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Discover Islam - The Fastest Growing Religion in the world
Did you read about Islam from it,s original sources
To know the answer pleas visit this site
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http://www.beconvinced.com/en/main.php
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Why are so many women converting to Islam
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[BillW50]

Discover Islam - The Fastest Growing Religion in the world
Did you read about Islam from it,s original sources
To know the answer pleas visit this site
http://www.sultan.org/
http://www.beconvinced.com/en/main.php
http://www.al-sunnah.com/
Why are so many women converting to Islam
http://geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html

Is that the same religion that wants to kill people? Sorry, I am a peace
loving man myself. Although I will kill those whom wants to waste me
away. Grrr!

 

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[Guest]

Ha, so Islam is getting so bad they have to resort to advertising to get
members, let alone the old lure of women going to it, typical

convert to Christian and have everlasting peace.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Is that the same religion that wants to kill people?

Is there any religion that doesn't want to kill "unbelievers?"


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[BillW50]

Is there any religion that doesn't want to kill "unbelievers?"

Yes there are.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Yes there are.

Name one or two, would you, please? They must be exceedingly obscure.


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[BillW50]

Name one or two, would you, please? They must be exceedingly obscure.

Yes they are. Take the Tibetans for example. They can't hurt a fly. And
I don't know a monk or a nun that is willing to kill either. Then there
are spiritualists that also won't kill anybody either. And I am
sometimes leaning that early gnostics were this way as well. Many claim
these were early Christians, but I disagree. As I haven't found any real
Christians before 327AD. Well not the so called Christians we know today
anyway. As they fit closer to gnostics anyway. And their Bible wasn't 66
books, but over 400 books. And Rome only kept 66 of them since 327AD.

 

[Hertz_Donut]

Name one or two, would you, please? They must be exceedingly obscure.

Quakers

Buddhists

Amish

There are others; many forms of Christianity and Islam have been perverted
by man to turn to killing...but neither teaches man to kill in and of
itself...

Honu

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Yes they are. Take the Tibetans for example. They can't hurt a fly. And
I don't know a monk or a nun that is willing to kill either. Then there
are spiritualists that also won't kill anybody either.

But, wqhat specific religion do these people subscribe to? Don't
suggest Buddhism, as that's not really a religion: it has no deities.

And I am
sometimes leaning that early gnostics were this way as well. Many claim
these were early Christians, but I disagree. As I haven't found any real
Christians before 327AD. Well not the so called Christians we know today
anyway. As they fit closer to gnostics anyway. And their Bible wasn't 66
books, but over 400 books. And Rome only kept 66 of them since 327AD.

"Christianity" has always been one of the most violent and intolerant
religions on the face of the planet. Try again.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Quakers

A Christian sect; just because some few Christians don't kill, that
doesn't clear the entire religion.

Buddhists

No a religion: no deities.

Amish

Another Christian sect; just because some few Christians don't kill,
that doesn't clear the entire religion.



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[Uncle Grumpy]

"Christianity" has always been one of the most violent and intolerant
religions on the face of the planet. Try again.

Cite.

Compare to Islam.

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

just because some few Christians don't kill, that
doesn't clear the entire religion.

Are you inferring that the majority of Christians are prone to
killing?

 

[norm]

Is there any religion that doesn't want to kill "unbelievers?"

For those of us who are part of the larger Christian community, killing
unbelievers is not a tenet of what we believe. And to follow up on later
comments made in this thread, the definitions of religion found in the
following link might be of interest concerning such comments:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
And lastly, to say that "Christianity has always been one of the most
violent and intolerant religions on the face of the planet" is most
certainly open to reasoned disagreement.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Cite.

Pick up nearly any history book. Ever hear of the Crusades? How about
the Spanish Inquisition? Or a little thing called the Holocaust?

For more edification:

http://www.evilbible.com/

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Compare to Islam.

A lightweight in comparison, but it is 700 years younger; perhaps it'll
catch up.

However, this is going far off-topic for this newsgroup, and I do
apologize for that. It was my fault for pointing out that Islam was no
worse than any other religion.

I apologize to the group, and am dropping the thread.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Are you inferring that the majority of Christians are prone to
killing?

Not necessarily, but those that aren't directly prone to it are more
than willing to stand aside and let their more fanatical brethren have
their way. Witness Hitler and the Holocaust. Hitler claimed to be
doing "God's Work," while the Church didn't even raise a mild objection.

However, this is going far off-topic for this newsgroup, and I do
apologize for that. It was my fault for pointing out that Islam was no
worse than any other religion.

I apologize to the group, and am dropping the thread.


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[Bruce Chambers]

For those of us who are part of the larger Christian community, killing
unbelievers is not a tenet of what we believe.

Really? Even when it's the course your Bible demands. What happened
to the Midians? Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace
on earth! No, rather a sword." Matthew 10:34

And to follow up on later
comments made in this thread, the definitions of religion found in the
following link might be of interest concerning such comments:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

Point taken. Perhaps it's the lack of a deity that keeps Buddhists
relatively harmless. Individual Buddhists have killed, but violence has
never been a matter of policy and

And lastly, to say that "Christianity has always been one of the most
violent and intolerant religions on the face of the planet" is most
certainly open to reasoned disagreement.

Not to anyone who's made even a superficial study of history. Oh,
there are other religions that have committed what we'd consider
atrocities, but none have reach the scope and impact of Christianity.

However, this is going far off-topic for this newsgroup, and I do
apologize for that. It was my fault for pointing out that Islam was no
worse than any other religion.

I apologize to the group, and am dropping the thread.


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[Uncle Grumpy]

Not necessarily, but those that aren't directly prone to it are more
than willing to stand aside and let their more fanatical brethren have
their way.

You're a ****ing moron. Stick to what you actually know or suffer the
consequences of being shown for what you are.

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

I apologize to the group, and am dropping the thread.

Right. Run while your exposed ass is still relatively intact.

 

[norm]

Really? Even when it's the course your Bible demands. What
happened to the Midians? Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to
bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword." Matthew 10:34

Yes, really. The Bible I know and believe in demands no such course.
Unfortunately, throughout history, there have been those that have used
interpretations of isolated parts of scripture for pursuing ends not
resembling what the scripture means in totality. This is really no
different than what can be seen in any facet of the human behavior.

Point taken. Perhaps it's the lack of a deity that keeps Buddhists
relatively harmless. Individual Buddhists have killed, but violence has
never been a matter of policy and



Not to anyone who's made even a superficial study of history. Oh,
there are other religions that have committed what we'd consider
atrocities, but none have reach the scope and impact of Christianity.

I don't disagree that history has recorded terrible things done in the
name of religion. But there also have been equally terrible things done
where religion isn't the driving force.

However, this is going far off-topic for this newsgroup, and I do
apologize for that. It was my fault for pointing out that Islam was no
worse than any other religion.

You could have made that point without making the comments that were made.

I apologize to the group, and am dropping the thread.

Personally, I see no need for an apology. Reasonable people can disagree
without starting a religious war. I'd be happy to chalk up this whole
thread to the dangers about talking religion and/or politics where it
does not fit real well.