help with 2 trojan viruses

[Heather]

said he never has ZA on because it slows his Win98SE down. I just plain
don't believe that or buy it. I have used it for some 7 years. I had to
get a trojan off his computer as well.....but he just followed my
instructions and did it himself.<<<<<<<<<

I used to run zapro on win98se too but it became more trouble than its
(very limited) worth. I have to agree with him.

OK, young Jim.....we will agree to disagree. But it doesn't slow WinME down
(and don't say that, grin). I do have XP here, but love ME, so haven't put
it on yet.

Got a room to rent in England? Busy finding accommodations for our June
trip. Your country is really expensive compared to Canada!! Takes $2.50
Cdn. to buy one of your GBP.

Hasta la vista......Heather

 

[James Egan]

OK, young Jim.....we will agree to disagree. But it doesn't slow WinME down
(and don't say that, grin). I do have XP here, but love ME, so haven't put
it on yet.

The main reason I dumped it wasn't because it slowed everything down
but because it quite often was the culprit in failed network
connections. The only benefit I was getting was checking for
unexpected outgoing connections. There was nothing on the incoming
side to protect since file and printer sharing was the only service
running and that was unbound from the tcp/ip stack of the Internet
connection.

Got a room to rent in England? Busy finding accommodations for our June
trip. Your country is really expensive compared to Canada!! Takes $2.50
Cdn. to buy one of your GBP.

Sadly not. Check out property prices here and you'll see it's gotten
ridiculous. Too many conservation groups along with the nimby's and
planning restrictions have led to a large shortfall in supply over
demand for accommodation. Think yourself lucky that you're only on
holiday. You probably have larger dog kennels in Canada than some of
the apartments people have to live in over here.


Jim.

 

[Gabriele Neukam]

On that special day, Heather, ([email protected]) said...

I have yet another neighbour who is more computer literate....he also said
he never has ZA on because it slows his Win98SE down.

It probably would. I don't use it because I don't like it, in my eyes it
is just bsnake oil. A decent trojan will disable it even before
connecting to the internet; and ZA doesn't see anything trying to get
in, only programs that try to call the outer world.

Regulars of our German security groups tend to see it as a risk in its
own. "See, I am completely protected by this ZA, nothing can happen to
me. Oh, there is a new cd protection cracker on KaZaA, let's see how it
works" (clicketyclick)

They call it risk compensation - the more "protected" you are, the more
you display risky behaviour, because of feeling TOO safe. When ABS
became prevalent in cars, the number of accidents on German streets
didn't get lower, but increased because people forgot that even ABS
can't prevent you from being carried off the road when you are entering
a curve too fast.

I just plain don't
believe that or buy it. I have used it for some 7 years at all.

Seven years? I haven't heard about it in 1997. Are you sure?


Gabriele Neukam

(e-mail address removed)

 

[Bart Bailey]

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Sat, 1 May

On that special day, Heather, ([email protected]) said...


It probably would. I don't use it because I don't like it, in my eyes it
is just bsnake oil. A decent trojan will disable it even before
connecting to the internet; and ZA doesn't see anything trying to get
in, only programs that try to call the outer world.

They probably have misconfigured their installation of ZA.
My ZA sees all types of things trying to get in and out. Of course I'm
not going to run some prockill trojan and expect the target to survive,
then blame it when it doesn't for being defective.

Regulars of our German security groups tend to see it as a risk in its
own. "See, I am completely protected by this ZA, nothing can happen to
me. Oh, there is a new cd protection cracker on KaZaA, let's see how it
works" (clicketyclick)

Curing user stupidity isn't within the domain of ZA.

They call it risk compensation - the more "protected" you are, the more
you display risky behaviour, because of feeling TOO safe. When ABS
became prevalent in cars, the number of accidents on German streets
didn't get lower, but increased because people forgot that even ABS
can't prevent you from being carried off the road when you are entering
a curve too fast.

Again, stupidity on the part of the users (abusers) of an excellent
engineering concept, that has the potential to save lives.

Seven years? I haven't heard about it in 1997. Are you sure?

A bit of Zonelabs history:
http://xrl.us/byrp

 

[Heather]

In Message-ID:<[email protected]> posted on Sat, 1 May


They probably have misconfigured their installation of ZA.
My ZA sees all types of things trying to get in and out. Of course I'm
not going to run some prockill trojan and expect the target to survive,
then blame it when it doesn't for being defective.

I totally agree. I do have the alert turned off, but it identifies all
sorts of probes and pings every day. I don't bother logging them either.
Frankly, ZA has never, ever let me down......like Norton did, for instance.

A bit of Zonelabs history:
http://xrl.us/byrp

Thanks Bart......I thought my memory was failing (G). I knew I had used it
for at least 6, and can't remember the first version number. But I have had
it on this WinME for 3 years and I know I used it for a long time on Win95.

OK....checked my Downloads and the version I switched over to this computer
from my Win95 in Feb. 2001 was 2.1.25.

Cheers....Heather

 

[null]

On that special day, Heather, ([email protected]) said...


It probably would. I don't use it because I don't like it, in my eyes it
is just bsnake oil. A decent trojan will disable it even before
connecting to the internet; and ZA doesn't see anything trying to get
in, only programs that try to call the outer world.

That's not quite true. If users haven't closed all their ports
(disabled unwanted/unneeded services) a firewall can perform a
blocking service and afford "incoming" protection.

Whether or not a firewall is required depends on a number of factors.
My internet web page is designed to offer some help in this regard:

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg/internet.html

Users of Win 2K/XP have such a complex chore on their hands with
closing down unneeded/unwanted services that as a practical matter, a
firewall is recommended. Period.

Users of the Win 9X/ME series have far less work to do. It's fairly
easy (IMO) to take care of the unbindings, etc., and put yourself in a
position, as a single PC user (not on a LAN), to do without a
firewall.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[me]

On that special day, Heather, ([email protected]) said...


It probably would. I don't use it because I don't like it, in my eyes it
is just bsnake oil. A decent trojan will disable it even before
connecting to the internet; and ZA doesn't see anything trying to get
in, only programs that try to call the outer world.

Regulars of our German security groups tend to see it as a risk in its
own. "See, I am completely protected by this ZA, nothing can happen to
me. Oh, there is a new cd protection cracker on KaZaA, let's see how it
works" (clicketyclick)

They call it risk compensation - the more "protected" you are, the more
you display risky behaviour, because of feeling TOO safe. When ABS
became prevalent in cars, the number of accidents on German streets
didn't get lower, but increased because people forgot that even ABS
can't prevent you from being carried off the road when you are entering
a curve too fast.


Seven years? I haven't heard about it in 1997. Are you sure?

Gabriele Neukam

(e-mail address removed)

ZA "sees" both the in's and out's.

In re: "See, I am completely protected by this ZA, nothing can
happen to me. ..."

Replace the "ZA" by whatever the dimbulbs have on their boxes
and you'll get exactly same attitude here, too. Let's click!

J