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Folkert Rienstra
modiftek said:
Yet that is what you do here each and every time, without fail.
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Yet that is what you do here each and every time, without fail.
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Eric Gisin
I assume the OP is not a blithering idiot and did check the floppy.
In that case, my advice is correct, yours is not. The MBR and NT boot sector
were loaded, so the hardware is OK.
Here is your post I was replying to, which you conveniently forget to
include:
"There is a very simple way to find out for yourself.
Place a non-bootable floppy in your drive after setting your PC to boot
first from floppy and tell me what you see. Why else are they going to
tell you that you must press CTRL+ALT+DEL. That command reboots the
system, right? And why would they want you to reboot?
Obviously the PC is not finding the boot device which might very well
be that a floppy is in the drive or the hard drive needs
reconfiguration or it crashed."
In that case, my advice is correct, yours is not. The MBR and NT boot sector
were loaded, so the hardware is OK.
[drivel snipped]modiftek said:Eric Gisin:
Look, I don't come on here just because I want to make myself foolish
or dispute what methods other people apply in solving their computer
problems. If you know this industry well you will recognize that there
is no one method used in solving problems relating to computer hardware
/ software issues, and that I learned from studying / fixing computer
for over a decade and a half.
Here is your post I was replying to, which you conveniently forget to
include:
"There is a very simple way to find out for yourself.
Place a non-bootable floppy in your drive after setting your PC to boot
first from floppy and tell me what you see. Why else are they going to
tell you that you must press CTRL+ALT+DEL. That command reboots the
system, right? And why would they want you to reboot?
Obviously the PC is not finding the boot device which might very well
be that a floppy is in the drive or the hard drive needs
reconfiguration or it crashed."
K
Kinell
I assume the OP is not a blithering idiot...
Reasonable, no evidence thus far.
...and did check the floppy.
An assumption that could make one look bloody stupid later. Even an
expert such as yourself could make such a simple mistake, so why not
check out the bleedin' obvious possibilities early?
R
Rod Speed
An assumption that could make one look bloody stupid later.
Even an expert such as yourself could make such a simple mistake,
so why not check out the bleedin' obvious possibilities early?
Because its very unlikely indeed that that is the problem
WITH THAT PARTICULAR ERROR MESSAGE.
K
Kinell
Because its very unlikely indeed that that is the problem
WITH THAT PARTICULAR ERROR MESSAGE.
Can't be that unlikely: I've seen it a couple of times, as have a
few others apparently e.g.:
http://computer-vet.com/weblog/2004/11/08/ntldr_is_missing.html
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm
http://www.tinyempire.com/shortnotes/files/ntldr_missing.htm
http://www.anetforums.com/posts.aspx?ThreadIndex=10606
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6287-0.html?forumID=47&threadID=
173998
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-593072.php
and so on...
Same old clueless RodShit.
R
Rod Speed
Can't be that unlikely:
Corse it is. You have to have a floppy in the drive accidentally
and it has to be a damaged 2K emergency floppy with no
NTLDR on it. That isnt likely to be seen at all, way down
the list after some stuffup with the hard drive.
I've seen it a couple of times, as have a few others apparently e.g.:
http://computer-vet.com/weblog/2004/11/08/ntldr_is_missing.html
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm
http://www.tinyempire.com/shortnotes/files/ntldr_missing.htm
http://www.anetforums.com/posts.aspx?ThreadIndex=10606
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6287-0.html?forumID=47&threadID=
173998
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-593072.php
and so on...
What matters is HOW OFTEN THAT IS DUE TO
A FLOPPY IN THE FLOPPY DRIVE, ****WIT.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you've never ever had a ****ing clue.
P
Peter
Can't be that unlikely: I've seen it a couple of times, as have a
I'm sure you are wrong.
OP reported that he has seen:
"NTLDR missing - press
CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue"
Leaving floppy would produce:
"NTLDR is missing
Press any key to restart"
There were rare situations where OP's message was
observed (with 'is' added):
http://extremetechsupport.org/forum/showthread.phtml?t=71991
Boot partition lost an "active" flag?
few others apparently e.g.:
http://computer-vet.com/weblog/2004/11/08/ntldr_is_missing.html
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm
http://www.tinyempire.com/shortnotes/files/ntldr_missing.htm
http://www.anetforums.com/posts.aspx?ThreadIndex=10606
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6287-0.html?forumID=47&threadID=
173998
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-593072.php
and so on...
Same old clueless RodShit.
I'm sure you are wrong.
OP reported that he has seen:
"NTLDR missing - press
CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue"
Leaving floppy would produce:
"NTLDR is missing
Press any key to restart"
There were rare situations where OP's message was
observed (with 'is' added):
http://extremetechsupport.org/forum/showthread.phtml?t=71991
Boot partition lost an "active" flag?
E
Eric Gisin
Nope, the FAT boot sector on floppies does NOT say "ctrl-alt-del to reboot",Kinell said:Can't be that unlikely: I've seen it a couple of times, as have a
few others apparently e.g.:
it is "press any key to reboot".
K
Kinell
Nope, the FAT boot sector on floppies does NOT say "ctrl-alt-del
to reboot", it is "press any key to reboot".
Accepted. But I'd still want to check the bleedin' obvious, in case
the blithering idiot factor applied e.g. misreporting symptoms.
K
Kinell
IMO, and that of many others, checking for a floppy in the drive isCorse it is. You have to have a floppy in the drive accidentally
and it has to be a damaged 2K emergency floppy with no
NTLDR on it. That isnt likely to be seen at all, way down
the list after some stuffup with the hard drive.
a reasonable suggestion in these circumstances.
Z
Zvi Netiv
modiftek said:It is a very bad thing when some of you on here argue and portray
yourselves as the sole authority on issues, especially as in your case,
Nothing of the sort.
attempting to critique what others say when Microsoft itself says that
the NTLDR message does occur for reasons both that site and I
explained.
Please get your facts straight before posting such nonsense. The site you
quoted isn't Microsoft's, and FWIW, Microsoft says exactly the same as did Eric,
Rod, and myself, about the possible causes of the "NTLDR missing" message.
Read
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;318728&Product=win2000
and see for yourself.
[snip]
Since joining this discussion I have recreated the NTLDR error message
at will and in exactly the way Microsoft says it can occur. [...]
The Microsoft page doesn't mention the floppy nonsense, and you didn't recreate
the condition as you claim. If you wished to convince the readers on that then
you may have provided a detailed protocol to let them try for themselves.
Regards, Zvi
Z
Zvi Netiv
Kinell said:IMO, and that of many others, checking for a floppy in the drive is
a reasonable suggestion in these circumstances.
No, it isn't a reasonable suggestion! Reasonable people do not check for
unlikely causes to the problem at hand.
Regards
R
Rod Speed
IMO, and that of many others, checking for a floppy in the
drive is a reasonable suggestion in these circumstances.
Yes, there are indeed a number so ignorant of the basics that
they mindlessly do check for a floppy in the floppy drive when that
particular error message is seen, BUT THAT IS NEVER EVER THE
REASON FOR THE ERROR MESSAGE, BECAUSE NO FLOPPY
CAN EVER PRODUCE THAT PARTICULAR ERROR MESSAGE.
Anyone with a clue realises that THAT PARTICULAR ERROR
MESSAGE cannot EVER be produced by a floppy in the drive.
It can only be produced by some problem with the hard drive,
either the ntldr file has been deleted, or the drive type entry
is wrong so the contents of the hard drive cannot be read
properly anymore, or the drive has partially died so that the
MBR can still be read but the ntldr file cannot be read anymore.
Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, again.
R
Rod Speed
Accepted. But I'd still want to check the bleedin' obvious, in case
the blithering idiot factor applied e.g. misreporting symptoms.
Very unlikely indeed that the user could actually invent such a
specific error message, pluck it out of the air. And it makes a
lot more sense to ask the user if they are completely sure that
the error message does mention NTLDR and CTRL-ALT-DEL
M
modiftek
This bloke calling himself Rod Speed is a total idiot and continues to
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
M
modiftek
This bloke calling himself Rod Speed is a total idiot and continues to
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
R
Rod Speed
This bloke calling himself Rod Speed is a total idiot and continues
to make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names
Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?
just because there are a few foolish people on here who want to be
his lackeys and repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, arsehole.
Jackass, read the link that I included here
No point, it doesnt say anything like you made
such a spectacular fool of yourself proclaiming.
and tell me if those people who designed
/ made the software are idiots also.
Just you and that other clown.
Read carefully the part that says "press any key to restart" and
tell me how that is different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL"
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work
out the difference, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
Hint: One says to press ANY key, the other says to press
a very SPECIFIC SET OF KEYS IN COMBINATION.
Pricks like you who think that you know it all and you are
the authority on everyone's experiences are just full of shit.
Some of us actually have a clue and can manage to work
out the difference between "press any key to restart" and
'pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL"'
Too much for fools like you tho.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is;
All you've ever managed to 'offer' is pig ignorant drivel and
desperate attempts to bullshit your way out of your predicament that
clearly aint fooling anyone except that other gutless pig ignorant clown.
the NTLDR message you see has different variants
No news to us, clown.
and it is absolutely foolish to doubt what
someone says he sees in from of him.
No one except that other gutless clown is doing that.
The NTLDR message that a person sees depends on the version of Windows,
SPs, type of upgrades, dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
Not on that "press any key to restart" and 'pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL"' it doesnt.
Keep desperately digging, child. You'll be out in china any day now.
Useless on your stupid pig ignorant claims.
M
modiftek
Nope, the FAT boot sector on floppies does NOT say "ctrl-alt-del to
reboot",
it is "press any key to reboot".
Why all the semantics coming from the "experts" on here? "Pressing any
key to reboot" and CTRL+ALT+DEL does the exact same thing, restart the
computer. The instruction varies from version to version and things
like upgrade / updates and SPs has a lot to do with it.
reboot",
it is "press any key to reboot".
Why all the semantics coming from the "experts" on here? "Pressing any
key to reboot" and CTRL+ALT+DEL does the exact same thing, restart the
computer. The instruction varies from version to version and things
like upgrade / updates and SPs has a lot to do with it.
R
Rod Speed
Repeating that mindless pig ignorant spew
doesnt make it gospel any time soon, gutless.
This bloke calling himself Rod Speed is a total idiot and continues to
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
doesnt make it gospel any time soon, gutless.
This bloke calling himself Rod Speed is a total idiot and continues to
make himself a bloody jackass by calling people names just because
there are a few foolish people on here who want to be his lackeys and
repeat every word he says as though they are parrots.
Jackass, read the link that I included here and tell me if those people
who designed / made the software are idiots also. Read carefully the
part that says "press any key to restart" and tell me how that is
different from pressing "CTRL+ALT+DEL" Pricks like you who think that
you know it all and you are the authority on everyone's experiences are
just full of shit.
The last bit of education I offer here for free is; the NTLDR message
you see has different variants and it is absolutely foolish to doubt
what someone says he sees in from of him. The NTLDR message that a
person sees depends on the version of Windows, SPs, type of upgrades,
dual-boot / more than one hard drive etc., etc.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;555304#kb2
F
Folkert Rienstra
Eric Gisin said:Nonsense. It IS booting from the disk.
The "press CTRL+ALT+DEL" text only exists in the Win 2K/XP boot sector.
In the *NTFS* Win 2K/XP boot sector, apparently.
Either ntldr is missing, or the volume is corrupt.
Or bios set incorrectly.