IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IF
THE DRIVES ARE GETTING EXTERNAL AIR OVER THEM.

Anything that generates heat is relevant.

jt3 · Jun 22, 2006

Only initially. It has a semi-drying oil in it that serves as the
protectant, which thickens with time and exposure to air.
One of the most effective ways of destroying a manual typewriter was to try
lubricating it with WD-40.

Hth,
Joe

John Doe · Jun 22, 2006

I don't use WD-40 as a lubricant. In fact, one of its applications
is to remove grease. I use it for displacing water, cleaning,
removing sticky stuff like tape residue on scissors/whatever,
removing permanent marker ink, and "freeing sticky mechanisms" of
coarse.

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Only initially. It has a semi-drying oil in it that serves as the
protectant, which thickens with time and exposure to air.
One of the most effective ways of destroying a manual typewriter was to try
lubricating it with WD-40.

Hth,
Joe

Rod Speed · Jun 22, 2006

Mxsmanic said:
Rod Speed writes

Anything that generates heat is relevant.

No it isnt when its downstream of the fan
thats moving EXTERNAL AIR over the drives.

There's no way for heat thats coming from the video
card to go upstream against that external air flow.

He's guaranteed to have both fans pumping air into the
case, so there is actually **** all EXTERNAL AIR over
the drives. THATS why the drive temp increases when
he's gaming, the fans are actually moving INTERNAL
AIR over the drives and not EXTERNAL AIR.

jt3 · Jun 22, 2006

Yes, works well for that. Just that you want to avoid its use in any place
where fine or delicate movement of parts is involved.

Joe

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Only initially. It has a semi-drying oil in it that serves as the
protectant, which thickens with time and exposure to air.
One of the most effective ways of destroying a manual typewriter was to try
lubricating it with WD-40.

Hth,
Joe

John Doe said:

I agree their advertising campaign was pretty effective, I think
about it whenever I'm using their product.

"Frees sticky mechanisms..."

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John Doe · Jun 22, 2006

Again, that depends on the purpose.

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Yes, works well for that. Just that you want to avoid its use in any place
where fine or delicate movement of parts is involved.

Joe

How many harddrives have died on you in your lifetime?

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