Greenbrowser 1.8 (build 1101) upgrade

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So it has now gone from being nag to nagless shareware.

Whoop, that's an improvement -- *for those who use shareware.*

Oh for chrissake...
For my web browsers/s, I only want decent freeware.
*snip*

So in other words, you know that the current version does not
produce that popups, and thus will not try it lest you lose the
ability to bitch and moan about old versions.

Gotcha.
I screwed up with the MIDs, too many windows open, plus
distractions around the house at the time. I was not trying to
inconvenience.

The intended MID was <[email protected]>
Which points to a message you should have already seen, in this
thread.

Yes, you're right, I did.
: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1051151004
:
: GreenBrowser 1.80 Build 1101
: User Rating: 4.5/5
: Author: MoreQuick
: Program Type: Shareware

So Fileforum lists it as shareware, the software's own site lists it
as freeware, at least two posters in this thread have reported that
it does not pop up a registration window on startup. A site saying
it's shareware is NOT confirmation.

*snip*
Your post was a mess of vagueness; and things like the random
"that" above, a disaster.

What you said: "He took opens source (Changyou's MyIE 3.2); made
trivial modifications to that (such as UPX'ing the exe, d'oh);
mis-presents it as freeware; and it is shareware."

My reply: "As far as I can tell, that's an unsubstantiated
claim..."

There's nothing vague abotu what "that" refers to. "That" obviously
refers to your entire claim. The fact that you can't accept that, and
need to play semantics, clearly shows what your intent is in this
thread.
Someone reading that kind of thing can only do so much, after
which, when it's from a "I feel no need to be specific" character,
it is hopeless.

What's hopeless is you bitching and moaning about an old version of a
program, and using past behavior as an example of current status of
the software.
You failed to "what claims" clear, again. The only thing you have
brought forth is that v1.8 does not have the nag screen that was
in v1.1.

As to "If you can read," that kind of style of yours makes me
suspect I am dealing with an adolescent/sub-adolescent mentality.
In which case, really, don't count me into your game.

This coming from the person who is using the (alleged, unconfirmed)
behavior of a version of software from six months ago to define the
current status of a piece of software. You have no room to criticize
others' "adolescent/sub-adolescent mentality," as you've clearly shown
by your participating in this thread.
 
When I used the word "readme," I was being inexact. No file
distributed with name "readme.xxx." Instead:
"GreenBrowserHelp.htm."

: How to register GreenBroser?
: 1.Go to HomePage: http://www.websamba.com/morequick,
: then click
: register link.
: 2.Click here, you can register GreenBrowser at
: regsoft.com, it's
: safe and easy.

I think you are looking at an earlier version of GreenBrowser.
It currently looks like this, from 1.8:

"4. How to register GreenBrowser?
1.Click here, you can register GreenBrowser at regsoft.com, it's
safe and easy.
2.If you are in china, Click here, you can register GreenBrowser
at softreg.com.cn.
3.Go to home page: http://www.MoreQuick.com/, then click
register link.
More Quick Tools: (e-mail address removed) 2003"

Which from me is not a comment on its payware/freware status.
 
dkg_ctc said:
This coming from the person who is using the (alleged, unconfirmed)
behavior of a version of software from six months ago

"Alleged, unconfirmed" behavior, with the pop-up windows?

In other words:

You want to suggest that I would _lie_ about the nag screen.

It's clear now that you are trolling me throughout this thread. (Lacking
any better way to spend your Sunday afternoon.) Why not take it into a flame
group, with others that want to play your game? Call them liars, get your
thrills there. My bag of trollchow for you has been shelved.
 
I've been using Greenbrowser for a few months. I've never
seen a nag screen.

There is definitevely a big & loud nag screen on the one I have,
v1.1, 2003.05.29. Demanding registration. If that's not proof of
shareware status, nothing is...[/QUOTE]

Seeing as how it's now up to 1.8, the characteristics of version 1.1
are pretty old history.

As far as I can tell, the current version doesn't have a nag screen.
 
It's clear now that you are trolling me throughout this thread. (Lacking
any better way to spend your Sunday afternoon.) Why not take it into a flame
group, with others that want to play your game? Call them liars, get your
thrills there. My bag of trollchow for you has been shelved.

Is there not a basic issue here - you are talking about v 1.1 -
everyone else is talking about version 1.8 ?
 
"Alleged, unconfirmed" behavior, with the pop-up windows?

In other words:

You want to suggest that I would _lie_ about the nag screen.

No, I'm suggesting that the behavior you claim is unconfirmed.
Perhaps you're confusing two separate products...perhaps you tried a
keygen/serial and GreenBrowser recognized it as such and proceeded
to tell you to register. I don't know, maybe you are lying. All I
know is that I can't find any reference to this behavior you allege,
and the current versions certainly don't act this way. Another
example of your unsubstantiated claims is the fact that you talked
about how the author of GreenBrowser "brags" that his EXE is smaller
than any other browser, but when asked to provide a reference to
this statement, you fail to. So while I'm not saying you're lying,
I am saying that you're reluctant to back up your claims.
It's clear now that you are trolling me throughout this thread.

You asked a question, got the answer, weren't satisfied witht he
answer and proceeded to rant. You make unsubstantiated claims based
on old versions, use those unsubstantiated claims to label the
current version as something other than freeware, and *I'M* the one
who's trolling? No, I think it's obvious whose trolling in this
thread, and it's definitely not me.
(Lacking any better way to spend your Sunday afternoon.)

Hmm...you accuse me of trolling you, then insult me by saying I have
no better way to spend my Sunday afternoon...the fact that you're
replying, though, shows that you're not much better off, doesn't it?
Why not take it into a flame group, with others that want to play
your game?

It'd be a lot easier to take you seriously if you hadn't been
throwing around insults like "I am dealing with an
adolescent/sub-adolescent mentality".
Call them liars,

I haven't called anyone a liar. The fact that you take my statement
that your claims haven't been substantiated to mean that you're a
liar seems to reflect more on your character than mine.
get your thrills there. My bag of trollchow for you has been
shelved.

So in other words, you aren't going to susbstantiate your claims, nor
are you going to base your claims upon a current version.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Is there not a basic issue here - you are talking about v 1.1 -
everyone else is talking about version 1.8 ?

As far as I can tell, his argument is that because 1.1 (allegedly) had
a nag screen, 1.8 is shareware whether it has a nag screen or not. It
doesn't make sense to me that he's judging current status of an
application by past behavior, but oh well...
 
Alastair Smeaton said:
Is there not a basic issue here - you are talking about v 1.1 -
everyone else is talking about version 1.8 ?

That would be a basic issue, yes, were this a discussion that involved normal
adults, with normal motives, interested in the actual answer.

[1]

The poster dkg_ctc is not a normal adult in this, and his motives are ill.
He is in this only to launch insult and have a flame war. Flame tricks such
as pulling a short sentence off of its paragraph to deliberately reconstruct
a new meaning ("you think you should get free tech upport"). And Ad hominem
extremes, where he abandons even the least pretense in seeking the answer to
the subject, but instead:

1. calls me a liar ("alleged, unsubstantiated" report)
2. calls me a thief ("must have used a keygen")

A liar and a thief? The reason I told him this is the stuff of flame groups.
Over there, he could call me a liar, a thief, and a child molester, too.
Over there, he could draw out wild insults like that for 500 posts, spanning
months, to his little heart's content.

For my part, I feel required to seek some amount self-discipline with regard
to letting dkg_ctc draw me any further into his flame spree. Failure of
that self-discipline would make me a _full-blown_ hypocrite. Seeing how I
complained most recently that ACF suffered already too many flame outbreaks
within its threads.

[2]
Is there not a basic issue here - you are talking about v 1.1 -
everyone else is talking about version 1.8 ?

That would be a basic issue, yes, were this a discussion that involved normal
adults, with normal motives, interested in the actual answer.

Normal motives for the issue would mean considering things like this.

1. Previous versions had been obvious shareware.
2. There was a registration nag on startup in versions 1.x (1.1 known).
3. The nag was removed by version 1.y (1.8 known).
4. When a software has changed its license status, it is normally clear.
"This version is freeware." "You may evaluate, but please register."
"XXX is now freeware." Such statements are absent with Greenbrowser.
5. Webattack lists Greenbrowser 1.8 in its freeware section.
6. Both Fileforum and Majorgeeks state the license of 1.8 as shareware.
7. The language on the author's page, for the registration-nag versions:
"Free to download and use...but please register for free updates."
8. The language by the author, for the nagless v1.8:
"Free to download and use...but please register for free updates."

Pursuit on the matter? Frankly, my interest is not really in it. I have a
number of good browsers, which are all freeware, whose authors made no
deceptive statements at any point in time.

Further, if befalls me to avoid letting dkg_ctc troll me further in this
thread. Of course he may well follow me into another, and there again call
me a liar and a thief (+child molester +nazi +etc == pending).
 
Is there a page there that shows FileForums definitions of
different wares?

I don't think so. I believe that "type" descriptions are supplied by the
author of the software (or the submitter of the info).

They are very good at correcting mis-described software. I've emailed
them a few times and they have been very quick to correct pages.

Regards
Gordon
 
That would be a basic issue, yes, were this a discussion that involved normal
adults, with normal motives, interested in the actual answer.

Guess I count myself as one of the above - hence asking the question
of the person who was saying it was nagware, based on an older
version's performance.

Was just looking for clarity :-) A rare beast in this group these days
:-)

cheers
 
*snip*
[1]

The poster dkg_ctc is not a normal adult in this, and his motives
are ill. He is in this only to launch insult and have a flame war.

Oh, give me a break...I think it's obvious who started the
insults--and it wasn't me.
Flame tricks such as pulling a short sentence off of its paragraph
to deliberately reconstruct a new meaning ("you think you should
get free tech upport").

lol...you accuse me of being vague, and then when I point out the
specifics of what you're saying I'm wrong again. Figures...
And Ad hominem extremes, where he abandons even the least pretense
in seeking the answer to the subject,

"The answer to the subject" is that no, it's not payware any more,
and no, it does not pop up nag screens any more. I answered those
questions numerous times; you chose to ignore them. That's fine.
but instead:

1. calls me a liar ("alleged, unsubstantiated"
report)

No, I did not call you a liar. Saying that a claim is
unsubstantiated is not saying that someone is a liar.
2. calls me a thief ("must have used a keygen")


I did NOT say that...you complain about me taking sentences out of
the context of the paragraph, and then you turn around and quote me
as something I didn't even say. What I said was:

"Perhaps you're confusing two separate products...perhaps you tried
a keygen/serial and GreenBrowser recognized it as such and proceeded
to tell you to register. I don't know, maybe you are lying."

I simply mentioned the possibility that you had done something out
of the ordinary to get the results that you got. That's all.
However, your quoting me as saying something I didn't say definitely
speaks volumes about who is the troll here. (Not to mention "My bag
of trollchow for you has been shelved," and then you continue to
malign me, lie about my actions, lie about my words, and lie about
me in general.)
A liar and a thief?

You're putting words that I never said, used, or implied into my
mouth.
The reason I told him this is the stuff of flame groups.

No, the reason you told me this is because your argument couldn't
stand up to logic.
Over there, he could call me a liar, a thief, and a child
molester, too. Over there, he could draw out wild insults like
that for 500 posts, spanning months, to his little heart's
content.

Oh, sure, now you suggest that I would call you a "child
molester"...yes, it's obvious who the troll is.
For my part, I feel required to seek some amount self-discipline
with regard to letting dkg_ctc draw me any further into his flame
spree.

And you prove it with this long, drawn-out malignment of me. How
noble of you.
Failure of that self-discipline would make me a _full-blown_
hypocrite.

You already are. See above.
Seeing how I complained most recently that ACF suffered
already too many flame outbreaks within its threads.

[2]
Is there not a basic issue here - you are talking about v 1.1 -
everyone else is talking about version 1.8 ?

That would be a basic issue, yes, were this a discussion that
involved normal adults, with normal motives, interested in the
actual answer.

No, it's a simple yes or no, and the answer is yes. You are talking
about version 1.1, and the current version is 1.8. The current
version doesn't display any of the behavior you claim. It's as
simple as that.
Normal motives for the issue would mean considering things like
this.

1. Previous versions had been obvious shareware.

I don't see any confirmation of this.
2. There was a registration nag on startup in versions 1.x (1.1
known).

And there's not now, so what?
3. The nag was removed by version 1.y (1.8 known).

Ok, it no longer displays a nag, and is no longer payware (which is
what you asked). Thanks for finally admitting that.
4. When a software has changed its license status, it is normally
clear.
"This version is freeware." "You may evaluate, but please
register." "XXX is now freeware." Such statements are absent
with Greenbrowser.

Because they were apparently never necessary in the first place.
5. Webattack lists Greenbrowser 1.8 in its freeware section.
6. Both Fileforum and Majorgeeks state the license of 1.8 as
shareware.

And? There are other sites which list it as freeware too. Would
you like examples?
7. The language on the author's page, for the registration-nag
versions:
"Free to download and use...but please register for free
updates."
8. The language by the author, for the nagless v1.8:
"Free to download and use...but please register for free
updates."

Now let's quote the whole statement...surely you wouldn't want to be
guilty of misusing context like you accused me of, would you?

"Our software is free to download and use. If you think it is good and
want to support our work! It's welcome for you to donate. After that,
we will provide best support and version free update for you!"

Hmm..."free to download and use"..."donate"...I guess I don't see any
vagueness there.
Pursuit on the matter? Frankly, my interest is not really in it.

I see...so you've been spending all this time arguing something that
your interest isn't really in? Isn't that the behavior of a troll?
I have a number of good browsers, which are all freeware, whose
authors made no deceptive statements at any point in time.

And it's only according to you that the authors of GreenBrowser have
made deceptive statements. (Notice how no one is backing up your
claims?)
Further, if befalls me to avoid letting dkg_ctc troll me further
in this thread. Of course he may well follow me into another, and
there again call me a liar and a thief (+child molester +nazi +etc
== pending).

Ad hominem attacks? And here I thought you said you didn't want to be
a hypocrite, yet you accused me of being a hypocrite. Oh well, I
guess I shouldn't be surprised...at this point, you yourself have done
every single thing that you accuse me of doing.

Yes, I think that at this point it's clear who the troll really is--
and it ain't me.
 
omega said:
There is definitevely a big & loud nag screen on the one I have, v1.1,
2003.05.29. Demanding registration. If that's not proof of shareware
status, nothing is...

There's never been a nag screen on the versions I've used.
I haven't been using it since v1.1, though. 1.5 is the
earliest version I have saved.
Sure. You can zip up a 100k text file, and it becomes 10k, now
smaller. And you can (though you should not want to) use an "exe
compressor" on
a PE file and make it smaller.

[snipped your compression dissertation]
Greenbrowser, he's used ASPack. With the uncompressor I tried with it,
the output shows as going from: 378k to 1,078k.

Only with the uncompressed sizes can you compare. Otherwise you're
just evaluating the compressor, irrelevant to how tight the program
code is. Any programmer compressing his exe already knows that. Makes
it then very sneaky for the Greenbrowser guy to have advertised how
much smaller his ASPack'd executable was compared to those that had
not been ASPack'd.

Perhaps we're seeing a language translation problem.
Chinese to English (or vice versa) can be difficult.
ChangYou's release of MyIE source really gave way to a whole
generation of offspring. Fortunately most all of those children,
within my purview, are freeware. Exception is GreenBrowser...

That's my complaint. The wording is so deceptive, that it leads one to
think that. Minute you've downloaded and opend the readme, you have
the word Register hollering at you. He's just trying to gain wide
distribution at the moment, it seems to me, his motive for trying to
make it appear as freeware.

That may be true, but for the moment it seems to me to be
freeware. If later versions become crippled or unavailable I
suppose I'll move to something else.
It's current incarnation works quite well, though and
certainly meets my definition of freeware (less strict than
some, more strict than others).
 
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