House design layout freeware?

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jo said:
And before too long the content of the group becomes so diluted that we
might as well change the name to alt.comp.software.

We do not have much problems with people recommending payware.

We have problems with heated debates about principles and definitions.
That takes too much space and creates a bad atmosphere.

Accepting the reality instead of fighting an endless war to protect some
kind of purity which doesn't exist would simplify our lives and reduce
the disturbing fights over principles and definitions.
 
We do not have much problems with people recommending payware.

We have some. Perhaps more than we did. Sometimes we see payware
programs suggested even when there are freeware alternatives.
We have problems with heated debates about principles and definitions.
That takes too much space and creates a bad atmosphere.

Hell, you're right, Roger - what *are* we doing talking about freeware
in a freeware group? Seriously, this is the place for the
never-ending debate about what is and isn't freeware. It isn't just
about suggesting answers to someone's software needs, though it's that
too, of course.

I suggest that most of us here have an interest in freeware and in the
freeware movement that goes beyond a text editor or a graphics
manipulation program that we don't have to pay for. Some here have
seemed to wish to decry the freeware principle in the last few days as
if holding principles was a bad thing. It isn't.

Have a look at http://www.faifzilla.org/ if you haven't already done
so. It's free. It's even covered by the GNU Free Documentation
License.
Accepting the reality instead of fighting an endless war to protect some
kind of purity which doesn't exist would simplify our lives and reduce
the disturbing fights over principles and definitions.

How impure d'you want to be, Roger? Adware? Crippleware? Spyware?
Commercialware?

I don't think it's the arguments that make life so difficult. We're
here to debate, among other things. It's when people take an
intolerant, dictatorial and authoritarian stance that it becomes so
unpleasant. I read a.c.f because I have an interest in freeware and
wish to communicate with others who are like-minded. I feel quite
strongly about it and would wish to see the good name of true freeware
unsullied by the scammers of one kind or another. I don't see why
that view shouldn't be defended in alt.comp.freeware, of all places.
 
We do not have much problems with people recommending payware.

Disagreed, that's open for discussion, I say we do have those problems.
We have problems with heated debates about principles and definitions.

Disagreed, when non-freeware is suggested/recommended in this newsgroup, a
discussion is bound to start about the purpose of this newsgroup.
That takes too much space and creates a bad atmosphere.

If people would stop recommending non-freeware, the discussions wouldn't
take so much space.
Accepting the reality instead of fighting an endless war to protect some
kind of purity which doesn't exist would simplify our lives and reduce
the disturbing fights over principles and definitions.

I'm pretty sure people in alt.comp.shareware would also be very pleased
with freeware suggestions, so one can ask his questions there.
If someone can't find a freeware solution here, he/she could go to
alt.comp.shareware to find a non-freeware solution if she/he wants that.
This newsgroup is still alt.comp.freeware, there are plenty of other
newsgroups people can turn to if they want a non-freeware solution.
 
Roger said:
I don't think so. This group has already worked like this for years and
we still talk mainly about freeware. I only described how it is already
working.

It works like that to a certain extent. Saying: 'this is OK', gives the
impression that it is OK and sets a precedent for the next time someone
comes along and offers another description of 'how it works'.
Which is a step along the path to alt.comp.software
Accepting a more flexible definition would simply reduce the number of
complaints and heated discussions initiated by the guardians of pure
principles.

Not true. And... er, thats partly what this group is about.
 
Roger said:
Accepting the reality instead of fighting an endless war to protect some
kind of purity which doesn't exist would simplify our lives and reduce
the disturbing fights over principles and definitions.

Do you live your life as the unprincipled wimp that you define above?
 
Accepting the reality instead of fighting an endless war to protect some
kind of purity which doesn't exist would simplify our lives and reduce
the disturbing fights over principles and definitions.

<scribbling this down>
 
Chrissy Cruiser said:
<scribbling this down>


I can go one step further. If we stopped fighting an endless
war between purists and pragmatists about the purity that doesn't exists
we could maybe have a much cleaner and nicer newsgroup (world).
And the purists would be a lot happier without even having to fight for
it.

This is a very old problem in the history of mankind, and there _is_ a
solution, we just need to find it.

The factors that hinder us from finding it are secrets, doubletalk,
misunderstandings, violence, rigid ideas, stress, and team spirit.
These problems come from the people who try to conserve a happiness which
one group of people think is the best possible happiness, and they try to
defend it against all the evil spirits outside their own group and its
habits and rules.

We have thousands of religions fighting each other to make the world
happier. And that is the main reason why the world is unhappy.

Good people with too rigid views are the sources of the evil they all
want to fight.

Fighting is not the best method to deal with this problem.
Honesty and clear language are the keys which can unlock the situation.
Unfortunately, many purists feel so threatened that they cannot afford to
speak in clear language about how they see the world.
The little happiness they have is dependent upon secrecy and upholding
the rules.
 
I can go one step further. If we stopped fighting an endless
war between purists and pragmatists about the purity that doesn't exists
we could maybe have a much cleaner and nicer newsgroup (world).
And the purists would be a lot happier without even having to fight for
it.

This is a very old problem in the history of mankind, and there _is_ a
solution, we just need to find it.

The factors that hinder us from finding it are secrets, doubletalk,
misunderstandings, violence, rigid ideas, stress, and team spirit.
These problems come from the people who try to conserve a happiness which
one group of people think is the best possible happiness, and they try to
defend it against all the evil spirits outside their own group and its
habits and rules.

We have thousands of religions fighting each other to make the world
happier. And that is the main reason why the world is unhappy.

Good people with too rigid views are the sources of the evil they all
want to fight.

Fighting is not the best method to deal with this problem.
Honesty and clear language are the keys which can unlock the situation.
Unfortunately, many purists feel so threatened that they cannot afford to
speak in clear language about how they see the world.
The little happiness they have is dependent upon secrecy and upholding
the rules.

<hands trembling>

That's a lot of notes but well worthwhile and well said.

I have a different take. When I first came here, I was immediately branded
a troll by Corliss and his et als. Why? Perky breasts?

Nope, having a little fun apparently is a crime to these same folks who are
as much interested in <useless> attempts at Usenet control and capture as
they are with discussing xwares.

When they can't hold onto their little world, they quit ala Corliss or they
bleat ala REM.

Life's too short...and so is my Hubby.

LOL
 
The person who asks a question does seldom know if the answer to
his question will be freeware or payware.

< snip >

If it is freeware then they are in the correct group. If not then they
need to go elsewhere.

Regards, John.
 
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